Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[aesma]

And Mercedes sells millions of expensive cars to pay for F1.

Meanwhile Red Bull sells cans of let's say questionable beverage.

This is not true at all, at least entirely.
Red Bull has a lot of things in their hands besides the beverage.

They get money from many spots, they have teams in football/soccer whatever you wanna call it, moto, extreme sports, other races cars, and many more.

Before COvid in 2019 they got 6.1 billions $ in sales, I don't think 150m spent in a F1 where they will earn too from the advertising is a big deal.

No all these things cost money ! Sponsorships are marketing, the goal is to sell your product, that's the only thing that brings money in. But indeed, Red Bull spends a lot of money in a lots of sports, it's amazing.

[coinlocket$]

The MotoGP was so boring this evening.
The only interesting thing is to see how fast is the Ducati 

I hope to see Marquez next week to see if the Honda is a really bad moto or if only he can drive it.

[Luzin]

The MotoGP was so boring this evening.
The only interesting thing is to see how fast is the Ducati 

I hope to see Marquez next week to see if the Honda is a really bad moto or if only he can drive it.

My guess was wrong, I championed Ducati, but it turned out that Yamaha was number 1 today and Quartararo won. I thought that was pretty good, some riders overtaking each other. From the first race, Ducati's speed was superior, Yamaha looked powerless on a straight track.
Regarding Honda, the opening two series looks like they are nowhere to be seen. The races were dominated by Yamaha and Ducati. Even today Honda is not in the top 10, is there a problem with Honda? I haven't found it yet. Then about Marquez I hope he will be able to join the next race in Portugal on April 18th.

[coinlocket$]

My guess was wrong, I championed Ducati, but it turned out that Yamaha was number 1 today and Quartararo won

Yamaha managed somehow to be more gentle on the tires.
When they were at 5 laps at the end they improved their time while Ducati could not keep their lap time.

They won by managing better the tires.

Jorge MARTIN is doing very good, 1st year with Ducati and already close to the driver with more expirience.

[tokeweed]

And Mercedes sells millions of expensive cars to pay for F1.

Meanwhile Red Bull sells cans of let's say questionable beverage.

F1 teams gain revenue via FOM payments which is a pretty messed up system, sponsorships, link up with pay drivers for some teams and outside investment for other teams.  The teams themselves make their revenue.  It’s not some kind of pit where money is thrown to keep it going.  Lol.

[swogerino]

The MotoGP was so boring this evening.
The only interesting thing is to see how fast is the Ducati 

I hope to see Marquez next week to see if the Honda is a really bad moto or if only he can drive it.

Ducati seems like the fastest ride for the moment.We can only tell about Honda after Marquez come back.However we need to see 2 or more races with Marquez onboard of Honda and then see where the problem is.Honda surely isn't in their top but it cannot be that bad as yesterday either.

[aesma]

And Mercedes sells millions of expensive cars to pay for F1.

Meanwhile Red Bull sells cans of let's say questionable beverage.

F1 teams gain revenue via FOM payments which is a pretty messed up system, sponsorships, link up with pay drivers for some teams and outside investment for other teams.  The teams themselves make their revenue.  It’s not some kind of pit where money is thrown to keep it going.  Lol.

FOM payments are far from enough. A team like Ferrari clearly needs a lot of millions coming from Ferrari the car manufacturer to stay in the game. If Honda is leaving F1 once again it's because it can't sell its engines for what they cost, they must put money in. Now it's Stroll putting money in through Aston Martin. Etc.

[AakZaki]

The MotoGP was so boring this evening.
The only interesting thing is to see how fast is the Ducati 

I hope to see Marquez next week to see if the Honda is a really bad moto or if only he can drive it.

I am amazed by Honda, usually they are good in Qatar. Honda and Ducati Always competing for speed in Qatar, but not today. In the second series in Qatar they are in 13th place for Espargaro, the other riders are behind him. Looks like they have maybe engine problem. Since Marquez's absence, Honda has not been optimal. It seems that they cannot optimally develop a new engine. Maybe Espargaro not understand the motorbike problem , he can't optimally provide input to the Honda Development Team.

[Koal-84]

The MotoGP was so boring this evening.
The only interesting thing is to see how fast is the Ducati 

I hope to see Marquez next week to see if the Honda is a really bad moto or if only he can drive it.

You think boring, you ever see Formula1 

Yes Ducati are very fast and have the strongest engine, but i don't unterstand what's wrong with Petronas Yamaha and KTM?

[coinlocket$]

You think boring, you ever see Formula1 

Yes Ducati are very fast and have the strongest engine, but i don't unterstand what's wrong with Petronas Yamaha and KTM?

F1 with the tire strategies to me is more interesting, anything can happen even with a safety car.
In the last years MotoGP is quite boring to see, often wins who manage better the tires, they can't even push or they will have no tires to finish the race, this is not racing from my point of view.

[Koal-84]

You think boring, you ever see Formula1 

Yes Ducati are very fast and have the strongest engine, but i don't unterstand what's wrong with Petronas Yamaha and KTM?

F1 with the tire strategies to me is more interesting, anything can happen even with a safety car.
In the last years MotoGP is quite boring to see, often wins who manage better the tires, they can't even push or they will have no tires to finish the race, this is not racing from my point of view.

That is a matter of opinion, there are no more overtaking maneuvers in Formula 1 and actually only 2 teams can win. In Formula 1 I would be introducing refueling again, then the tires could also be made a little better again, in Formula 1 everything revolves around the tire management. 10 riders and all manufacturers except Aprilia can win at MotoGP.

[Juggy777]

You think boring, you ever see Formula1  

Yes Ducati are very fast and have the strongest engine, but i don't unterstand what's wrong with Petronas Yamaha and KTM?

F1 with the tire strategies to me is more interesting, anything can happen even with a safety car.
In the last years MotoGP is quite boring to see, often wins who manage better the tires, they can't even push or they will have no tires to finish the race, this is not racing from my point of view.

That is a matter of opinion, there are no more overtaking maneuvers in Formula 1 and actually only 2 teams can win. In Formula 1 I would be introducing refueling again, then the tires could also be made a little better again, in Formula 1 everything revolves around the tire management. 10 riders and all manufacturers except Aprilia can win at MotoGP.

Koal-84 while I understand your context I don’t agree that F1 is boring, even though I dislike Hamilton wining all the time I can’t deny him the credit he deserves for making it seem so easy. @coinlocket$ I agree with your views as safety cars often make the race more interesting, and remember the Eifel Grand Prix where the safety car was so slow that Verstappen commented it was intentionally slow to make the race interesting.

Sources:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/masi-justifies-safety-car-that-enraged-hamilton-verstappen/

https://the-race.com/formula-1/debunking-the-biggest-criticisms-of-hamilton/

[aesma]

Limiting grip often helps lower teams to have better results, whatever the way it happens. For example when it rains. For some time F1 had no tire change (even with refuelling) and tire management became all that was talked about. When there were two tire manufacturers, then people complained that one was better than the other.

There is always a reason to complain about tires it seams.

[AakZaki]

Have you heard the official news about Marquez who will appear in Portugal?
I looked for him, but I only found some local media whether he could perform with Honda in Portugal from the results medical test in April 12.   If Marquez has not been able to appear, of course the difference in points will be even wider. Honda fans are certainly looking forward to this news, especially the Honda riders in the last two series. This is because Honda performed poorly in the first two series.

[Koal-84]

Have you heard the official news about Marquez who will appear in Portugal?
I looked for him, but I only found some local media whether he could perform with Honda in Portugal from the results medical test in April 12.   If Marquez has not been able to appear, of course the difference in points will be even wider. Honda fans are certainly looking forward to this news, especially the Honda riders in the last two series. This is because Honda performed poorly in the first two series.

Stefan Bradl expects the comeback in Portimao, but nothing is fixed yet and it depends on Marquez's fitness and health. That is the problem if a manufacturer has only developed the bike for one driver for years, if the driver is not fit, you drive behind.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/motogp/news/kehrt-marc-marquez-in-portimao-zurueck-die-prognose-von-stefan-bradl-21033103

[coinlocket$]

Small rumor for the 2025 year.
Engines are now frozen till 2024 so they will use these engines till then.

After that, they are now thinking about using biofuels and increasing the energy regeneration from batteries, and to create more energy they are now thinking to change cars to 4x4 cars.

The decision will be fast during this summer.

I don't know what to think about 4x4cars

[Koal-84]

Small rumor for the 2025 year.
Engines are now frozen till 2024 so they will use these engines till then.

After that, they are now thinking about using biofuels and increasing the energy regeneration from batteries, and to create more energy they are now thinking to change cars to 4x4 cars.

The decision will be fast during this summer.

I don't know what to think about 4x4cars

Looks interesting, you have a source for this? Also good for RedBull if the current engine concept remains, you can continue developing it yourself. A completely new engine would be unimaginable for RedBull only.

4x4 cars are interesting to drive but a completely different way, I could imagine that the front axle receives electrical support and the rear axle receives a hybrid system. But this development would probably be very expensive again and the cars will be even heavier.

[tokeweed]

Small rumor for the 2025 year.
Engines are now frozen till 2024 so they will use these engines till then.

After that, they are now thinking about using biofuels and increasing the energy regeneration from batteries, and to create more energy they are now thinking to change cars to 4x4 cars.

The decision will be fast during this summer.

I don't know what to think about 4x4cars

I don’t know what to think of them.  But I’m pretty sure some F1 purists want to let it stay as it was.  If anything, going back to the screaming aspirated engines would be great for many fans.  I’m not really sure if these moves will add more fans but it could turn some of the current ones off.

[aesma]

In the US they have been using E85 in Indycar.

I think more hybrid is a given, 4*4 will be common for electric sports car, but I'm not convinced for F1. I guess the idea is that since braking is done mostly on the front axle, to make more electricity you need regenerative braking on the front axle.

[coinlocket$]

Looks interesting, you have a source for this?

No, I can't remember where I had read it but it was in Italian.

The original article should be this one in Dutch.
The who has spoken is Nikolas Tombazis


https://racingnews365.nl/fia-denkt-na-over-formule-1-autos-met-vierwielaandrijving