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[Davian144]

Quartararo won the Mugello series last year, this proves that he can be strong at this circuit but it is true that the many straights are very advantageous for Bagnaia who rides an above average speed Ducati. but what Quartararo has done to reach podium 2 is extraordinary. it's just a matter of losing motor speed, not Quartararo skill.
Quartararo still standing at the top of the standings is inseparable from his consistency in each series, I think he is a strong candidate to become world champion again in 2022.

Fabio Quartararo actually has a few skills that other Yamaha riders don't have. You can clearly see how the achievements of the other Yamaha riders this season are not even reliable at all in some of the races that have taken place this season.
So in this case Fabio Quartararo deserves to be called extraordinary because he was able to fight the Ducati riders who were actually very fast at Mugello despite not being able to catch Bagnaia with the very fast factory Ducati Bike and Bagnaia also saved Ducati face at that time by giving victory at home.

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[Roman_Picisan]

I don't think so, quite the opposite. After undergoing surgery it will be very difficult for Marc to return to his best form. especially if he is going to get a long rest really it will be more difficult.
Moto gp racers will not be able to return to their best performance after suffering a serious injury, it has been proven since ancient times and Marc Marquez is also experiencing it today. he has slumped in the last 2 seasons, at the age of 30 I think Marc Marquez will not return to the way he used to be, who was able to dominate and was nicknamed "baby alien"
Marquez era has ended. now we will be greeted by the charming appearance of the young racers.

Don't break our spirits. Rossi was also faced with after surgery he was able to get up, or do you still remember the case of Fabio on the arm pump, who lost hand strength due to injury, everything still has an effect but MM must have a trick to get back to the podium.

[Koal-84]

A big blow for Yamaha, they lose their satellite team RNF (formerly Petronas Yamaha). RNF now has a deal with Aprilia, at the moment the Aprilia is definitely an upgrade to the Yamaha at the moment, which only Fabio can ride fast. Next year Yamaha will only get more data from 2 riders to improve the bike.

Possibly Yamaha will go to Rossi and try the VR46 team, Rossi already has a partnership with Yamaha.

https://the-race.com/motogp/yamaha-loses-motogp-satellite-team-as-rnf-signs-with-aprilia/

[tokeweed]

But things still can change - Ferrari made protest about Perez and Vertappen crossing line on pit exit.

Well they were right but RBR is protected by the F1, both drivers deserved a penalty for that.

Oh c'mon...  But Ferrari needs to own up to their own strategic mistakes too.  And it's not just in this race or in this season.  If you remember Vettel had a season that he had a chance to win the driver's championship too.  Part of it was the driver's fault but there were times it was there were mistakes on part of the team.  Under pressure in Monaco, they couldn't keep it together.  It's just as simple as that.  Let's move on to the next race.

Anyway here's the replay of the team radio that made me laugh during the race.  It was cut to hear only Leclerc's voice live.  But after the race and seeing how disappointed he was, I couldn't help but remember Vettel and how disappointed he was with his team.  Wishing Leclerc to win the next one.

Charles Leclerc's uncensored audio and in-car camera on that pit stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDpPJC5mIg

[Roman_Picisan]

A big blow for Yamaha, they lose their satellite team RNF (formerly Petronas Yamaha). RNF now has a deal with Aprilia, at the moment the Aprilia is definitely an upgrade to the Yamaha at the moment, which only Fabio can ride fast. Next year Yamaha will only get more data from 2 riders to improve the bike.

Possibly Yamaha will go to Rossi and try the VR46 team, Rossi already has a partnership with Yamaha.

https://the-race.com/motogp/yamaha-loses-motogp-satellite-team-as-rnf-signs-with-aprilia/

This reminds Rossi of having won the Yamaha satellite team, if we remember recently the satellite team also broke the highest top speed record (Jorge Martin) even though it was not from the Yamaha satellite.

[coinlocket$]

We may have another GP in the USA.

This time is New York, they are thinking about it, and not clear if already asked it officially FIA.


With the American owners, we will have more and more GPs in the USA and it is not a bad thing if the tracks are beautiful over GPs like Monaco, Imola, Hungary...

[bestcoins1]

Don't break our spirits. Rossi was also faced with after surgery he was able to get up, or do you still remember the case of Fabio on the arm pump, who lost hand strength due to injury, everything still has an effect but MM must have a trick to get back to the podium.

The injury suffered by Marquez is very different from the injury suffered by other riders such as Valentino Rossi and Fabio Quartararo so it became very difficult for Marquez himself to achieve victory because this year he has not gotten a podium once.

A big blow for Yamaha, they lose their satellite team RNF (formerly Petronas Yamaha). RNF now has a deal with Aprilia, at the moment the Aprilia is definitely an upgrade to the Yamaha at the moment, which only Fabio can ride fast. Next year Yamaha will only get more data from 2 riders to improve the bike.

That's true because the owner of the RNF team himself also sees a very good opportunity on the Aprilia bike which has been very good this year with 4 third podiums over the last 4 races and has won the race once in Argentina this year.

Possibly Yamaha will go to Rossi and try the VR46 team, Rossi already has a partnership with Yamaha.

From some rumors circulating, mastercampvr46 will be brought in to become a Yamaha satellite team one day, considering the Mooneyvr46 team still has a contract with Ducati. But so far there is no clarity on this so that Yamaha can only ensure 2 motorbikes on the MotoGP grid next year.

[swogerino]

We may have another GP in the USA.

This time is New York, they are thinking about it, and not clear if already asked it officially FIA.


With the American owners, we will have more and more GPs in the USA and it is not a bad thing if the tracks are beautiful over GPs like Monaco, Imola, Hungary...

I agree.When USA organizes an event it is in their nature to exaggerate in order to make it look more beautiful than it is and I love this.We have seen in previous USA GP-s that this is always the case and the more tracks from the USA the more spectacle is guaranteed.We had a race at Miami this season and it was a great one,can't wait for that Las Vegas GP which should be the best of all American GP-s and it would be even more exaggerated than these other tracks that we already have in the USA.

[wiss19]

Well they were right but RBR is protected by the F1, both drivers deserved a penalty for that.

Oh c'mon...  But Ferrari needs to own up to their own strategic mistakes too.  And it's not just in this race or in this season.  If you remember Vettel had a season that he had a chance to win the driver's championship too.  Part of it was the driver's fault but there were times it was there were mistakes on part of the team.  Under pressure in Monaco, they couldn't keep it together.  It's just as simple as that.  Let's move on to the next race.

Anyway here's the replay of the team radio that made me laugh during the race.  It was cut to hear only Leclerc's voice live.  But after the race and seeing how disappointed he was, I couldn't help but remember Vettel and how disappointed he was with his team.  Wishing Leclerc to win the next one.

Charles Leclerc's uncensored audio and in-car camera on that pit stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDpPJC5mIg

Honestly the fact that they were that late to tell him to stay out should be good enough of a reason to understand why Ferrari is bad. It is not just about them making a mistake by calling him to box, it is also about the fact that they didn't even realize he was already in and told him to stay out when he was right there. That should be good enough of a reason to know that they are not a good team.

If I were the CEO of Ferrari racing, I would just fire everyone from bottom to the top and get new people, like you said this is basically the same team that cost Vettel a championship, and this is the team that will cause Charles to lose championship as well.

[Koal-84]

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A big blow for Yamaha, they lose their satellite team RNF (formerly Petronas Yamaha). RNF now has a deal with Aprilia, at the moment the Aprilia is definitely an upgrade to the Yamaha at the moment, which only Fabio can ride fast. Next year Yamaha will only get more data from 2 riders to improve the bike.

That's true because the owner of the RNF team himself also sees a very good opportunity on the Aprilia bike which has been very good this year with 4 third podiums over the last 4 races and has won the race once in Argentina this year.

Possibly Yamaha will go to Rossi and try the VR46 team, Rossi already has a partnership with Yamaha.

From some rumors circulating, mastercampvr46 will be brought in to become a Yamaha satellite team one day, considering the Mooneyvr46 team still has a contract with Ducati. But so far there is no clarity on this so that Yamaha can only ensure 2 motorbikes on the MotoGP grid next year.

For me it is as good as fixed that Yamaha will start next year with only one team, the probability that a big financier will come and can/will afford the whole Suzuki crew (if that would be possible at all  ) is unlikely for me but it should not be impossible, the Suzuki crew basically loses their jobs with the end of the season?

How long does the VR46 team have a contract with Ducati at MotoGP? But I as VR46 wouldn't change to Yamaha at the moment and Rossi knows the weaknesses of the Yamaha and has actively criticised the very slow development progress, he would definitely change to a worse bike now.

[Juggy777]

Well they were right but RBR is protected by the F1, both drivers deserved a penalty for that.

Oh c'mon...  But Ferrari needs to own up to their own strategic mistakes too.  And it's not just in this race or in this season.  If you remember Vettel had a season that he had a chance to win the driver's championship too.  Part of it was the driver's fault but there were times it was there were mistakes on part of the team.  Under pressure in Monaco, they couldn't keep it together.  It's just as simple as that.  Let's move on to the next race.

Anyway here's the replay of the team radio that made me laugh during the race.  It was cut to hear only Leclerc's voice live.  But after the race and seeing how disappointed he was, I couldn't help but remember Vettel and how disappointed he was with his team.  Wishing Leclerc to win the next one.

Charles Leclerc's uncensored audio and in-car camera on that pit stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDpPJC5mIg

Honestly the fact that they were that late to tell him to stay out should be good enough of a reason to understand why Ferrari is bad. It is not just about them making a mistake by calling him to box, it is also about the fact that they didn't even realize he was already in and told him to stay out when he was right there. That should be good enough of a reason to know that they are not a good team.

If I were the CEO of Ferrari racing, I would just fire everyone from bottom to the top and get new people, like you said this is basically the same team that cost Vettel a championship, and this is the team that will cause Charles to lose championship as well.

@tokeweed this kind of behaviour from Ferrari is unacceptable at this stage, and the management really needs to send a warning to the staff perform or perish. Also I hope that they won’t repeat such errors again this season, but if they do then like @wiss19 said the CEO definitely needs to fire the staff because they simply won’t be good enough to work for Ferrari.

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For me it is as good as fixed that Yamaha will start next year with only one team, the probability that a big financier will come and can/will afford the whole Suzuki crew (if that would be possible at all  ) is unlikely for me but it should not be impossible, the Suzuki crew basically loses their jobs with the end of the season?

I haven't thought about it now, although what you said is true because the crew from Suzuki factory will lose their job for next year, but for reliable mechanics or reliable crew will also get another job next year even though it's no longer in Suzuki. Because other manufacturers are also looking at some people in Suzuki who can be used for the team.

How long does the VR46 team have a contract with Ducati at MotoGP?

I had read in the local media that "Valentino Rossi's MotoGP team will use Ducati motorcycles from 2022. The cooperation contract will last 3 years." _{(Source: https://otomotifnet.gridoto.com/read/232758160/sah-tim-balap-motogp-milik-valentino-rossi-gunakan-ducati-mulai-2022).}

Well, if you look at it since the first time Valentino Rossi's team was on the MotoGP grid, now is the second year they are on the MotoGP grid because last year Valentino Rossi's team had collaborated with the Esponsorama Racing team to be in MotoGP and this year the team has Valentino Rossi has stood independently with the bike they use is Ducati because his contract with Ducati is still not finished.

[Koal-84]

For me it is as good as fixed that Yamaha will start next year with only one team, the probability that a big financier will come and can/will afford the whole Suzuki crew (if that would be possible at all  ) is unlikely for me but it should not be impossible, the Suzuki crew basically loses their jobs with the end of the season?

I haven't thought about it now, although what you said is true because the crew from Suzuki factory will lose their job for next year, but for reliable mechanics or reliable crew will also get another job next year even though it's no longer in Suzuki. Because other manufacturers are also looking at some people in Suzuki who can be used for the team.

How long does the VR46 team have a contract with Ducati at MotoGP?

I had read in the local media that "Valentino Rossi's MotoGP team will use Ducati motorcycles from 2022. The cooperation contract will last 3 years." _{(Source: https://otomotifnet.gridoto.com/read/232758160/sah-tim-balap-motogp-milik-valentino-rossi-gunakan-ducati-mulai-2022).}

Well, if you look at it since the first time Valentino Rossi's team was on the MotoGP grid, now is the second year they are on the MotoGP grid because last year Valentino Rossi's team had collaborated with the Esponsorama Racing team to be in MotoGP and this year the team has Valentino Rossi has stood independently with the bike they use is Ducati because his contract with Ducati is still not finished.

I also think that the employees of the Suzuki team will find other jobs, for an investor it would be easy to create a new team with the employees of the "almost" entire Suzuki team. The developers in Japan will stay with Suzuki. The advantage of the current employees is that they will no longer have a contract clause if they move to another team.

It's easily possible that the Ducati contract with V46 runs for 3 years and I don't think Rossi would break contracts unilaterally, I'm not sure anymore but as a rider he always kept his contracts?

[Jackl87]

We may have another GP in the USA.
This time is New York, they are thinking about it, and not clear if already asked it officially FIA.
With the American owners, we will have more and more GPs in the USA and it is not a bad thing if the tracks are beautiful over GPs like Monaco, Imola, Hungary...

One of the big goals when the new owners took over the Formula 1 from Bernie Ecclestone was to make the Formula 1 as a product more attractive for the north american viewers because that is pretty much the only reason where the Formula 1 is not really popular yet. This is also the reason i guess why the races are now starting 2 hours later in comparison to the years before, so the race is not starting in the early morning for viewers from america.
So it would definitely make sense if they would try to add a second grand prix in the United states to the race calendar and even though it is not perfect for me because i am from europe and the race will start in the late evening i would still prefer a cool new race track over Monaco any time, because that always is the most boring race possible.

[DukeNickle]

The competition level is getting higher and higher by every race in Formula 1 now. Verstappen has already managed to get past Leclerc in the driver standings by nine points if I'm not mistaken. Perez has also joined the race for the championship also by his great victory in the Monaco GP. Ferrari drivers started to stumble recently and it costs them big. Sainz was great in the last race but Leclerc had a very unlucky race because of a bad team call. Leclerc shouldn't have pitted at the same time with Sainz there. We also heard how angry Leclerc was with his team.

The great thing is, Max passed Charles and didn't finish two races, he would have been much more ahead if he finished those races, I am not even saying if he won, if he was second or even third he would have been ahead a lot more points. All in all both teams are struggling with these new cars.

We have seen teams keep having trouble at the start of the season, but now we are seeing stuff that are smaller, it is not like the first races where it was obvious big differences, but they are usually smaller stuff that decide the race winner by an inch. So all in all I have to say that it is not going to be an easy task to beat RB but RB could end up failing as well.

Yeah Max would really have become more ahead of Leclerc in the standings now. Red Bull had a bad start to this season and they were even struggling to prepare a car that can finish a race. Max was going to collect important points if he didn't have that kind of problems. Ferrari's problem recently is not related to the car fully. They made a huge tactical mistake in the Monaco GP which cost Leclerc losing the lead. Sainz on the other hand made simple individual mistakes for some weeks and he was out of the race. In the coming races, I expect Leclerc and Sainz both to be more consistent.

[tokeweed]

We may have another GP in the USA.

This time is New York, they are thinking about it, and not clear if already asked it officially FIA.


With the American owners, we will have more and more GPs in the USA and it is not a bad thing if the tracks are beautiful over GPs like Monaco, Imola, Hungary...

I agree.When USA organizes an event it is in their nature to exaggerate in order to make it look more beautiful than it is and I love this.We have seen in previous USA GP-s that this is always the case and the more tracks from the USA the more spectacle is guaranteed.We had a race at Miami this season and it was a great one,can't wait for that Las Vegas GP which should be the best of all American GP-s and it would be even more exaggerated than these other tracks that we already have in the USA.

I wouldn't really call the Miami GP a 'great one'.  I mean it was ok but nothing great like what it would be in Belgium or Silverstone...  And even the Japanese and Singaporean GP's?  Dunno, I guess it depends on the guy watching.  But in the US, I don't mind the track at Texas. 

And yup, curious what the Las Vegas GP would look like.  Hopefully it's a night race as Vegas looks kinda dirty at day time.    And when London GP?  That could have the makings of great imho.

[coinlocket$]

Oh c'mon...  But Ferrari needs to own up to their own strategic mistakes too.  And it's not just in this race or in this season.  If you remember Vettel had a season that he had a chance to win the driver's championship too.  Part of it was the driver's fault but there were times it was there were mistakes on part of the team.  Under pressure in Monaco, they couldn't keep it together.  It's just as simple as that.  Let's move on to the next race.

Anyway here's the replay of the team radio that made me laugh during the race.  It was cut to hear only Leclerc's voice live.  But after the race and seeing how disappointed he was, I couldn't help but remember Vettel and how disappointed he was with his team.  Wishing Leclerc to win the next one.

Charles Leclerc's uncensored audio and in-car camera on that pit stop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMDpPJC5mIg

Was it a mistake? Sure.
Was it a Ferrari Mistake? Not so sure, to me was a Sainz mistake.
About RBR, did they go against the rules? Sure
Should they get both a penalty? Sure
Did they "change" the regulation for the second time after gifting the title to Max the past year? Yes.

[bitgolden]

I wouldn't really call the Miami GP a 'great one'.  I mean it was ok but nothing great like what it would be in Belgium or Silverstone...  And even the Japanese and Singaporean GP's?  Dunno, I guess it depends on the guy watching.  But in the US, I don't mind the track at Texas. 

And yup, curious what the Las Vegas GP would look like.  Hopefully it's a night race as Vegas looks kinda dirty at day time.    And when London GP?  That could have the makings of great imho.

I do agree that Miami GP is not great "right now", but it is obvious that they are working on it and maybe they were a bit too late on this one but they will be focusing on making it better next year. We have seen the fake blue "sea" like situations, believe me when I say this, they will actually build ponds there filled with real water and make it a real thing.

We haven't seen a thing that is good enough from them this year but I am hoping that Miami will keep on spending insane amount of money to get a lot more money out of this. Texas is definitely much better, last year the weekend total was like 400k+ viewers there, so it will not be that close.

[coinlocket$]

I wouldn't really call the Miami GP a 'great one'.  I mean it was ok but nothing great like what it would be in Belgium or Silverstone...  And even the Japanese and Singaporean GP's?  Dunno, I guess it depends on the guy watching.  But in the US, I don't mind the track at Texas. 

And yup, curious what the Las Vegas GP would look like.  Hopefully it's a night race as Vegas looks kinda dirty at day time.    And when London GP?  That could have the makings of great imho.

For sure not but probably better than Monaco and Hungary for the possibility of overtaking.

Tracks where the overtake is not possible should not exist in F1 but only on Go-Kart

[Koal-84]

This weekend is MotoGP in Spain again, Catalunya was always the favourite track for Marquez and Lorenzo to win, this time neither of them is actively present and I don't trust the penultimate winner Dovizioso to win. I think the Ducatis are the favourites again and Fabio and Aleix also have a chance of the podium and victory.

Fabio has signed a new 2 year contract with Yamaha and is certainly motivated.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/06/02/breaking-quartararo-signs-new-two-year-deal-with-yamaha/423817