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[dothebeats]

Red Bull came with a car that was a little faster than their usual self, which I was a bit shocked considering I thought they were focusing on next seasons car already and even a bit 2026 I am sure, but the fact that they improved on already the best car means that they will keep the title. This isn't good news, it's always fun to see new teams get better, and the fact that there aren't that many improvements reported means it's going to be a bit boring.

Any improvements on the current iteration of Red Bull's car is like a mockery against other teams. They have the best car across the board, across all races, and yet they continued to push with the car that helped them win many races. At this point, we don't know how good their car would be for the next season if this current season's car still has some room for improvements. Even if McLaren, Ferrari, or Mercedes get lots of improvements with their cars, i don't think it can still come close with Red Bull's.

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[alegotardo]

Massa went through legal channels to ask for the world title which was illegally taken from him in 2008.

After what Briatore confessed a few months ago Felipe went on the attack, we'll see how it ends.

I've already been in favor of Felipe Massa once, but I admit this case is pretty complete and there's no easy answer. On the one hand, it is true that McLaren was caught manipulating the race, a clear contradiction of the rules, but it was not the first and not the last... there were other serious violations and the result of the competition was not annulled. On the other hand, Hamilton was also a brilliant driver who had an exceptional season, would it be fair to punish him with the withdrawal of that title when he was the most consistent driver of the season?

Certainly the FIA should, at the very least, have better considered some important factors before deciding whether or not to cancel this race, such as the seriousness of this violation of the rules by McLaren and the impact it had on the results of the season, in addition to Hamilton's performance throughout the season and also the impact of annulling his title.

Anyway... instead of debating this issue and trying to reach a fair and impartial decision, the FIA decided to take the easy way out and unfortunately left everything as it is. So, in my opinion I believe that Felipe Massa was very right to file a lawsuit against the FIA and I hope he wins! Is there any site accepting bets on top of that?

[tokeweed]

Massa went through legal channels to ask for the world title which was illegally taken from him in 2008.

After what Briatore confessed a few months ago Felipe went on the attack, we'll see how it ends.

Wups...  Wow.  If he wins the case and is given the 2008 driver's championship then it would be just 6 world titles for Lewis Hamilton?  Hmmm..  That would be a hard one for him.  He won't be able to retire before 2030 now.  He'll still have to chase a couple more titles to break Schumacher's record.    Yes!  Lol.

I wouldn't really be surprised of he was poked to do it by...  You know...   

Anyway still a couple of weeks more before the next race.  Anybody got any news?

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1   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Ducati Lenovo (GP23)   1'28.539s   7/8   312k
2   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23)   +0.037s   6/8   314k
3   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +0.114s   6/8   313k
4   Jack Miller   AUS   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +0.230s   6/8   312k
5   Alex Marquez   SPA   Gresini Ducati (GP22)   +0.289s   8/8   313k
6   Luca Marini   ITA   Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22)   +0.300s   7/8   313k
7   Marco Bezzecchi   ITA   Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22)   +0.369s   9/9   314k
8   Miguel Oliveira   POR   RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22)   +0.427s   6/8   313k
9   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.495s   8/8   313k
10   Johann Zarco   FRA   Pramac Ducati (GP23)   +0.574s   7/8   312k
11   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23)   +0.706s   8/8   310k
12   Jorge Martin   SPA   Pramac Ducati (GP23)   +1.828s   2/8   314k

Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1033556/1/austrian-motogp-red-bull-ring-full-qualifying-results


Results for the sprint qualify, race is ongoing now.

[swogerino]

Massa went through legal channels to ask for the world title which was illegally taken from him in 2008.

After what Briatore confessed a few months ago Felipe went on the attack, we'll see how it ends.

I don't know what Massa wants but it would be really funny if FIA decided to hand him over the title of 2008 where Hamilton won the title with a weaker car than Ferrari then.I still remember very well that day when Glock had that problem,the rain and all the problems,I will never forget that the Brazilian fans gifted him the shirt of Vasco de Gama football team where they thought that these are the eternal second place as they had a lot of runner up finishes,yet Hamilton accepted it and didn't give a damn about that superstition,in fact it brought him luck the opposite of what Brazilian fans wanted.

[Koal-84]

Yes, victory with slippery tires in rainy conditions must be considered extraordinary because Brad Binder was able to survive with these tires without having to change his motorbike at that time. In addition, the riders who tried to change their motorbikes at that time were also unable to win even though they were already wearing the tires that should have been when the rain started to flush the circuit.

Everything went right for Brad Binder and KTM in this race, if the race had probably lasted one more lap he wouldn't have been the winner. But the victory was still respectable.

Your assumption might be correct, but from some news that has been circulating now that Marc Marquez also does not have a place at KTM after Dorna confirmed not to free up another place for the KTM team. So this makes KTM reluctant to care about other things except for himself at the moment and apart from that the contracts of the riders who are at KTM for now are still quite long.

I'm Austrian and if I'm honest, I'm happy if Marquez doesn't come to KTM, for me personally he doesn't fit in with the team, and in terms of salary he's just too expensive.

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1   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Ducati Lenovo (GP23)   1'28.539s   7/8   312k
2   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23)   +0.037s   6/8   314k
3   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +0.114s   6/8   313k
4   Jack Miller   AUS   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +0.230s   6/8   312k
5   Alex Marquez   SPA   Gresini Ducati (GP22)   +0.289s   8/8   313k
6   Luca Marini   ITA   Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22)   +0.300s   7/8   313k
7   Marco Bezzecchi   ITA   Mooney VR46 Ducati (GP22)   +0.369s   9/9   314k
8   Miguel Oliveira   POR   RNF Aprilia (RS-GP22)   +0.427s   6/8   313k
9   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.495s   8/8   313k
10   Johann Zarco   FRA   Pramac Ducati (GP23)   +0.574s   7/8   312k
11   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP23)   +0.706s   8/8   310k
12   Jorge Martin   SPA   Pramac Ducati (GP23)   +1.828s   2/8   314k

Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1033556/1/austrian-motogp-red-bull-ring-full-qualifying-results


Results for the sprint qualify, race is ongoing now.

most likely Bagnia will win this race if you see how his performance is in some races back. Bagnia has a good opportunity to be able to get the first pole in this race, especially since the performance of the motorbike is good and it seems that it is suitable for this Red Bull Ring circuit.

[dothebeats]

Massa went through legal channels to ask for the world title which was illegally taken from him in 2008.

After what Briatore confessed a few months ago Felipe went on the attack, we'll see how it ends.

I've already been in favor of Felipe Massa once, but I admit this case is pretty complete and there's no easy answer. On the one hand, it is true that McLaren was caught manipulating the race, a clear contradiction of the rules, but it was not the first and not the last... there were other serious violations and the result of the competition was not annulled. On the other hand, Hamilton was also a brilliant driver who had an exceptional season, would it be fair to punish him with the withdrawal of that title when he was the most consistent driver of the season?

Certainly the FIA should, at the very least, have better considered some important factors before deciding whether or not to cancel this race, such as the seriousness of this violation of the rules by McLaren and the impact it had on the results of the season, in addition to Hamilton's performance throughout the season and also the impact of annulling his title.

Anyway... instead of debating this issue and trying to reach a fair and impartial decision, the FIA decided to take the easy way out and unfortunately left everything as it is. So, in my opinion I believe that Felipe Massa was very right to file a lawsuit against the FIA and I hope he wins! Is there any site accepting bets on top of that?

The FIA's ruling on that race is pretty questionable, though you're right. We can't dismiss the fact that Hamilton really did well during that season. Had it not been for his performance, the FIA could easily rectify this decision and go even with Massa by handing him the title years after it has been awarded. Idk what kind of legal action can come into play in a tournament held by a private organization. Whatever it is, I hope Massa gets what he deserves.

[Davian144]

Everything went right for Brad Binder and KTM in this race, if the race had probably lasted one more lap he wouldn't have been the winner. But the victory was still respectable.

Brad Binder is a rider that the rest of the riders still have to watch out for this season because he fits perfectly on the KTM bike and today he will definitely give everything to win considering that Austria is the home of the KTM factory. But from the WUP results that I saw today where the weather was quite sunny, it looks like today's race will be very fierce and even more fierce than yesterday's Sprint Race.

I'm Austrian and if I'm honest, I'm happy if Marquez doesn't come to KTM, for me personally he doesn't fit in with the team, and in terms of salary he's just too expensive.

That's really fun because you can watch the MotoGp Race live today because the weather there is very friendly. And in terms of Marquez I think he needs to find a team that is richer if he is no longer comfortable at Honda because teams that are not too rich will be a little overwhelmed to pay him as a regular racer.

most likely Bagnia will win this race if you see how his performance is in some races back. Bagnia has a good opportunity to be able to get the first pole in this race, especially since the performance of the motorbike is good and it seems that it is suitable for this Red Bull Ring circuit.

Bagnia already got pole in qualifying and it was not so difficult for him, but in today's race I think Bagnia will also be under some pressure from other riders even though Bagnia still has a chance to win because yesterday he also won the Sprint Race with pretty good. Soon we will witness a race for MotoGP because before that I really enjoyed racing Moto3 and also Moto2.

[swogerino]

I'm Austrian and if I'm honest, I'm happy if Marquez doesn't come to KTM, for me personally he doesn't fit in with the team, and in terms of salary he's just too expensive.

I know he is extremely expensive but don't you think that having him as a rider can give that needed boost to KTM to come out as a winner,something they are in here in the MotoGP from sometime and so far they have not won any title,he as a rider if he harmonize himself well with the bike is one of the few of the riders that can give you the world title.Otherwise KTM will keep being a normal/mediocre brand in the MotoGP and this is worse even if you will save money compared to having a rider winning races for you.I am strongly in favor sometime now KTM gets a super nice rider and Marquez is the one.

[Davian144]

I know he is extremely expensive but don't you think that having him as a rider can give that needed boost to KTM to come out as a winner,something they are in here in the MotoGP from sometime and so far they have not won any title,he as a rider if he harmonize himself well with the bike is one of the few of the riders that can give you the world title.Otherwise KTM will keep being a normal/mediocre brand in the MotoGP and this is worse even if you will save money compared to having a rider winning races for you.I am strongly in favor sometime now KTM gets a super nice rider and Marquez is the one.

Marquez wouldn't be bad for a factory team like KTM, but for now the team management is also looking at younger riders like Pedro Acosta who is currently still in Moto2. However, because the place for the KTM team itself is no longer available, this has forced KTM to discourage itself from recruiting other riders such as Marquez and Pedro Acosta because Brad Binder has also extended his contract with KTM until 2026. By the way, the race that just finished was also very good. with some intense competition from Marco Bezz and Luca Marini although neither were the winning riders today.

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Another win for Bagnaia, at this point, am pretty confident in saying that he can only lose this title.

[Koal-84]

Another win for Bagnaia, at this point, am pretty confident in saying that he can only lose this title.

It almost became the constellation I would have guessed. I would have seen Vinales on the podium. But a good and great race with a beautiful backdrop in Austria. The next race is in Spain, where Ducati is usually not so strong.

[swogerino]

Another win for Bagnaia, at this point, am pretty confident in saying that he can only lose this title.

I agree now.He has the best bike and if he rides well and become a conservative rider thinking only about winning the title and not risking in races we can clearly say that only he can lose this title.Yet when I remember how many crashes he had during these last 2 years I can also say without a doubt that he is not at all a conservative rider,he likes to win races and even when he does not need to race hard he goes and does just that he fights hard for victory.At this point since there is no real competition to him because he has the best bike I agree he is the only one to lose this title.

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I agree now.He has the best bike and if he rides well and become a conservative rider thinking only about winning the title and not risking in races

Yep, he was pretty dumb at the start of the season.

I think he slipped 3 times when he was in the top 2 positions so far, imagine he had 50 more points...

[FanEagle]

Finally getting the race back again. F1 is starting up this weekend and it is going to be epic. After the big break, I am expecting teams to have some changes, we haven't heard any rumors about who is doing how but after big breaks there are usually changes in the cars.

Let's see if Aston could get back to how they were at the start of the season, lets see if Mclaren could keep their newly found pace, lets see if Mercedes can fix some stuff and finally bring them back to closer to red bull, and lets see what kind of mistakes Ferrari will make lol. It is going to definitely be something to watch because it has been so long since the last time and it should be fun to watch it again and get hyped until the race starts and max just laps everyone .

[Davian144]

It almost became the constellation I would have guessed. I would have seen Vinales on the podium. But a good and great race with a beautiful backdrop in Austria. The next race is in Spain, where Ducati is usually not so strong.

The race in Austria last weekend was a race that really made Valentino Rossi happy because he immediately watched the race on the circuit with his own team who also got third place on the podium and Luca Marini also managed to finish the race in the top four. Apart from that, he is also happy because Bagnaia was able to win again there, so that the gap in points has increased in the temporary standings for now.

The next race will probably be even more fierce than the one in Austria because the Catalunya circuit also has very good character so that almost all riders will look more competitive when racing there. And I think that Ducati will also put up a stronger fight in Catalonia because Aprilia and KTM can make unexpected surprises there.

[emrecemsan]

Finally getting the race back again. F1 is starting up this weekend and it is going to be epic. After the big break, I am expecting teams to have some changes, we haven't heard any rumors about who is doing how but after big breaks there are usually changes in the cars.

Let's see if Aston could get back to how they were at the start of the season, lets see if Mclaren could keep their newly found pace, lets see if Mercedes can fix some stuff and finally bring them back to closer to red bull, and lets see what kind of mistakes Ferrari will make lol. It is going to definitely be something to watch because it has been so long since the last time and it should be fun to watch it again and get hyped until the race starts and max just laps everyone .

I hope that we can see some top teams other than Red Bull bringing some solid upgrades to the Dutch GP. Because I have really missed a high level rivalry for winning races. Verstappen's domination makes things really boring in the championship. It is no different than Hamilton's dominant times with Mercedes. We don't see any team getting near Red Bull now either like Red Bull did it in the 2021 season and we watched an awesome competition until the end of the season.

I expect more from Ferrari especially. Bringing upgrades can make up for their mistakes with strategies more at least.

[Koal-84]

I agree now.He has the best bike and if he rides well and become a conservative rider thinking only about winning the title and not risking in races

Yep, he was pretty dumb at the start of the season.

I think he slipped 3 times when he was in the top 2 positions so far, imagine he had 50 more points...

He has definitely matured during this season, the slips were definitely good for us, otherwise the season would have been as good as over. But I also read once that one or two crashes, Bagnaia and Ducati didn't know why. The Ducati factory team makes some changes every year, so it can happen that they don't quite understand one or the other yet.

[Davian144]

He has definitely matured during this season, the slips were definitely good for us, otherwise the season would have been as good as over. But I also read once that one or two crashes, Bagnaia and Ducati didn't know why. The Ducati factory team makes some changes every year, so it can happen that they don't quite understand one or the other yet.

Whenever Ducati makes a change, it is always tested and tested by their test riders on a predetermined schedule. Including Ducati also conducts closed tests when it wants to implement new changes for the following year, and now or for this season I see that Ducati has become more perfect so that other manufacturers still find it difficult to deal with it in almost all circuits. Although occasionally Aprilia can also take the opportunity to win races unexpectedly.