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[FanEagle]

I think Ricciardo has some hope of becoming second driver there, or maybe even that is a definite plan that we just don't know about yet.
Ricciardo knew he would never have a chance of being champion alongside Verstappen, so he left the team for Renault in 2019 where he stayed for two years before switching to McLaren in 2021. While at Renault he had difficulties at first, but he managed to get by. recover, the same did not happen at McLaren. Not getting along with the car, Ricciardo had his last year of contract canceled and ended up getting worse.
I think that's why he preferred to go back to the house where he feels more confident and try to build his career there again.

I feel like he probably won't be. Let’s remember that Daniel Ricciardio is older than Perez, which means Red Bull would be looking to hire someone that would be younger, and can race with Max all his career hopefully, someone around 20-23 years old when they hire the new driver.

I understand Perez cannot be with Max for another 10 years, which means they need to hire someone younger. Daniel is not that person, he has that "hope" and I get that, and they wanted a reserve driver that would be good too, and that’s why they hired him, but it’s just not that easy of a situation. It cannot be just Perez leaves and Dany starts racing, that would only be good for like 1-2 seasons at best.

[Velvet78]

Because of that incident between Verstappen and Perez, Leclerc managed to finish the season ahead of Perez. This is not good for Red Bull as a result. Maybe they would rethink of continuing with Perez next season as well. Because there is a possibility that things might get worse next season. Perez seems really angry with Verstappen's attitude against him.

I can't say that Verstappen and Ricciardo also have a good history. But Ricciardo doesn't seem like he has the same ambition in the past. Maybe this time they would get along and do even better than the times they had Perez.

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Here we go again, for Binotto it should be the last day as chief of Ferrari.



Source: https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/25-11-2022/f1-ferrari-binotto-e-finita-in-arrivo-le-dimissioni-del-team-principal.shtml

[swogerino]

Here we go again, for Binotto it should be the last day as chief of Ferrari.



Source: https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/25-11-2022/f1-ferrari-binotto-e-finita-in-arrivo-le-dimissioni-del-team-principal.shtml

Well he has had enough time to show a true change in Ferrari that are not winning the title since that distant year of 2007 when their last driver to win it was the legendary Kimmi Raikkonen and even at that time it was more merit of the bad clashes between Alonso and Hamilton in their first year together as team mates at McLaren that they lost it for 1 point.

The official calendar of F1 was up in F1 instagram social media and what made me impression is that we are finishing the 2023 season in the Americas with penultimate race in Las Vegas and the last race in Mexico City,a drastic change from ending it in Abu Dhabi as we usually do.

[Pulsar77]

I don't think that Binotto has been the main problem at Ferrari but it is their choice in the end. Because I believe the main problem has been related to the crew instead. The pit crew have made so many mistakes so far and Ferrari definitely need to make changes there. Because of unforgettable mistakes, Leclerc and Sainz both have been affected in a really bad way. Of course this isn't the only reason for Ferrari to become unsuccessful this season. But the crew have a big share in this.

Let's see how much the Binotto change will affect the team. This will bring about a new crew as well of course. I hope that they are doing the right thing. They can't take another bad season without having their lesson from this one.

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Small news, they halved the preseasonal test on the track   for F1

We will have only 3 days and it will be in  Sakhir, from 23rd to 25th of February

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We will have to be patient for a few more months before the new season of F1 starts again. It was a fun season, but also very boring because Max actually won everything easily. It is also unprecedented how many matches he has won. No one is going to do that anytime soon. Red Bull seems to me to be the top favorite for the coming season, but it will be more exciting than last season. But that cannot be otherwise, of course. What can we expect from Mercedes and Hamilton? I wonder if they can bring their car up for good this time. That was good in the last race, but it took a long time.

[Koal-84]

Here we go again, for Binotto it should be the last day as chief of Ferrari.

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Source: https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/25-11-2022/f1-ferrari-binotto-e-finita-in-arrivo-le-dimissioni-del-team-principal.shtml

Is it already a done deal that Binotto is leaving or are these still rumours? I don't think he did a bad job (many strategic decisions were wrong but did they come from him or rather from the Ferrari strategists?), and at Ferrari it's always not enough without a world championship title.

[swogerino]

Here we go again, for Binotto it should be the last day as chief of Ferrari.

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Source: https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/25-11-2022/f1-ferrari-binotto-e-finita-in-arrivo-le-dimissioni-del-team-principal.shtml

Is it already a done deal that Binotto is leaving or are these still rumours? I don't think he did a bad job (many strategic decisions were wrong but did they come from him or rather from the Ferrari strategists?), and at Ferrari it's always not enough without a world championship title.

Yes it is not enough but once you repeat this every year without a title it emphasizes even more to the Ferrari ownership so it is a confirmed decision I believe.He was the chairman of the technical department for so many years and he failed to bring a title to the Ferrari despite this year being really close.Now I believe that a new face is needed to be the director of such department and new ideas should be welcome as long as they promise of delivering results,he Binotto promised a winning car to Alonso and did not deliver,he promised the same to Vettel and did not deliver,now of course he should back down from his place and let it to be run by someone who can truly keep their promise to the drivers,a winning car,just that.

[tokeweed]

^  What do you mean?  Binotto wasn't team principal for Ferrari until the year 2019.  If he's going to step down, he should likely be back to his role back as the chief technical officer.  But if you're saying that he should totally be given the sack then who should replace him?  I've said this before but I'll say it again, I think it's going to be a mistake.  I'm sure some of you would disagree just because, but ok..  A part of me wants to see Binotto get the sack just to see if I'm right or not.  Lol.  It's going to be a big loss for Ferrari, I feel like.

[püsür]

Maybe he thinks he can beat Max.

Riccardo is a great driver, back in day he won many races on RBR, the problem is that I don't think RBR wants to have a competitive driver in a competitive car who can race against MAX.

Never put 2 lions in the same cage.


The history speaks for itself,

Rosberg-Hamilton 2016
Alonso-Hamilton 2007
Senna-Prost '90

Ricciardo logic is very strange for me. He left Red Bull as he didn't wanted to be 2nd driver, as they preferred Verstappen. He also didn't wanted to reace for team which isn't very competetive, like Haas. And now he joins Red Bull just to be 3rd driver. I don't know what to think about it.
As much as I like Perez, he didn't reached his and team goal of seaon - end 2nd in driver's championship. It seems that he have more ambitions than to be back wing of Verstappen, but it's more than obvious that Red Bull won't let him to fight with Max for the title. You said very well that it's not good idea to have 2 lions in same cage. But for me it seems that sooner or later driver who have role just to help for leader, sooner or later become pissed off.

I don't think Redbull is too happy with Sergio Perez. After all, verstappen is in the 1st driver position. Whoever comes next to Verstappen will be the 2nd pilot.

However, it will be expected to show a certain performance in its 2nd pilot. At Mercedes, although Bottas had better results than Sergio Perez, he still was not accepted in the team. Naturally, it may not be accepted by Sergio Perez.

Next season he will be at the top of Sergio Perez. This will either increase his performance or next season the redbull 2nd pilot seat will be riccardio's. Like every human being, their ideas and behaviors can change. It is unnecessary to make fun of him by saying that he said so 5 years ago. Anyway, he's one of the best drivers on the grid. I hope he will adapt to the car quickly and we will see him on the track again in 2024.

[swogerino]

^  What do you mean?  Binotto wasn't team principal for Ferrari until the year 2019.  If he's going to step down, he should likely be back to his role back as the chief technical officer.  But if you're saying that he should totally be given the sack then who should replace him?  I've said this before but I'll say it again, I think it's going to be a mistake.  I'm sure some of you would disagree just because, but ok..  A part of me wants to see Binotto get the sack just to see if I'm right or not.  Lol.  It's going to be a big loss for Ferrari, I feel like.

If there is no better replacement then maybe it is going to be an error but the fact that Ferrari is not winning a title from the distant year of 2007 says a lot about how the team is being managed,not in the best way I would say and there has been some changes in the direction with Binotto also being promoted in 2019 but he was there a lot of years before so in this context I think his time has come only if the replacement will bring better result to the team.Unfortunately for this year he took all the blame despite the team strategy being screwed up by other members but since he is the principal those people are there with his approval so it is normal all the rage to be geared toward him.In this context I think this year has been really bad for Ferrari starting as heavy favorites and losing because of terrible mistakes.

[emrecemsan]

Mick Schumacher is getting close to Mercedes day by day. There are already news about this on some websites like the Mick transfer is done for Mercedes. But I didn't see any official statement by Mercedes side yet. But Mick is very likely to be their third driver in the near future. As Ricciardo is going to Red Bull as the third driver his probability to join Mercedes has finished. By the way it would have been better for him to go to Mercedes instead of returning to Red Bull but let's see.

I'm happy for Mick that he didn't need to wait for some time to get an offer from any team. Because in addition to Haas' parting ways with him, he wasn't going to be a part of Ferrari academy team any longer as well. Now he will need to be patient until Hamilton retires. He can still race for Mercedes when one of the drivers isn't able to race as well of course.

[el kaka22]

It makes sense to send away Binotto but that's not going to be enough. Not all mistakes were made by him, considering they had race engineers and pit stop staff and strategy people and so forth, they need a whole change.

Pit could wait, that is not a rush, but the race engineer and strategy people need to change asap, Binotto is a good start but they need at least 1 or 2 good people on strategy that can make good calls otherwise they are going to end up with more and more unexpected losses. This year Charles could have finished with nearly 100 more points if they were smarter about when to pit and what to pick for tires, that's it, simple stuff for f1 level of strategy people.

[Davian144]

It could be said that this year the Japanese motorcycle manufacturers experienced a decline in performance. Both in the MotoGP arena and in the WSBK event and this has raised concerns from two people who have been in the MotoGP paddock and one of them is a former MotoGP racer. They are Brivio and Rossi who are both concerned about Japanese manufacturers over the slowing progress of Japanese manufacturers.

Over the last almost five decades, brands from Japan have dominated the 500cc and MotoGP classes. In 1975, Giacomo Agostini became world champion with Yamaha. The era of Italy, which has ruled relentlessly since 1952, is over. Until the end of 2021, all Japanese motorbike riders sit as world champions with one exception. The anomaly occurred in 2007, when Casey Stoner was with Ducati. In the 2022 season, the Borgo Panigale squad won again with Francesco Bagnaia.
[reference]: https://id.motorsport.com/motogp/news/

[swogerino]

It could be said that this year the Japanese motorcycle manufacturers experienced a decline in performance. Both in the MotoGP arena and in the WSBK event and this has raised concerns from two people who have been in the MotoGP paddock and one of them is a former MotoGP racer. They are Brivio and Rossi who are both concerned about Japanese manufacturers over the slowing progress of Japanese manufacturers.

Over the last almost five decades, brands from Japan have dominated the 500cc and MotoGP classes. In 1975, Giacomo Agostini became world champion with Yamaha. The era of Italy, which has ruled relentlessly since 1952, is over. Until the end of 2021, all Japanese motorbike riders sit as world champions with one exception. The anomaly occurred in 2007, when Casey Stoner was with Ducati. In the 2022 season, the Borgo Panigale squad won again with Francesco Bagnaia.
[reference]: https://id.motorsport.com/motogp/news/

I think one year of losing does not mean that they are on the decline.It may happen that for that particular year Italian manufacturers like Ducati and others have worked better and their riders have been performing better,you cannot blame only the manufacturer,Marquez a great rider despite being heavily damaged when returned in the last races showed that the Honda brand was still good enough under his ride able to lead many laps.

We have to see if the same occurs for other 2 consecutive seasons and if Japanese brands do not do that well then we can say that we are seeing slowly a decline but judging from just one year is not correct.

[tokeweed]

^  What do you mean?  Binotto wasn't team principal for Ferrari until the year 2019.  If he's going to step down, he should likely be back to his role back as the chief technical officer.  But if you're saying that he should totally be given the sack then who should replace him?  I've said this before but I'll say it again, I think it's going to be a mistake.  I'm sure some of you would disagree just because, but ok..  A part of me wants to see Binotto get the sack just to see if I'm right or not.  Lol.  It's going to be a big loss for Ferrari, I feel like.

If there is no better replacement then maybe it is going to be an error but the fact that Ferrari is not winning a title from the distant year of 2007 says a lot about how the team is being managed,not in the best way I would say and there has been some changes in the direction with Binotto also being promoted in 2019 but he was there a lot of years before so in this context I think his time has come only if the replacement will bring better result to the team.Unfortunately for this year he took all the blame despite the team strategy being screwed up by other members but since he is the principal those people are there with his approval so it is normal all the rage to be geared toward him.In this context I think this year has been really bad for Ferrari starting as heavy favorites and losing because of terrible mistakes.

Binotto is a good engineer.  It's just Mercedes was dominating F1 due to their engine advantage after the sport's switch to the V6 engines.  But they did almost win during 2018.  If not for some of Vettel's errors and esp in Germany, of all places, I think they would've won the title.  

Ferrari needs a good team principal and a good race strategist.  The race strategist they have now is a clown.  There were races when ot was Sainz told the team what to do.  Lol.

[dezoel]

There are some talks about Sebastian Vettel taking a little break at first, but then becoming a team principle.

I know that Horner and Toto is solid at where they are and won't change, but if it is possible then Ferrari, or even Aston Martin that he left, or any other team that takes him could really have a huge chance. This dude is the epitome of a great driver who understands the car, like Lewis for example is a great racer, but he is great racer behind the wheel, but when he is out, he is just a fashion icon or whatever, whereas Vettel understands the car itself just like an engineer as well and that could really turn a team into a marvellous future if he can be hired.

[Luzin]

I read the 2023 Moto GP calendar, though it's still a long way to go. The opening in Portugal will be on March 26. For this year there are two name countries which are the new organizers of Kazakhstan and India. There are a total of 21 races for this season.

Source: https://www.boxrepsol.com/es/motogp/ya-hay-calendario-provisional-de-motogp-para-2023/

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It is official now, Binotto is out the new leader will be announced not before the 2023.

What a day for Jonh Elkann, in 12 hours he changed the lead of Ferrari and Juventus, both societies under his holding, Exor.