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[swogerino]

Whatever that race was and whatever happened in it, I think Verstappen and Red Bull would’ve gotten the same result even if he didn’t make that mistake in sector 3 at Q3 and started at pole during the race.

Hamilton’s pace in that Mercedes was really fast.  It’s almost like they just discovered something they should’ve discovered at the start of the season.

Anyway it’s the guy who finishes with more points win.  Both drivers are tied in championship points.  When was the last time something like this happened?

It was in the distant year of 1974 in which I weren't born yet at that time,don't know about you but I think most forum users are under 40 as Bitcoin is a new technology so I think most of us were not born at that time.It is exactly 47 years later that we are experiencing the same.However the same scenario will mostly repeat itself as it happened in Saudi Arabia,even here in Abu Dhabi as the track is a fast one so most likely only luck can give Redbull and Verstappen the title.If they were to race in normal conditions Mercedes will have an easy win.

[dezoel]

Max getting a penalty here could make sense to some Hamilton fans and maybe even other fans, but if Max needed to get some penalty, then it should have been in Brazil. I am a huge Lando fan and I would rather have him finish first then anyone else.

However, I rather see someone other than Hamilton win because it has been so bothering to watch Hamilton be the face of F1 for so long and acting like he is the best thing that ever happened when Lando is just as good if you ask me if given the same car.

So in the case of Max vs Lewis, I am defending Max in this case. Even with wanting to see Max win, Max should have gotten a penalty at Brazil if anything, if you say that is regular racing, then this was too, if this deserved a penalty then Brazil did too, this inconsistency is the big problem. In any case I believe that Max doesn't drive as dirty as people claim, and he doesn't get away with it neither, Hamilton literally almost killed Max in silverstone and got 10 second penalty and first place as well if I remember correctly, if that was fair, then this was way more than fair.

[AndySt]

Whatever that race was and whatever happened in it, I think Verstappen and Red Bull would’ve gotten the same result even if he didn’t make that mistake in sector 3 at Q3 and started at pole during the race.
Hamilton’s pace in that Mercedes was really fast.  It’s almost like they just discovered something they should’ve discovered at the start of the season.
Anyway it’s the guy who finishes with more points win.  Both drivers are tied in championship points.  When was the last time something like this happened?

It was in the distant year of 1974 in which I weren't born yet at that time,don't know about you but I think most forum users are under 40 as Bitcoin is a new technology so I think most of us were not born at that time.It is exactly 47 years later that we are experiencing the same.However the same scenario will mostly repeat itself as it happened in Saudi Arabia,even here in Abu Dhabi as the track is a fast one so most likely only luck can give Redbull and Verstappen the title.If they were to race in normal conditions Mercedes will have an easy win.

The only hope Red Bull and Max Verstappen can have is for a scenario similar to the one that happened in Saudi Arabia. That is, a lot of collisions, constant stops and restarts and successful not-quite-obvious decisions on tactics. Max should be grateful that thanks to these events, Bottas was dropped from the fight for second place and was able to intervene in the fight for the podium only in the last meters of the race. In any case, Mercedes look more powerful and should win the race in a good way, but no one is immune from accidents and anything can happen, both with Mercedes and with Red Bulls. Also, a third player can interfere in their direct struggle, as happened at a certain stage of the race when Esteban Ocon intervened.

[judas]

Literally, everything happened in the last race in Saudi Arabia. The incidents between Hamilton and Verstappen were really interesting.    Especially, the last one was unbelievable. It is not an incident that we see too often. Verstappen just wanted to act smart by giving his position to Hamilton right before the DRS line on the start straight. But Hamilton was already aware of it and didn't want to get past him there. Verstappen slowed down so much that Hamilton hit him from right behind while he was trying to swerve not to do so. Despite even this incident, Hamilton got past him later and got a very comfortable win here. Verstappen got penalties but luckily Bottas still couldn't get past him. And now, Verstappen is the leader but they have the same points before the last race. This is just insane! And I'm looking forward to seeing the last race that everything is going to be decided there for the championship.

[Luzin]

Will Marquez really retire?
The news I read in the local media said that he has not recovered from concussion due to a fall while practicing motocross in October 2021. Upon further examination, the doctor also found problems with his vision. Even the Repsol Honda manager has hinted without Marquez at the start of the 2022 season.
If it happens, of course, this is a problem. Moto GP will again lose riders in productive age. But hopefully Marquez will recover soon, he is a rider who is starting to look better after his hand injury. But unfortunately it seems like he was unlucky to have an accident and other injuries.

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[Koal-84]

Will Marquez really retire?
The news I read in the local media said that he has not recovered from concussion due to a fall while practicing motocross in October 2021. Upon further examination, the doctor also found problems with his vision. Even the Repsol Honda manager has hinted without Marquez at the start of the 2022 season.
If it happens, of course, this is a problem. Moto GP will again lose riders in productive age. But hopefully Marquez will recover soon, he is a rider who is starting to look better after his hand injury. But unfortunately it seems like he was unlucky to have an accident and other injuries.

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Personally, I think it's quite possible that Marc might retire if he doesn't get completely fit and can match the performance of his best MotoGP years. Marquez is not the type who wants only to ride, but he wants to win every race, if the body does not play along, I can imagine a retirement.

[dustboy]

Will Marquez really retire?
The news I read in the local media said that he has not recovered from concussion due to a fall while practicing motocross in October 2021. Upon further examination, the doctor also found problems with his vision. Even the Repsol Honda manager has hinted without Marquez at the start of the 2022 season.
If it happens, of course, this is a problem. Moto GP will again lose riders in productive age. But hopefully Marquez will recover soon, he is a rider who is starting to look better after his hand injury. But unfortunately it seems like he was unlucky to have an accident and other injuries.

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Personally, I think it's quite possible that Marc might retire if he doesn't get completely fit and can match the performance of his best MotoGP years. Marquez is not the type who wants only to ride, but he wants to win every race, if the body does not play along, I can imagine a retirement.

This is not the first time I hear a rumor of Marc's retirement. There was the same rumor last year when he got the injuries after the race in Spain if I remember it correctly. The current rumor is getting bigger because the problem seems to be bigger for Marc but I hope there is a better and faster way for him to get fully recovered. Losing a rider as caliber him will be very big losing for the whole MotoGP industry.

[sana54210]

I hate that everyone acts as if Lewis is an Angel and Max is the devil. Not that I am defending Max, he is terrible and cheeky and dirty racer, if we watched penna or schumi today then everyone would be mad about them too by the looks of it. The part that I have a problem with is how people act as if Lewis had no idea what he was doing and just crashed and "why would anyone crash knowingly??? Specially someone with 7 world titles would know what to do!!!" and act as if he is innocent little baby that we need to hold preciously.

Hamilton knew EXACTLY what he was doing, he didn't mean to crash of course, he could have go right pass Max with that speed, it was super easy, anyone could have done it, hell Mazepin would overtake Latifi in that situation, Lewis didn't because he knew it was coming to DRS zone and if he did then Max would have taken it back.

So max did a dirty bad thing, and lewis did a dirt bad thing in response and since they both didn't fall for each others, that resulted with a crash. Simple as that. They are both dirty, if you ask me neither deserves the win. If it was up to me, I would have made this between Ferrari leclerc vs Mclaren Norris and it would have been 100x cleaner and better to watch.

[Koal-84]

I hate that everyone acts as if Lewis is an Angel and Max is the devil. Not that I am defending Max, he is terrible and cheeky and dirty racer, if we watched penna or schumi today then everyone would be mad about them too by the looks of it. The part that I have a problem with is how people act as if Lewis had no idea what he was doing and just crashed and "why would anyone crash knowingly??? Specially someone with 7 world titles would know what to do!!!" and act as if he is innocent little baby that we need to hold preciously.

Hamilton knew EXACTLY what he was doing, he didn't mean to crash of course, he could have go right pass Max with that speed, it was super easy, anyone could have done it, hell Mazepin would overtake Latifi in that situation, Lewis didn't because he knew it was coming to DRS zone and if he did then Max would have taken it back.

So max did a dirty bad thing, and lewis did a dirt bad thing in response and since they both didn't fall for each others, that resulted with a crash. Simple as that. They are both dirty, if you ask me neither deserves the win. If it was up to me, I would have made this between Ferrari leclerc vs Mclaren Norris and it would have been 100x cleaner and better to watch.

Exactly to the point. Hamilton makes the same mistakes under pressure, but he hasn't had any pressure since Rosberg, the first year since Rosberg that he's had an opponent on a par, he's won 4 to 5 of his world titles almost without competition. Hamilton knows exactly what he's doing and puts physical pressure on his opponents, but he's more experienced at it and clearly has luck on his sie this years.

[Bilgent]

I have heard some news claiming that Jos Verstappen made a statement like Verstappen is ready for giving his best for winning the title. This could mean anything at this point.    Verstappen wouldn't be scared of pushing his luck for the title in this race. Hamilton should get ready for every kind of attack in this race. Because I believe that the last race was a sign for it.

[Jackl87]

I have heard some news claiming that Jos Verstappen made a statement like Verstappen is ready for giving his best for winning the title. This could mean anything at this point.    Verstappen wouldn't be scared of pushing his luck for the title in this race. Hamilton should get ready for every kind of attack in this race. Because I believe that the last race was a sign for it.

Of course Verstappen will try everything to become the world champion. This would be his first title and with the new cars coming in the next season no one knows where they will stand then. So you can never know if you have another shot for the championship title in the near future again. Also i think the statement of Verstappens father is really nothing special and i don't think that it indicates that he would also do illegal or shady things like provoking a crash to take hamilton out of the race, not because he would not do such things but simply because everyone is watching him so closely now and i don't think he is stupid enough to do such things in the last race.

[tokeweed]

What a way to end the season.  Winner takes all between Hamilton and Verstappen.    I’m guessing Verstappen shows quick pace in qualifying and flawless laps in Q3 giving him pole position with Hamilton obv behind him.  Verstappen did show he could’ve gotten it at the Saudi Arabia GP if he didn’t get to aggro.

Verstappen to win at quali is at 2.75...  That’s a nice value bet imho.  What do you guys think?

[bounceback]

Personally, I think it's quite possible that Marc might retire if he doesn't get completely fit and can match the performance of his best MotoGP years. Marquez is not the type who wants only to ride, but he wants to win every race, if the body does not play along, I can imagine a retirement.

Yes, it is true that Marquez is one of the racers who really wants to win every race series, not to be an entertainer rider, last March Marquez said he would decide to retire at a young age if his performance was no longer competitive, hopefully Marquez can quickly recover from the injury he suffered during This is so that we don't lose any more MotoGP legends after Rossi.

[Cnut237]

It's hard to say, but I don't think Verstappen will intentionally cause an accident

The betting odds I've seen make Lewis and Max joint most likely to not be classified, and the betting companies are usually pretty good at anticipating the likelihood of these events. I think there's a strong suspicion that Max might cause a double-DNF, and they're adjusting the odds to stop people like me from putting money on it.

I mean, normally, those two would be most likely to be classified, surely, not least likely.

[coinlocket$]

According to rumors, Verstappen will use the same Power Unit for the last gp while Hamilton has some doubt...

It seems impossible to me but whatever...

Source https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-piloti/power-unit-abu-dhabi-verstappen-non-cambia-dubbio-hamilton-red-bull-mercedes-596523.html

[coderben]

I wonder who do you think that he deserved to win the title in F1 very much this season? And do you think that he has been far better than the other one so far? If I'm to answer these questions, my answers would be like this: I think that Verstappen deserved a little more than Hamilton. I can't say that the gap is big because both of them have been really great so far. Hamilton were really awesome especially in the last a few races. So I don't think that one of them is far better than the other. Whoever wins the title, I'm still going to congratulate him.

[AndySt]

I have heard some news claiming that Jos Verstappen made a statement like Verstappen is ready for giving his best for winning the title. This could mean anything at this point.    Verstappen wouldn't be scared of pushing his luck for the title in this race. Hamilton should get ready for every kind of attack in this race. Because I believe that the last race was a sign for it.

Of course Verstappen will try everything to become the world champion. This would be his first title and with the new cars coming in the next season no one knows where they will stand then. So you can never know if you have another shot for the championship title in the near future again. Also i think the statement of Verstappens father is really nothing special and i don't think that it indicates that he would also do illegal or shady things like provoking a crash to take hamilton out of the race, not because he would not do such things but simply because everyone is watching him so closely now and i don't think he is stupid enough to do such things in the last race.

Nevertheless, I hope that the last stage will take place in a more or less pure struggle, and I am even more confident in this. It is clear that at any outcome of the race there will be dissatisfied participants, but the most important thing is to avoid absolutely dirty actions such as intentional accidents. According to the previous race, it was perfectly clear that Hamilton was afraid of a collision like fire and this played a cruel joke on him, that on the contrary, because of this, there was contact with Verstappen at the end of the race, fortunately for Lewis, which did not end with fatal damage to the car. I think that Verstappen and Red Bull will try to repeat the tactics as in Saudi Arabia, when the car will be set up more to win qualifying than for the race itself and the main goal will be to get in front of Hamilton at the start and then try to hold the position.

[ILuckyGuyI]

While we are getting close to the race weekend every day, I'm starting get even more excited. I really missed to see a big rivalry for the championship continuing even in the last race. According to the information I got somewhere, this situation happened 28 times. 18 of them ended up with the victory of the leader before the race. And the rest of them ended up with the triumph of the driver at the second place in the driver standings. I hope that Verstappen will make it.

[blue Snow]

Will Marquez really retire?
The news I read in the local media said that he has not recovered from concussion due to a fall while practicing motocross in October 2021. Upon further examination, the doctor also found problems with his vision. Even the Repsol Honda manager has hinted without Marquez at the start of the 2022 season.
If it happens, of course, this is a problem. Moto GP will again lose riders in productive age. But hopefully Marquez will recover soon, he is a rider who is starting to look better after his hand injury. But unfortunately it seems like he was unlucky to have an accident and other injuries.

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Personally, I think it's quite possible that Marc might retire if he doesn't get completely fit and can match the performance of his best MotoGP years. Marquez is not the type who wants only to ride, but he wants to win every race, if the body does not play along, I can imagine a retirement.

This is not the first time I hear a rumor of Marc's retirement. There was the same rumor last year when he got the injuries after the race in Spain if I remember it correctly. The current rumor is getting bigger because the problem seems to be bigger for Marc but I hope there is a better and faster way for him to get fully recovered. Losing a rider as caliber him will be very big losing for the whole MotoGP industry.

He was still young if have to retire now. And as I know vision problems are vital for racers with must have to clear around the line which not harms himself, but also the others racer. I know any countries out there have the laser treatment to recover it, but it still depends on how bad. this also makes an advantage for another racer, Mark is one strong competitor in the next years, if he retired it make the competition is not tight.

[tokeweed]

According to rumors, Verstappen will use the same Power Unit for the last gp while Hamilton has some doubt...

It seems impossible to me but whatever...

Source https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-piloti/power-unit-abu-dhabi-verstappen-non-cambia-dubbio-hamilton-red-bull-mercedes-596523.html

But if Verstappen has his car's power unit changed, he'll have a 5 car grid penalty.  Would the new power unit really give much more pace that Red Bull would be willing to take that risk?  I think I'm with Hamilton.  Mercedes got RBR by the ropes and it's Hamilton's championship to lose now.

Should be a fun start of the race.