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[Cnut237]

The halo has already saved the life of Hamilton before in the crash with Verstappen a couple of years ago when the Verstappen car stopped right ahead of Lewis head. That was a scary moment,and yesterday too it was because of the halo as we saw the car to make a lot of meters with the driver upside down and then jumping off the fence,scary moment.To think that most of the drivers were against it when it was implemented in the year 2016 if I recall correctly.

Yes, the halo has proven to be the best innovation in F1 for a long time. It has definitely saved lives, and yes including that incident where Verstappen parked on top of Lewis's head, and then flounced off in a rage without bothering to check if Lewis was still alive.

Yesterday race although started boring it immediately became interesting for different events that happened,but overall Redbull remains the car to be beaten no matter good gains by Mercedes.

Another bad luck day for Leclerc. It must be difficult for him to remain motivated with how this season is going. Max seems unstoppable at the moment, unless Ferrari get their act together. Nice for Sainz to get his first win though, I suppose.

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The number of MotoGP riders who won the podium in the first 11 races of the 2022 season is 13 riders, including:

1. Enea Bastianini (Three Podium)
2. Brad Binder (One Podium)
3. Pol Espargaro (One Podium)
4. Miguel Oliveira (One Podium)
5. Fabio Quartararo (Six Podium)
6. Johann Zarco (Four Podium)
7. Aleix Espargaro (Five Podium)
8. Jorge Martin (Two Podium)
9. Alex Rins (Two Podium)
10. Jack Miller (Three Podium)
11. Francesco Bagnaia (Three Podium)
12. Marco Bezzecchi (One Podium)
13. Maverick Vinales (One Podium) _{Source: gpracingindonesia}

In the first half of this season, the one who got the most podiums was Fabio Quartararo with a collection of 6 podiums. And let's see together whether they will all dominate on the podium in the second half of the season in early August 2022

[Luzin]

In the first half of this season, the one who got the most podiums was Fabio Quartararo with a collection of 6 podiums. And let's see together whether they will all dominate on the podium in the second half of the season in early August 2022

No dominance in eleven races. it's like last season. Of course Aleix Espargaro is a favorite competitor for Quartararo. Their points are getting closer because of the last draw Quartararo fell. Luckily Espargaro was still able to continue the race and finish in fourth position. Of course I'm sure the second half is still Quartararo and Aleix Espargaro who will be the favorites in every race. Although there are likely to be a lot of surprises due to the difference in motor power.

[swogerino]

In the first half of this season, the one who got the most podiums was Fabio Quartararo with a collection of 6 podiums. And let's see together whether they will all dominate on the podium in the second half of the season in early August 2022

No dominance in eleven races. it's like last season. Of course Aleix Espargaro is a favorite competitor for Quartararo. Their points are getting closer because of the last draw Quartararo fell. Luckily Espargaro was still able to continue the race and finish in fourth position. Of course I'm sure the second half is still Quartararo and Aleix Espargaro who will be the favorites in every race. Although there are likely to be a lot of surprises due to the difference in motor power.

I was a big fan of MotoGP before when big names were competing here,like Biaggi,Rossi,Lorenzo,Pedrosa and Marquez together with Stoner and Dovizioso at some point.These guys made me watch every race full of emotions while before the race I was impatient until the time for the race to come on Sunday.I have tried to watch again a couple of MotoGP races and I didn't find them as entertaining as they were when the big names mentioned above made races extremely beautiful and enjoyable to watch.I guess MotoGP needs new names,these ones that are racing now do not transmit to me even 10% of the emotions I felt when watching races with the names of riders above.

[tokeweed]

Sainz was the slower of the top 4 drivers of the day and he manage to win the race.

Disaster Ferrari with Leclerc, he was faster than Sainz with a damaged car and they failed the call for the pit box.

Have you forgotten that Verstappen was way slower after some technical problem with his car after pitting.  If it didn't happen he would've won the race easy.  So Ferrari got lucky there.  And they got lucky twice.  Verstappen took P1 at the start of the race before the huge crash. 

Next race at Austria should be interesting with Verstappen not winning the last one.  Books still have him ahead at 1.85, Leclerc at 3.50 and Sainz, Perez both at 10.10 and 10.60 respectively.

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Sainz was the slower of the top 4 drivers of the day and he manage to win the race.

Disaster Ferrari with Leclerc, he was faster than Sainz with a damaged car and they failed the call for the pit box.

Have you forgotten that Verstappen was way slower after some technical problem with his car after pitting.  If it didn't happen he would've won the race easy.  So Ferrari got lucky there.  And they got lucky twice.  Verstappen took P1 at the start of the race before the huge crash. 

Next race at Austria should be interesting with Verstappen not winning the last one.  Books still have him ahead at 1.85, Leclerc at 3.50 and Sainz, Perez both at 10.10 and 10.60 respectively.

Well not sure so easily, even Leclerc was faster than Hamilton and Sainz with a damaged car.

But yeah Ferrari got luck with Sainz.

[el kaka22]

I would guess that Charles with the pit stop instead of Sainz would have mean that Charles would have won the race, it's quite obvious to me. Yes, it may look like he wasn't that good by the end of it, but at the same time dude had one of the older tires while everyone else had fresh tires. This is why I believe that we are not going to be able to say who would have won if X happened and what would have happened if Y happened.

If Verstappen didn't slow down due to body damage, and Charles got in instead of Sainz, they would have been 1-2 that is for sure, which one would be one and which one would be two, I do not know but they would be ahead of everyone else for sure.

[swogerino]

I would guess that Charles with the pit stop instead of Sainz would have mean that Charles would have won the race, it's quite obvious to me. Yes, it may look like he wasn't that good by the end of it, but at the same time dude had one of the older tires while everyone else had fresh tires. This is why I believe that we are not going to be able to say who would have won if X happened and what would have happened if Y happened.

If Verstappen didn't slow down due to body damage, and Charles got in instead of Sainz, they would have been 1-2 that is for sure, which one would be one and which one would be two, I do not know but they would be ahead of everyone else for sure.

Yes.It was a mistake from Ferrari by not pitting Charles but going with Carlos.Charles has been hit a lot of times from the Ferrari pit mistakes and honestly I admire him how he is still that psychologically strong after all that have happened to him in a consecutive way,he was DNF for car failures a couple of times and some other couple of times from Ferrari mistakes,and all of these in a consecutive way putting his Championship contender position at a huge risk.Now even Sainz is fighting in theory for the title.It will be interesting to see the next race but Redbull was the fastest car out there with Verstappen in this last race and only because he hit something with his car he ruined his race otherwise he would have won.

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No dominance in eleven races. it's like last season. Of course Aleix Espargaro is a favorite competitor for Quartararo. Their points are getting closer because of the last draw Quartararo fell. Luckily Espargaro was still able to continue the race and finish in fourth position. Of course I'm sure the second half is still Quartararo and Aleix Espargaro who will be the favorites in every race. Although there are likely to be a lot of surprises due to the difference in motor power.

The motor power is definitely different and what has been seen in the past and also in 11 races this season is a very real and interesting thing where Quartararo is still able to win races with only minimal power which is even the slowest when compared to his competitors . But he is still able to get points and win races, just imagine if the power of his motorbike can be very balanced with his competitors, there will definitely be more wins that he (Quartararo) will get in the second half.

I was a big fan of MotoGP before when big names were competing here,like Biaggi,Rossi,Lorenzo,Pedrosa and Marquez together with Stoner and Dovizioso at some point.These guys made me watch every race full of emotions while before the race I was impatient until the time for the race to come on Sunday.I have tried to watch again a couple of MotoGP races and I didn't find them as entertaining as they were when the big names mentioned above made races extremely beautiful and enjoyable to watch.I guess MotoGP needs new names,these ones that are racing now do not transmit to me even 10% of the emotions I felt when watching races with the names of riders above.

It's really a shame because in the past where Dorna still hasn't implemented some new rules for MotoGP such as uniform ECU for all manufacturers and restrictions on fuel and a single tire supplier. After these three things were implemented by Dorna into MotoGP, it was very visible how the results of the race were running with the audience who no longer had emotions and enthusiasm for the current MotoGP. Because there are some races that run like a touring that makes the audience sleepy.

[Distraction]

We are in another race week right now. The next station is the Austria GP. This time we have a sprint race also which is very important for especially the championship contenders. Leclerc had a really bad race last week because of Ferrari team. Their bad decisions caused him to be even out of the podium. They just did everything they can to make Sainz win the race instead of Leclerc. When one of your drivers is close to the championship race you should prioritize him in critical moments. I hope they don't mess up things again this week.

[Jackl87]

Have you forgotten that Verstappen was way slower after some technical problem with his car after pitting.  If it didn't happen he would've won the race easy.  So Ferrari got lucky there.  And they got lucky twice.  Verstappen took P1 at the start of the race before the huge crash. 
Next race at Austria should be interesting with Verstappen not winning the last one.  Books still have him ahead at 1.85, Leclerc at 3.50 and Sainz, Perez both at 10.10 and 10.60 respectively.

You are right that Verstappen was pretty unlucky in the last race and he definitely did not enjoy racing last weekend. If i remember correctly, then he has lost pieces of his underbody chassis which had severe impacts on the balance of the car which made it like half a second slower per lap than it usually is. He almost lost the 7th position to Schumacher close to the end of the race, so i think Verstappen did as well as he could under this circumstances.
Leclerc was unlucky again too though, he stayed out when the last Safety car came and therefore Sainz and Perez could easily overtake him with their new tyres. I am happy for Sainz for his first win, but Leclerc just has no luck at the moment.

[tokeweed]

Sainz was the slower of the top 4 drivers of the day and he manage to win the race.

Disaster Ferrari with Leclerc, he was faster than Sainz with a damaged car and they failed the call for the pit box.

Have you forgotten that Verstappen was way slower after some technical problem with his car after pitting.  If it didn't happen he would've won the race easy.  So Ferrari got lucky there.  And they got lucky twice.  Verstappen took P1 at the start of the race before the huge crash.  

Next race at Austria should be interesting with Verstappen not winning the last one.  Books still have him ahead at 1.85, Leclerc at 3.50 and Sainz, Perez both at 10.10 and 10.60 respectively.

Well not sure so easily, even Leclerc was faster than Hamilton and Sainz with a damaged car.

But yeah Ferrari got luck with Sainz.

Yeah not too easy, I guess but you saw how Verstappen took P1 from Sainz at the start of the race and he was basically coasting away from the cars behind him.  It would've been easy imho if not for the red flag.

Anyway the books are putting up funny lines again.  Leclerc is a slight favorite at quali at 2.10 vs Verstappen's 2.35.  But for the race it's still close to the odds I posted a day ago.  1.83 now for Verstappen and 3.55 for Leclerc.  Surely Leclerc knows what to do now...  3.55?  I think it could hit.  What do you guys think?

[Zackgeno96]

In any case, it is a lot more fun to watch than previous seasons. Then Hamilton was dominant every year. Last year Verstappen became world champion, but it was every race between those 2. Now at the start of the race you have the feeling that both drivers of both Red Bull and Ferrari can win the race. In principle, Verstappen and Leclerc start every race as favorites, but the engine of both teams has already started a few times. Will there be a comeback from Mercedes?

[1kodumtek7]

This season in F1 has been really fun so far. With the new cars things have started to change significantly for some teams. Mercedes have got behind Red Bull and Ferrari a lot and they are still like that now. Ferrari must have the biggest horsepower among the cars in the grid now however Red Bull still manage to finish ahead of them. There have been some issues for both teams but Red Bull are doing better when it comes to making decisions that are important for the championship. Ferrari have failed people about that these days and I will be waiting for if they will do that again in the Austria Grand Prix this weekend.

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Yeah not too easy, I guess but you saw how Verstappen took P1 from Sainz at the start of the race and he was basically coasting away from the cars behind him.  It would've been easy imho if not for the red flag.

Anyway the books are putting up funny lines again.  Leclerc is a slight favorite at quali at 2.10 vs Verstappen's 2.35.  But for the race it's still close to the odds I posted a day ago.  1.83 now for Verstappen and 3.55 for Leclerc.  Surely Leclerc knows what to do now...  3.55?  I think it could hit.  What do you guys think?

Yes, but he started with the red tires so he had a lot more grip due to the hotter tires.

And we don't know how long those tires could be used, Max was the only one with red tires.

[dezoel]

I just learned on reddit that the first ever F1 that Zhou's family attended was this one :/ That is a damn shame, they wanted to see their kid race in F1 live for the first time, and for a short span I am sure that they were afraid their kid was gone, literally dead.

That type of scare could leave a huge scar in a family, even if Zhou came out of that without even a scratch, dude was literally ready to race again if you gave him a car, he was THAT healthy, which goes to show you have safe these cars are. But even with that, seeing such a thing must have been traumatic for the family. I hope that they could find comfort in the fact that even after such a horrible looking crash, he was out.

[Velvet78]

We are in the middle of the season now. Leclerc is still 43 points behind Verstappen for the championship and Perez is also another hindrance for him to get over. The result of the previous race would have been much different for Leclerc if the team didn't do meaningless things for him. Leclerc has another race ahead to hope for melting the gap with Verstappen this week. However it is really difficult to find a chance for him like Verstappen would have a really bad race. However Leclerc can still win an extra advantage in the sprint race also.

[alegotardo]

We are in the middle of the season now. Leclerc is still 43 points behind Verstappen for the championship and Perez is also another hindrance for him to get over. The result of the previous race would have been much different for Leclerc if the team didn't do meaningless things for him. Leclerc has another race ahead to hope for melting the gap with Verstappen this week. However it is really difficult to find a chance for him like Verstappen would have a really bad race. However Leclerc can still win an extra advantage in the sprint race also.

It's a shame to see that Leclerc "left" the race when Verstapen was 13 seconds behind his rival.
Even so, I believe that the Dutchman has a real chance to take that position and go on to victory. But... every circuit is a surprise and there is no way to predict anything in F1.
I think it is very difficult for Lecler to win, despite the impressive result in this last race (until he leaves), in a general scenario Leclerc is not doing very well.

[swogerino]

We are in the middle of the season now. Leclerc is still 43 points behind Verstappen for the championship and Perez is also another hindrance for him to get over. The result of the previous race would have been much different for Leclerc if the team didn't do meaningless things for him. Leclerc has another race ahead to hope for melting the gap with Verstappen this week. However it is really difficult to find a chance for him like Verstappen would have a really bad race. However Leclerc can still win an extra advantage in the sprint race also.

The sprint race is really important as that is the qualifying in this round.In a track like this one where Redbull is racing at home it will be extremely important for Ferrari to start in front of Redbull otherwise it will be very difficult for them to pass them in the race because we know in the race distance Redbull so far is the fastest car.In these tracks we are racing now,medium to slow speed ones it is vital for Ferrari to win in these tracks in order to keep fighting for the F1 title because after such tracks we will move to very fast ones like SPA,Monza and a couple others where Redbull will be a huge favorite,so if Ferrari does not win in these upcoming somewhat slow tracks it can be the end of their fight for the title.

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In terms of the number of victories, Valentino Rossi is still the most even though Giacomo Agostini is the one who is able to win 15 world titles in MotoGP.
The question is whether Marc Marquez is able to overtake the number of wins for both of them (Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini) after he recovers from surgery and returns to racing as usual?
Because considering that Valentino Rossi and Giacomo Agostini have both retired and become legends in MotoGP, there will be no additional wins for both of them.