2024 NBA Season

[ultrloa]

Sharing a good long read.
NBA free agency 2022: What we learned during wild first weekend, from Kevin Durant's journey to Lakers' dreams

It's like the Brooklyn Nets just made an experiment but it failed. So what's next? A question that had been itching for many Brooklyn fans.
Durant wants a trade and I think Kyrie want the same.
They will be left with nothing if it happens or a roster with roleplayers unable to create chemistry or they could just stick with the plan and try the experiment one more time just to see where it will go.

Feel sad for the Brooklyn Nets that what they gambled during the time they signed Irving and following Durant failed. It's a lesson now that even if a team signed great superstars, it won't be an assurance that they will be close now to having the Larry O' Brien trophy.

After the failed experiment and the Nets did their best to improve their roster for several seasons, looks like they will go back again to their usual where no aggressiveness to sign a big name won't be a priority.

Not unless they want to gamble again, then it's their decision.

They pay so high just to sign this guys but they didn't get good results in return and now they are pain in their asses because they can't take action on this current free agency because they have this two stars giving them huge head ache to their organization. Maybe its good for them if they find good trades with this guys and rebuild with their rooster because maybe for that they can get good results to their team.

Worst season of the Nets, they were eliminated by the Celtics in the first round at 4-0 score, no management would love that, of course they will think of moving some players because there's no reason for them to play together as they are not effective.

If I am the owner I will trade those people who will give toxicity on their team because it will not create good chemistry if they hold those guys, their talents will not bring anywhere since they are not providing quality performance which can make their team improve. For sure we can see a new Nets next season and for sure they are hoping that they will not get any problem with Simmons since we also know that he also have bad attitude.

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[jakelyson]

If I am the owner I will trade those people who will give toxicity on their team because it will not create good chemistry if they hold those guys, their talents will not bring anywhere since they are not providing quality performance which can make their team improve. For sure we can see a new Nets next season and for sure they are hoping that they will not get any problem with Simmons since we also know that he also have bad attitude.

The owner already said they do not care about them anymore. Talents can get them so far, without dedication and team spirit, they would never take them to the next level. This is a perfect example of recruiting superstars is not a sure way of getting to the next level. It is still best to develop your own stars. It is longer a path but in my opinion, it is most rewarding.

[btc_angela]

Sharing a good long read.
NBA free agency 2022: What we learned during wild first weekend, from Kevin Durant's journey to Lakers' dreams

It's like the Brooklyn Nets just made an experiment but it failed. So what's next? A question that had been itching for many Brooklyn fans.
Durant wants a trade and I think Kyrie want the same.
They will be left with nothing if it happens or a roster with roleplayers unable to create chemistry or they could just stick with the plan and try the experiment one more time just to see where it will go.

Feel sad for the Brooklyn Nets that what they gambled during the time they signed Irving and following Durant failed. It's a lesson now that even if a team signed great superstars, it won't be an assurance that they will be close now to having the Larry O' Brien trophy.

After the failed experiment and the Nets did their best to improve their roster for several seasons, looks like they will go back again to their usual where no aggressiveness to sign a big name won't be a priority.

Not unless they want to gamble again, then it's their decision.

So true, it's a gamble that they are willing to take like 2 years ago, but now we have the answer, it was a total disaster, not just a failure.

Durant and Irving can't seems to find the perfect fit, then they added Harden. And they also have a good coach, a former player. But everything didn't go well as plan and now they don't have the leverage because they have given it away just to acquire Durant and Irving.

[Dart18]

If I am the owner I will trade those people who will give toxicity on their team because it will not create good chemistry if they hold those guys, their talents will not bring anywhere since they are not providing quality performance which can make their team improve. For sure we can see a new Nets next season and for sure they are hoping that they will not get any problem with Simmons since we also know that he also have bad attitude.

The owner already said they do not care about them anymore. Talents can get them so far, without dedication and team spirit, they would never take them to the next level. This is a perfect example of recruiting superstars is not a sure way of getting to the next level. It is still best to develop your own stars. It is longer a path but in my opinion, it is most rewarding.

Right. Golden State Warriors as a good example of it. San Antonio Spurs too with the trio and the discovery of Kawhi Leonard.
It's not about putting a team filled with stars, it's about the chemistry they will create to be a successful and strong team.
The Warriors had been putting bench players in the spotlight and they became stars. Next will be Kuminga who is showing a great future.
Brooklyn Nets needs a rebuild as that kind of team will never work out. One leader should be enough then roleplayers who will reflect how good their leader is by showing greatness.

[carlisle1]

the Warriors might get Durant again (guess only) and they have a good trade package to get Durant with Poole, Wiggins and Wiseman so they an get it if both parties will agree. The future of the Nets now is still unknown but we might see a picture of what they will be doing next season if Kyrie and Durant will be traded and which players will get in exchange for both of them.

Nets need to play the cards well. With those two superstars, they can create a good roster. Might be difficult to blend the chemistry

but the chance of having good stars in replacement can be a good sign that they will stay and play up to another playoff, just speculation

though, and the chance of picking the best fit for their tradable stars will depend on how the management sells their valuable asset.

Only time can reveal what's next for this team after that 2 season experiment.

[Yaunfitda]

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It's like the Brooklyn Nets just made an experiment but it failed. So what's next? A question that had been itching for many Brooklyn fans.
Durant wants a trade and I think Kyrie want the same.
They will be left with nothing if it happens or a roster with roleplayers unable to create chemistry or they could just stick with the plan and try the experiment one more time just to see where it will go.

It really is a failed experiment by the Brooklyn Nets but with their superstars, they might get a good trade package for those 2 especially Durant.
Kyrie wants to be in the Lakers and Lebron wanted it as well but the question is who will the Lakers trade just to get him. Durant now want's to go to either Phoenix or Miami but that would be hard because I don't know who will either Phoenix or Miami want to trade just to get Durant.

I just don't know but if Kyrie will go to Lakers, the Warriors might get Durant again (guess only) and they have a good trade package to get Durant with Poole, Wiggins and Wiseman so they an get it if both parties will agree. The future of the Nets now is still unknown but we might see a picture of what they will be doing next season if Kyrie and Durant will be traded and which players will get in exchange for both of them.

Gonna be huge for the Warriors if they will able to get Durant back. But we all know things have been said after Durant left, so might not be a good idea for the Warriors to get him back again that will cost a lot. But who knows, as we have seen in the last decade or so, there are no longer loyalties in the NBA. Organizations too, if they think it will be good for them, then definitely they can break the winning formula so we will see. I'm still on the fence though.

[Reid]

Gonna be huge for the Warriors if they will able to get Durant back. But we all know things have been said after Durant left, so might not be a good idea for the Warriors to get him back again that will cost a lot. But who knows, as we have seen in the last decade or so, there are no longer loyalties in the NBA. Organizations too, if they think it will be good for them, then definitely they can break the winning formula so we will see. I'm still on the fence though.

Nah, I doubt that. If there's a percentage of taking Durant to their roster it will be too low. Warriors are doing pretty great at adding bench players that steps up their game and it was proven last year. They sealed the truth that the 2015 championship was not a fluke but it's skills and team play.
They can work out another championship if their trio will stay healthy and so are Wiggins and Looney.

The Miami Heat are predicted to use their taxpayer mid-level exception to target veteran free agent Dennis Schröder as back up to starting point guard Kyle Lowry, according to Greg Swartz of Bleacher Report.

This link to the 2022 Eastern Conference finalists comes off the back of an earlier report by The Athletic’s Kelly Iko that Schroder would part ways with the rebuilding Houston Rockets during the current free agency window.

“With regards to their own free agents, Dennis Schroder is liked in Houston, but he’s expected to have a new home for the 2022-23 season,” sources told The Athletic.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/basketball/nba/nba-news-2022-rumour-mill-trade-and-free-agency-news-miami-heat-dennis-schroder-dallas-mavericks-cleveland-cavaliers-collin-sexton-la-lakers/news-story/25fc6de35dbb661581174a35d56a8e8f
This I want to see happen. The Miami Heat lacked a pointguard when Herro was hurt and Kyle Lowry was not seen to play long minutes. They are at the top of the East during the season but they are hit by injuries. A younger guard like Schroder will be a great help.

[inthelongrun]

Miami Heat- They are doomed if there's no reliable additions with P.J. Tucker leaving.

Is he that impactful to the Heat? I doubt that. The team have enough in that position to cover his departure. Let's not also forget that they drafted a 6' 11" guy Nikola Jović. That's younger and taller than him so I think they are still good even if they are not very active in the trades yet.

Of course he was. Tucker though getting old, he is a just a perfect player in his own game.

Is he that impactful that the Heat will be "doomed" without a replacement? His stats doesn't support a "yes" answer. I think the team will be alright and remain a contender in the East with their current roster.

A huge inexperienced rookie is nothing compared to a veteran like Tucker with many years in the playoffs including his championship experience.

Careful not to judge someone early when you have not even seen him play with the team yet.

The guy is just too tough, a good passer who can also set up plays, he can defend and he can shoot. I expect Miami to look for a reliable replacement in his position.

Why would the Heat let him go in the first place if he's really that good as you describe. I can give him the assist but his other numbers look average for a power forward to be honest.

Toughness, screens, defense and contesting shots cannot be found in the stats. Miami Heat may have drafted a young big man but it's a whole new level when it comes to the playoffs.

Personally if I am Miami's manager, I cannot match Philly's offer too. Tucker might be worth $11 million next season and perhaps in the 2023-2024 too but it is hard to commit with that amount in 3 years contract due to his age. But I cannot call Daryl Morey's offer absurd knowing they spent more years together with James Harden. And Embiid wants Tucker too.

We can just agree to disagree with each other but I doubt Miami Heat reaches conference finals again with its current remaining roster. They need another reliable additions.

[OgNasty]

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It's like the Brooklyn Nets just made an experiment but it failed. So what's next? A question that had been itching for many Brooklyn fans.
Durant wants a trade and I think Kyrie want the same.
They will be left with nothing if it happens or a roster with roleplayers unable to create chemistry or they could just stick with the plan and try the experiment one more time just to see where it will go.

It really is a failed experiment by the Brooklyn Nets but with their superstars, they might get a good trade package for those 2 especially Durant.
Kyrie wants to be in the Lakers and Lebron wanted it as well but the question is who will the Lakers trade just to get him. Durant now want's to go to either Phoenix or Miami but that would be hard because I don't know who will either Phoenix or Miami want to trade just to get Durant.

I just don't know but if Kyrie will go to Lakers, the Warriors might get Durant again (guess only) and they have a good trade package to get Durant with Poole, Wiggins and Wiseman so they an get it if both parties will agree. The future of the Nets now is still unknown but we might see a picture of what they will be doing next season if Kyrie and Durant will be traded and which players will get in exchange for both of them.

Gonna be huge for the Warriors if they will able to get Durant back. But we all know things have been said after Durant left, so might not be a good idea for the Warriors to get him back again that will cost a lot. But who knows, as we have seen in the last decade or so, there are no longer loyalties in the NBA. Organizations too, if they think it will be good for them, then definitely they can break the winning formula so we will see. I'm still on the fence though.

I don't think they can get Durant back.  Even if they do, it seems like there would be some issues there with drama.  I did notice that Draymond Green came out the other day and said that they wouldn't have been able to beat LeBron without Durant in their last Finals matchup.  That seemingly was an olive branch to Durant, who Green famously told that they could win without him.  I guess father time has made that statement no longer true.  Green looked pretty bad in the postseason this year.  If it wasn't for pickups like Wiggins and Poole, I don't think the Warriors could have one.  As Green becomes more of a liability going forward, it will be interesting to see how the Warriors keep this big 3 relevant (The real big 3 now is Wiggins, Curry, & Klay).

[ultrloa]

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It's like the Brooklyn Nets just made an experiment but it failed. So what's next? A question that had been itching for many Brooklyn fans.
Durant wants a trade and I think Kyrie want the same.
They will be left with nothing if it happens or a roster with roleplayers unable to create chemistry or they could just stick with the plan and try the experiment one more time just to see where it will go.

It really is a failed experiment by the Brooklyn Nets but with their superstars, they might get a good trade package for those 2 especially Durant.
Kyrie wants to be in the Lakers and Lebron wanted it as well but the question is who will the Lakers trade just to get him. Durant now want's to go to either Phoenix or Miami but that would be hard because I don't know who will either Phoenix or Miami want to trade just to get Durant.

I just don't know but if Kyrie will go to Lakers, the Warriors might get Durant again (guess only) and they have a good trade package to get Durant with Poole, Wiggins and Wiseman so they an get it if both parties will agree. The future of the Nets now is still unknown but we might see a picture of what they will be doing next season if Kyrie and Durant will be traded and which players will get in exchange for both of them.

Gonna be huge for the Warriors if they will able to get Durant back. But we all know things have been said after Durant left, so might not be a good idea for the Warriors to get him back again that will cost a lot. But who knows, as we have seen in the last decade or so, there are no longer loyalties in the NBA. Organizations too, if they think it will be good for them, then definitely they can break the winning formula so we will see. I'm still on the fence though.

I don't think they can get Durant back.  Even if they do, it seems like there would be some issues there with drama.  I did notice that Draymond Green came out the other day and said that they wouldn't have been able to beat LeBron without Durant in their last Finals matchup.  That seemingly was an olive branch to Durant, who Green famously told that they could win without him.  I guess father time has made that statement no longer true. 

For sure they will never try to get durant back as the Nets ask those young guys of Warriors which can help then in future, If they trade them for Durant its like they are risking their future to a injury prone guy and proven that he can't lift a team so its good that they retain their young core and develop more other rookies rather than breaking it and get a problem which they already get rid. It's interesting to see what will be the performance of warriors next season since to many of their young key players already departed from their team.

[goinmerry]

For sure they will never try to get durant back as the Nets ask those young guys of Warriors which can help then in future, If they trade them for Durant its like they are risking their future to a injury prone guy and proven that he can't lift a team so its good that they retain their young core and develop more other rookies rather than breaking it and get a problem which they already get rid.

No worries, that's unlikely won't happen. Just imagined how much the Warriors will spend to get Durant to re-sign to them. Not a good idea to get Durant involved in their Championship lineup. It's not that they don't need Durant, but salary-cap wisely, there's no need to spend more for another superstar.

They can use their remaining cap to acquire role players that can improve their second squad.

Lots of good prospects at the free agency that they can target instead of getting Kevin Durant's service that's now entering his post-prime period.

[dwyane36]

The owner already said they do not care about them anymore. Talents can get them so far, without dedication and team spirit, they would never take them to the next level. This is a perfect example of recruiting superstars is not a sure way of getting to the next level. It is still best to develop your own stars. It is longer a path but in my opinion, it is most rewarding.

You're right. The results of the Nets and Lakers are a prime example that a lot of all-star players on one team is an ineffective and pointless strategy. I think the Nets management should find one dedicated all-star player and build a cohesive team around him. However, as you said, that could take a long time, and it's unlikely they can do that during this offseason. Honestly, I expect the Nets will probably be the underdogs next season.

[Dave1]

For sure they will never try to get durant back as the Nets ask those young guys of Warriors which can help then in future, If they trade them for Durant its like they are risking their future to a injury prone guy and proven that he can't lift a team so its good that they retain their young core and develop more other rookies rather than breaking it and get a problem which they already get rid.

No worries, that's unlikely won't happen. Just imagined how much the Warriors will spend to get Durant to re-sign to them. Not a good idea to get Durant involved in their Championship lineup. It's not that they don't need Durant, but salary-cap wisely, there's no need to spend more for another superstar.

They can use their remaining cap to acquire role players that can improve their second squad.

Lots of good prospects at the free agency that they can target instead of getting Kevin Durant's service that's now entering his post-prime period.

Correct, and even if they have disbanded the role players (GPII, Porter, JTA and 2 others), they can still replace them with new players that will fit that role again. They already got one in like Donte Divincenzo who might be a good replacement for either GPII or D. Lee. They also have a good pick in Pat Baldwin Jr. and Gui Santos. Unknown name for now, but for sure when we see them played, we will be again awe at how Warriors are good at picking relatively unknown players and turn them into superstars. So it's better for them not to get KD at this point.

[LogitechMouse]

For sure they will never try to get durant back as the Nets ask those young guys of Warriors which can help then in future, If they trade them for Durant its like they are risking their future to a injury prone guy and proven that he can't lift a team so its good that they retain their young core and develop more other rookies rather than breaking it and get a problem which they already get rid.

No worries, that's unlikely won't happen. Just imagined how much the Warriors will spend to get Durant to re-sign to them. Not a good idea to get Durant involved in their Championship lineup. It's not that they don't need Durant, but salary-cap wisely, there's no need to spend more for another superstar.

They can use their remaining cap to acquire role players that can improve their second squad.

Lots of good prospects at the free agency that they can target instead of getting Kevin Durant's service that's now entering his post-prime period.

If that's the case, then it's a good decision for the Warriors management.
I mean, I'd rather have some younger and talented players than a player who is almost entering his post-prime period like you said. The Warriors can use Poole and Wiggins for a longer period of time, and they might be the new face of the franchise if the Big 3 will step down on their performance.

Well, I just read that article that the Warriors are interested in getting Durant, but personally I don't want it either, especially with the beef between him and Green in the past. Utilizing their younger players would be better for the Warriors. Developing Kuminga, Moody and their recent draft pick if it fits to the system. Getting role players right now would be better, especially with Payton II leaving the team, they really need another good defender right now. I'm a bit curious on which players will they get, especially a defensive player.

[TravelMug]

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It's like the Brooklyn Nets just made an experiment but it failed. So what's next? A question that had been itching for many Brooklyn fans.
Durant wants a trade and I think Kyrie want the same.
They will be left with nothing if it happens or a roster with roleplayers unable to create chemistry or they could just stick with the plan and try the experiment one more time just to see where it will go.

It really is a failed experiment by the Brooklyn Nets but with their superstars, they might get a good trade package for those 2 especially Durant.
Kyrie wants to be in the Lakers and Lebron wanted it as well but the question is who will the Lakers trade just to get him. Durant now want's to go to either Phoenix or Miami but that would be hard because I don't know who will either Phoenix or Miami want to trade just to get Durant.

I just don't know but if Kyrie will go to Lakers, the Warriors might get Durant again (guess only) and they have a good trade package to get Durant with Poole, Wiggins and Wiseman so they an get it if both parties will agree. The future of the Nets now is still unknown but we might see a picture of what they will be doing next season if Kyrie and Durant will be traded and which players will get in exchange for both of them.

Gonna be huge for the Warriors if they will able to get Durant back. But we all know things have been said after Durant left, so might not be a good idea for the Warriors to get him back again that will cost a lot. But who knows, as we have seen in the last decade or so, there are no longer loyalties in the NBA. Organizations too, if they think it will be good for them, then definitely they can break the winning formula so we will see. I'm still on the fence though.

There should no value adding Durant to their core team and then losing a lot of players. They already lost their best defenders in Otto Porter and Gary Payton Jr, and wing man Juan Toscano, although his time has been limited since the return of Thompson.

Poole and Wiggins and then their future Wiseman, who they have waited for more than a year to heal and recover because they want him to be part of their championship DNA will just be traded?

[YuginKadoya]

You're right. The results of the Nets and Lakers are a prime example that a lot of all-star players on one team is an ineffective and pointless strategy. I think the Nets management should find one dedicated all-star player and build a cohesive team around him. However, as you said, that could take a long time, and it's unlikely they can do that during this offseason. Honestly, I expect the Nets will probably be the underdogs next season.

And because the Brooklyn Nets were swept by the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Conference first-round series it was a devastating loss that surely made a lot of ripple on the internet and said that the only team that had been swept in the 1st round of the series, with 2 of NBA's finest all-star, this surely triggered so much commotion and report on how this happens, so I think they refresh their strategy and thinking in building their team with only 1 all star or still keeping both but build excellent support for both players, in my opinion in the offensive side the Brooklyn Nets is a sure monster when it comes to offense but in the defensive side I think the Nets need to work out on that,

Correct, and even if they have disbanded the role players (GPII, Porter, JTA and 2 others), they can still replace them with new players that will fit that role again. They already got one in like Donte Divincenzo who might be a good replacement for either GPII or D. Lee. They also have a good pick in Pat Baldwin Jr. and Gui Santos. Unknown name for now, but for sure when we see them played, we will be again awe at how Warriors are good at picking relatively unknown players and turn them into superstars. So it's better for them not to get KD at this point.

I think the Golden State Warriors are just focusing on the trading of their latest roster and adding additional players that may become future all-stars one day, and in addition to that they have signed a two-way contract on Lester Quiñones, a new player but we will see in the future if he has what it takes to be the next Jordan Poole or Stephen Curry, and they also have a new Drafted Patrick Baldwin Jr. Round 1 - Pick 28th that I think has a potential to be the next Kevon Looney with a 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m) in height, so relatively they really don't need a Kevin Durant anymore, the players of the Golden State are reaching their potential, and I think it is because of the way they trained and how they manage their players

There should no value adding Durant to their core team and then losing a lot of players. They already lost their best defenders in Otto Porter and Gary Payton Jr, and wing man Juan Toscano, although his time has been limited since the return of Thompson.

Poole and Wiggins and then their future Wiseman, who they have waited for more than a year to heal and recover because they want him to be part of their championship DNA will just be traded?

I also think that the Golden State Warriors will not make a contract on Durant after what he did last time, and Otto Porter, Garry Payton Jr., and Juan Toscano? I haven't seen the article yet and it was never been updated on their wiki page, so I am still doubting it, losing these three players for me was sad, I really think they have fit the Warriors perfectly and GP2 was a great defender for that purpose but I think the Management surely have a plan and as new players have come older players need to go,

[Hypnosis00]

There should no value adding Durant to their core team and then losing a lot of players. They already lost their best defenders in Otto Porter and Gary Payton Jr, and wing man Juan Toscano, although his time has been limited since the return of Thompson.

Poole and Wiggins and then their future Wiseman, who they have waited for more than a year to heal and recover because they want him to be part of their championship DNA will just be traded?

I agree with that, no more Durant for this team, they are not exciting to watch anymore, I think it will make the team better but the unbeatable Warriors is not fun to watch, so I like them to make the big 3 the only superstars in the team. It's not Curry team, it's the Warriors because they played great teamwork, so they should stick with that.

[RealMalatesta]

The results of the Nets and Lakers are a prime example that a lot of all-star players on one team is an ineffective and pointless strategy. I think the Nets management should find one dedicated all-star player and build a cohesive team around him. However, as you said, that could take a long time, and it's unlikely they can do that during this offseason. Honestly, I expect the Nets will probably be the underdogs next season.

I feel like it is not about all-stars getting into the same team all together, it's the system building that decides it. If you have one superstar level PF that plays mostly inside, if you have one of the all time great players who likes to drive inside, and have a PG that usually goes inside as well, one of them being a great three point shooter, then it is quite obvious that you are going to clog the paint and it would be hard for you to be efficient and the inside would be crowded by other teams defense and would make it harder for you to score.

This is obvious, so even if you get amazing players, this method won't work. Hence, it's both about getting good players, but also having a good system in place for those players to have good roles that do not overlap each other.

[yazher]

The owner already said they do not care about them anymore. Talents can get them so far, without dedication and team spirit, they would never take them to the next level. This is a perfect example of recruiting superstars is not a sure way of getting to the next level. It is still best to develop your own stars. It is longer a path but in my opinion, it is most rewarding.

Every eye will be on Ben Simmons on how he will gonna fit in his new team and for him is a new chance to prove to the critics and shut them off with his new skills if he got a new one. they can actually try to experiment to acquire some youngbloods and make them play with the current superstars they have in their team to boost their experience and might become superstars in the future too. Acquiring some more superstars might create problems because you wouldn't know if they fit together and not get some ego problem inside the court.

[Ziskinberg]

The results of the Nets and Lakers are a prime example that a lot of all-star players on one team is an ineffective and pointless strategy. I think the Nets management should find one dedicated all-star player and build a cohesive team around him. However, as you said, that could take a long time, and it's unlikely they can do that during this offseason. Honestly, I expect the Nets will probably be the underdogs next season.

I feel like it is not about all-stars getting into the same team all together, it's the system building that decides it. If you have one superstar level PF that plays mostly inside, if you have one of the all time great players who likes to drive inside, and have a PG that usually goes inside as well, one of them being a great three point shooter, then it is quite obvious that you are going to clog the paint and it would be hard for you to be efficient and the inside would be crowded by other teams defense and would make it harder for you to score.

This is obvious, so even if you get amazing players, this method won't work. Hence, it's both about getting good players, but also having a good system in place for those players to have good roles that do not overlap each other.

The system is the most important and the Warriors have a very good system in the NBA so far. Warriors are built slowly until they become a championship team, and Curry was not even a superstar when he entered the NBA until he proved to be one by winning games and showing some consistency.

Curry was just the 7th pick when he got drafted in the NBA, but look where he is now.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/stephen-curry-warriors-2009-nba-draft/vzxonlyndu91k9z9qiwc2ek6