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[boltz]

I don't know why Marc is trying to get back in his glory shape, because we can all see that it is not possible anymore and he should retire if he really cares about his health and life. Right now , the fact that he is trying and pushing himself and doesn't get results , will only make him more reckless in his driving and with that arm suffering a 3rd or 4th intervention , he should really listen to doctors and simply retire as he's already a legend in moto gp.

[Koal-84]

Yes, I think Marc's career is over, I don't think he will be able to continue his successes after his serious injury.

There are many accurate examples in the past where riders who have suffered serious injuries are no longer competitive in terms of performance in the race so the same thing will probably be experienced by Marc this season as well as next season.

After the qualifying there are no surprises for me, the currently best 3 drivers are again at the front of the starting-lineup. Will be an exciting race I think.

The 3 riders who are on the front grid today are those who got on the podium in last week's race at Mugello, so for today's race it will obviously be very fierce because considering that the three of them must always hunt for the highest podium in order to get more points due to the distance points fellow racers in the standings while not so much.

Once wait and see how Marc is really doing after the surgery, but don't think he will come back as strong as before after this injury series, but just wait and see.

The 3 riders on the front row are also the favorites for the world title, only Aleix is a surprise but I like for Aprilia.

[Koal-84]

Very bitter for Bagnaia in the fight for the world championship, innocently crashed. But that's just the way it is when bad luck comes along. So the victory today will probably be decided between Aleix and Fabio. Once wait and see whether the tires hold with all, track temperature is over 55 degrees Celsius.

[panjul07]

What should we feel about Aleix Espargaro? He loss some points because he thought that the race was finished already while in fact there was 1 last lap need to go.
He celebrated too early, he felt that he took the 2nd position already but he was really wrong.
I have no idea why he did such a small mistake but with a huge impact for him.
It is funny moment, unfortunate moment but also a really sad moment for A. Espargaro.

[LGD2Business]

The accident on the first lap was spoiled, all three riders were out of the race. Then there were accidents and the number of finishers decreased. But the highlight of the day was Aleix Espargaró, who slowed down thinking the race was over. There was still one more lap in the race, but he started to take a victory lap as if the race was over. The lack of headphones for team communication in Moto GP causes such incidents. It was a tragic event. Congratulations to Fabio Quartararo, who won the race.

[Luzin]

Congratulations Quartararo you are the champion today, you shot far ahead and your race went perfectly. Currently Fabio has 147 pins a difference of 22 points from espargaro. Mybe if Espargaro not make fatal eror the gap is small point. 
The funny thing is Espargaro, you're celebrating in an inopportune time. There was still one lap left, he was already waving his hands confidently because he was about to take the podium. I laughed at this, although when I saw him crying I was also sad. Espargaro's fatal error earned him a fifth-place finish.

[indah rezqi]

I thought at that time he had a problem with the bike, but apparently he didn't know he was on the last lap. How ridiculous.
But because of this incident, A. Espargaro became the most discussed rider.
Congratulations to Fabio Quartararo with an average top speed of 337Km/h, being able to outperform his opponent by 6 seconds.

[wmaurik]

Once wait and see how Marc is really doing after the surgery, but don't think he will come back as strong as before after this injury series, but just wait and see.

I don't think that Marc will be as strong as he used to be after recovering from his 4th operation, because every rider who has been injured will always find it difficult to get back to their best in MotoGP.

The 3 riders on the front row are also the favorites for the world title, only Aleix is a surprise but I like for Aprilia.

Today Aprilia looks really amazing because she is able to compete for the 2nd podium, but unfortunately Alex Espargaro was too excited that he forgot that the race still has one lap left.

Very bitter for Bagnaia in the fight for the world championship, innocently crashed. But that's just the way it is when bad luck comes along. So the victory today will probably be decided between Aleix and Fabio. Once wait and see whether the tires hold with all, track temperature is over 55 degrees Celsius.

Bagnaia was just unlucky to get hit by Nakagami's crash which means Bagnaia has to accept the consequences, because it was an unintentional accident.
And after that Nakagami was immediately taken to the hospital for a check on his body and health.

[bitzizzix]

The accident on the first lap was spoiled, all three riders were out of the race. Then there were accidents and the number of finishers decreased. But the highlight of the day was Aleix Espargaró, who slowed down thinking the race was over. There was still one more lap in the race, but he started to take a victory lap as if the race was over. The lack of headphones for team communication in Moto GP causes such incidents. It was a tragic event. Congratulations to Fabio Quartararo, who won the race.

The collision itself started when the race was just starting Takaaki Nakagami made a mistake, and he was too fast at the first corner and made him crash into Alex Rins and Francesco Bagnaia. And it was reported that Rins and Nakagami were taken to the medical center.
Very unexpected with what happened to Aleix Espargaro and perhaps communication problems that kept him out of focus, and congratulations also to Fabio Quartararo for being the race leader in the Catalunya MotoGP.

[Koal-84]

I thought at that time he had a problem with the bike, but apparently he didn't know he was on the last lap. How ridiculous.
But because of this incident, A. Espargaro became the most discussed rider.
Congratulations to Fabio Quartararo with an average top speed of 337Km/h, being able to outperform his opponent by 6 seconds.

I was really wondering, what was going on with Aleix? Fortunately for him, he realized early enough that it's not over yet and that he still has one lap to go. I'm curious whether the Aprilia team is make a joke and the next race gives him the message on the dashboard "Last lap" or "One Mode Lap Aleix".

 

[karabiber]

As the Catalonia GP will take place in hot weather conditions handling was expected to be a big problem and drivers were expected to experience rear tire problems in particular. There was a drama in the last round. Aleix Espargaro entered the final lap in second place but was slowed down after the first corner. At that point it was thought to be a mechanical problem but the he thought the race was over and therefore slowed down. The Spaniard then realized that the race was continuing and stepped on the gas again. It was down to sixth place at the time. Quartararo on the other hand completed the race without fail and achieved victory.

[barbara44]

Alex Albon bringing the only points to a Williams car in many years, even in a car that is so bad that they had to give Latifi a place in order to get some money, is the epitome of talent. Dude deserved to keep that RBR seat, but I get it, he doesn't bring in that much money, maybe Perez doesn't neither but Perez is a great defender whereas Albon was a bit more attacking and they already had Max, so they didn't needed another offensive minded racer, but needed a second that would help Max, not force him or risk him.

But, Albon should get a decent ride again, maybe Mclaren after Daniel leaves, which I am assuming shouldn't be really too far off by the looks of it.

[coinlocket$]

Alex Albon bringing the only points to a Williams car in many years, even in a car that is so bad that they had to give Latifi a place in order to get some money, is the epitome of talent. Dude deserved to keep that RBR seat, but I get it, he doesn't bring in that much money, maybe Perez doesn't neither but Perez is a great defender whereas Albon was a bit more attacking and they already had Max, so they didn't needed another offensive minded racer, but needed a second that would help Max, not force him or risk him.

But, Albon should get a decent ride again, maybe Mclaren after Daniel leaves, which I am assuming shouldn't be really too far off by the looks of it.

Yup Ricciardo is at high risk of losing his seat.

In the list of leaving F1 drivers, we also have Vettel (he wanted to retire this yeah but after that idea, he looked at his salary...)

[Republikcoin.com]

I thought at that time he had a problem with the bike, but apparently he didn't know he was on the last lap. How ridiculous.
But because of this incident, A. Espargaro became the most discussed rider.
Congratulations to Fabio Quartararo with an average top speed of 337Km/h, being able to outperform his opponent by 6 seconds.

If you look at the top speed that is on Yamaha, then it is the lowest top speed for now even though the Yamaha satellite team like the one driven by Darryn Binder has a smaller top speed than the factory Quartararo motorbike. But Quartararo is actually able to provide extraordinary performance and outperform all Ducati motorcycles with a top speed of 342Km per hour.

I was really wondering, what was going on with Aleix? Fortunately for him, he realized early enough that it's not over yet and that he still has one lap to go. I'm curious whether the Aprilia team is make a joke and the next race gives him the message on the dashboard "Last lap" or "One Mode Lap Aleix".

 

It could be a mistake in sending a message on the dashboard to Aleix that made him very happy and it's possible that Aleix didn't get to see on the information board that he was still in Last Laps instead of Finish.

[wmaurik]

As the Catalonia GP will take place in hot weather conditions handling was expected to be a big problem and drivers were expected to experience rear tire problems in particular. There was a drama in the last round. Aleix Espargaro entered the final lap in second place but was slowed down after the first corner. At that point it was thought to be a mechanical problem but the he thought the race was over and therefore slowed down. The Spaniard then realized that the race was continuing and stepped on the gas again. It was down to sixth place at the time. Quartararo on the other hand completed the race without fail and achieved victory.

No one complained about the rear tire problem despite the hot weather conditions in Catalunya because the teams knew what rear tire to wear in such conditions. And Quartararo who was able to finish the race with a win without a fight or obstacle was because he had a pretty good lap time in each lap so he was able to leave his opponents with a very large gap. And this is proof that Yamaha can still win without having more power like Ducati on the straights.

[Bitinity]

It could be a mistake in sending a message on the dashboard to Aleix that made him very happy and it's possible that Aleix didn't get to see on the information board that he was still in Last Laps instead of Finish.

He admits that he is the one who made the mistake, he did wrong lap calculation. Other reason is that he found it difficulty to see the pitboard from his team because it is located in the 1st row from the last corner. The one that I cant really understand is that there should be a finish flag for the last lap and there was no finish flag when he celebrated too early. He loss 9 points because of this silly mistake, an advantage for Quartararo obviously. 

[Republikcoin.com]

He admits that he is the one who made the mistake, he did wrong lap calculation. Other reason is that he found it difficulty to see the pitboard from his team because it is located in the 1st row from the last corner. The one that I cant really understand is that there should be a finish flag for the last lap and there was no finish flag when he celebrated too early. He loss 9 points because of this silly mistake, an advantage for Quartararo obviously. 

Yes, it was a mistake that was very rare for other riders in the past and I'm personally only seeing it now, because it's a funny but true model of error, along with an apology from Aleix Espargaro to his team that I read through the local media

“This is an impossible mistake to make. I don't remember that the tower here last lap was marked L0 and I didn't see my mark ( Pit Board) , I'm really sorry. This is 100% my fault, I have a (Pit Board) mark and I have to see this, I have no excuse. We were in a fight and coming out of the corner, my Pit Crew was pretty close to the first corner, I didn't have much time to look at it. I only saw a gap with Jorge Martin, but it's my fault." _{(gpmaniac.id)}

[Koal-84]

He admits that he is the one who made the mistake, he did wrong lap calculation. Other reason is that he found it difficulty to see the pitboard from his team because it is located in the 1st row from the last corner. The one that I cant really understand is that there should be a finish flag for the last lap and there was no finish flag when he celebrated too early. He loss 9 points because of this silly mistake, an advantage for Quartararo obviously. 

Yes, it was a mistake that was very rare for other riders in the past and I'm personally only seeing it now, because it's a funny but true model of error, along with an apology from Aleix Espargaro to his team that I read through the local media

“This is an impossible mistake to make. I don't remember that the tower here last lap was marked L0 and I didn't see my mark ( Pit Board) , I'm really sorry. This is 100% my fault, I have a (Pit Board) mark and I have to see this, I have no excuse. We were in a fight and coming out of the corner, my Pit Crew was pretty close to the first corner, I didn't have much time to look at it. I only saw a gap with Jorge Martin, but it's my fault." _{(gpmaniac.id)}

In the following article it is explained how it came to the error (you also weiter ist with Lap 0), Vinales describes that the Barcelona GP is very peculiar in the display, as soon as the leader goes into the last lap is Lap on 0. That is according to the article only in Barcelona so, for whatever reason, that was this time simply human error, but in the world championship are important points that have been lost for Aleix.

https://www.speedweek.com/motogp/news/193328/Aleix-Espargaro-(Aprilia)-Die-Erklaerung-des-Dramas.html

[tokeweed]

Alex Albon bringing the only points to a Williams car in many years, even in a car that is so bad that they had to give Latifi a place in order to get some money, is the epitome of talent. Dude deserved to keep that RBR seat, but I get it, he doesn't bring in that much money, maybe Perez doesn't neither but Perez is a great defender whereas Albon was a bit more attacking and they already had Max, so they didn't needed another offensive minded racer, but needed a second that would help Max, not force him or risk him.

But, Albon should get a decent ride again, maybe Mclaren after Daniel leaves, which I am assuming shouldn't be really too far off by the looks of it.

Yup Ricciardo is at high risk of losing his seat.

In the list of leaving F1 drivers, we also have Vettel (he wanted to retire this yeah but after that idea, he looked at his salary...)

What do you mean 'he looked at his salary'?  You saying Vettel is one greedy sob who only cares about money?  Didn't he accept a pay cut to be with Aston Martin?  And if you mean he needs more money then nope.  I think after signing multiple lucrative contracts with Red Bull and with Ferrari, I don't think he needs more money.  He's doing it for the love of being an F1 driver.  I wouldn't be surprised if he takes another pay cut to slide in Ricciardo's spot at McLaren.  And I hope he does...  

And how come Verstappen is slight favorite to win at Azerbaijan?  He's lined at 2.10 and Leclerc is at 2.75?  I think the books have it wrong and they're suffering from recency bias.

[swogerino]

Alex Albon bringing the only points to a Williams car in many years, even in a car that is so bad that they had to give Latifi a place in order to get some money, is the epitome of talent. Dude deserved to keep that RBR seat, but I get it, he doesn't bring in that much money, maybe Perez doesn't neither but Perez is a great defender whereas Albon was a bit more attacking and they already had Max, so they didn't needed another offensive minded racer, but needed a second that would help Max, not force him or risk him.

But, Albon should get a decent ride again, maybe Mclaren after Daniel leaves, which I am assuming shouldn't be really too far off by the looks of it.

Yup Ricciardo is at high risk of losing his seat.

In the list of leaving F1 drivers, we also have Vettel (he wanted to retire this yeah but after that idea, he looked at his salary...)

What do you mean 'he looked at his salary'?  You saying Vettel is one greedy sob who only cares about money?  Didn't he accept a pay cut to be with Aston Martin?  And if you mean he needs more money then nope.  I think after signing multiple lucrative contracts with Red Bull and with Ferrari, I don't think he needs more money.  He's doing it for the love of being an F1 driver.  I wouldn't be surprised if he takes another pay cut to slide in Ricciardo's spot at McLaren.  And I hope he does...  

And how come Verstappen is slight favorite to win at Azerbaijan?  He's lined at 2.10 and Leclerc is at 2.75?  I think the books have it wrong and they're suffering from recency bias.

Ah how I wish he would come to McLaren,would love to see a great driver,a 4 times world Champion joining McLaren which although it doesn't look like they are in great shape,it is only the first year with the new regulations and maybe they will improve dramatically for the next year.I have always loved to see a classy driver like Vettel is to race for McLaren.

No the bookies are not wrong,Redbull has great power at full speed and as far as I know the Baku circuit is a fast track.I would normally rate both drivers with the same odd as it will be only their bravery who will decide for who will be the winner,both Ferrari and Redbull as cars are great and in this track I think their performance to be nearly the same,for this we have to wait on Friday.