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[Volgastallion]

Charles Leclerc had a wonderful race despite not having anything he could do against Verstappen at a point. He did his best but lost to him due to car difference in the first place. When it comes to driver skills I can say Verstappen is the best on the grid now as well. I wouldn't like to disrespect other very skilled and experienced drivers as well of course. 

Anyway coming back to the race Leclerc's great attack against Perez there really deserved applauding. He must have given his 100% in this race to have the best result he could. Perez seemed really thoughtful right after the race.

Its incredible how dominant this RedBull car is, with his front wing damage he still cut the gap and surprases Leclerc without so much effort, i know Max is a super driver, but that car is out of this competition.
For ferrari still good to see they find something good in the car so they can keep working for the next year.

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[coinlocket$]

Already time for another Gp.
And this will be the last one of the season.

They will race in Abu-Dhabi

[swogerino]

Already time for another Gp.
And this will be the last one of the season.

They will race in Abu-Dhabi

I doubt we will see anything different from this track,we remember 2021 in here where it was a phenomenal race that saw Verstappen get that very much contested title,I think though now things are different and I doubt Ferrari or Mercedes would fight to stop Redbull and Verstappen dominance of this year.

Most likely it will be a boring race unless some Safety Car comes in and changes things dramatically but even so this season has been extremely boring and it shows by the statistics,20 races won by Redbull.

[Koal-84]

What a disaster for Martin, his odds right now are so low.

It is almost impossible now for him to win.

It will be very difficult for Martin now, there are still 37 points to be awarded, but firstly Martin has to win both races and secondly Bagnaia would have to have two very bad races or two crashes which I don't think will happen, unless there is not a big surprise Bagnaia will win the World Championship title in Valencia.

[Bitinity]

What a disaster for Martin, his odds right now are so low.

It is almost impossible now for him to win.

It will be very difficult for Martin now, there are still 37 points to be awarded, but firstly Martin has to win both races and secondly Bagnaia would have to have two very bad races or two crashes which I don't think will happen, unless there is not a big surprise Bagnaia will win the World Championship title in Valencia.

I do not follow MotoGP much this year but I'm interested to find some news especially after what happened in the last race. Martin was great in the Sprint Race but failed to show his best in the Main Race. I have no idea what happened to him, but he did a bad start and he could not even compete for the top 5 although he tried to do it in the first few laps. Bagnaia has better chance obviously because he needs 16 points only which can be earned by finish on 5th both in the sprint and main race. With the current situation, I think the only way for Martin to win the world champion is if Bagnaia crashed in Valencia and Martin win both the last sprint and main race next Sunday.

[Davian144]

The first podium fight was very interesting yesterday and was won by Fabio Di Giannantonio and the first podium for him in the MotoGP class, for Zarco and Marquez yesterday they were very good at controlling Martin by not passing him and several times I saw Zarco make way for Martin without giving the slightest resistance. like Fabio Di Giannantonio who gave resistance to Bagnaia.

I will see what drama will happen this week in Valencia as the closing round of MotoGP this season, because next weekend Jorge Martin will try to win in every session to prevent Bagnaia from becoming world champion again this season, even though it looks like it will be very difficult for him , considering that Bagnaia's distance in points is starting to get quite large.

it's true that it's almost impossible for martin to get the motogp world championship. as i said, martin has good talent like bagnaia, but he has the wrong team which is holding back his performance and making him almost fail to get the world championship title this season.

It is also less logical to blame the team when a rider who already has talent finds it difficult to become world champion, because teams like Pramac Racing only provide motorbikes that match the ones they purchased through the Ducati Factory. So the problem was Jorge Martin himself, who didn't start the race correctly when he started the race.

this weekend's race will determine whether martin or bagnaia will be the winner. bagnaia only needs 4 more points than martin to secure the world championship title. and for martin, he just needs a miracle so bagnaia can't finish the race and sprint, and then he can win the world championship title.

Bagnaia's chances of becoming world champion at the moment are certainly greater, whereas Martin just has to win in every session in order to prevent Bagnaia from becoming champion while hoping that Bagnaia doesn't get points in the sprint and main race. So it will be quite difficult because Bagnaia doesn't need to hunt for a podium in order to become world champion.

[aylabadia05]

21 points difference with Martin from 7 points before the race.
Moto2, podiums 1,2,3 belong to Spanish riders. MotoGP, 1,2,3 belongs to Italian riders.
Bagnaian's decision in Valencia.

At Valencia, Bagnaia will no longer be so stressed, although he won't have to relax because there are still unexpected possibilities he will have to face there. Moreover, Johan Zarco and Marquez might cause a little drama as seen in yesterday's race, but I prefer the fighting style that Fabio Di Giannantonio has on an old motorbike to the 2023 version of the motorbike ridden by Bagnaia. However, I also have to appreciate Bagnaia's efforts, who led the race for many laps even though he made a small mistake with three laps left in the race.

The 2023 title already belongs to Bagnaia. Do you agree?
For Martin and Bagnaia, in Valencia there is still a sprint race which can provide points before the race.
Bagnaia already knows what he has to do in the final race. Likewise, Martin already knows what needs to be done with the difference in points he has with Bagnaia.
Racing in Qatar, Martin appeared in a performance that he himself did not want.

By the way, regarding Marc Marquez when he was about to congratulate Fabio Di Giannantonio, did you notice that he doesn't look like a rider who has never been world champion.

[Davian144]

The 2023 title already belongs to Bagnaia. Do you agree?

Yes, I agree. But that seems too rash to say now because there are conditions where no one can predict what will happen in the final round of the race. If you remember the Valencia MotoGP race in 2006 where Rossi was ahead of Hayden in points, I don't think anyone predicted that Hayden would be world champion that year. But in reality Hayden could become world champion because Rossi crashed in Valencia even though he was still able to continue the race and finish in 13th place.

Bagnaia already knows what he has to do in the final race. Likewise, Martin already knows what needs to be done with the difference in points he has with Bagnaia.
Racing in Qatar, Martin appeared in a performance that he himself did not want.

Both of them have their own strategies and of course know what they have to do, because basically Bagnaia himself shouldn't be too relaxed in this last round. Even though Bagnaia himself is no longer too pressured by the distance in points he has, Bagnaia still has to keep himself from crashing in the race and I hope that the race in the final round can take place in dry conditions.

By the way, regarding Marc Marquez when he was about to congratulate Fabio Di Giannantonio, did you notice that he doesn't look like a rider who has never been world champion.

If you look at the whole of this season in general, Marc Marquez actually seems to have lost his winning talent this season. However, there are many people who are waiting for his comeback next season with a motorbike that is a year older at Gresini, because the seat left by Fabio Di Giannantonio will be filled by Marc Marquez. However, I'm also not sure that he can make a comeback next year with a very different motorbike from the one he usually uses this season.

[Distraction]

Charles Leclerc had a wonderful race despite not having anything he could do against Verstappen at a point. He did his best but lost to him due to car difference in the first place. When it comes to driver skills I can say Verstappen is the best on the grid now as well. I wouldn't like to disrespect other very skilled and experienced drivers as well of course.  

Anyway coming back to the race Leclerc's great attack against Perez there really deserved applauding. He must have given his 100% in this race to have the best result he could. Perez seemed really thoughtful right after the race.

Its incredible how dominant this RedBull car is, with his front wing damage he still cut the gap and surprases Leclerc without so much effort, i know Max is a super driver, but that car is out of this competition.
For ferrari still good to see they find something good in the car so they can keep working for the next year.

Right?    Red Bull are at another level at the moment. Verstappen is already one of the best drivers now indeed. When we combine these things there is an incredible picture being shown to us. Even with a broken front wing Verstappen's work was huge. Russell probably didn't see or expect him to attack there I think which is why he steered toward Verstappen. Verstappen also said the same.

Other than that it was one of the great races in the calendar. Normally I'm not fond of this track though because of its being very dull.

By the way wasn't it interesting to see Verstappen talking negatively about this track and atmosphere first and later singing "viva las vegas" on the radio?  

[FanEagle]

Already time for another Gp.
And this will be the last one of the season.

They will race in Abu-Dhabi

I doubt we will see anything different from this track,we remember 2021 in here where it was a phenomenal race that saw Verstappen get that very much contested title,I think though now things are different and I doubt Ferrari or Mercedes would fight to stop Redbull and Verstappen dominance of this year.

Most likely it will be a boring race unless some Safety Car comes in and changes things dramatically but even so this season has been extremely boring and it shows by the statistics,20 races won by Redbull.

That was fun because there was a championship to be won, this dude won like 18 races so far this season if I am not wrong, he is in for so many records all at the same time for a single season, they are really doing something marvelous at Red Bull too, but Max is insane for being as good as he is. I do not think that the season had any "fun" in it left when we are talking about the current situation if we are talking about the title, he has been the champion for so many races now.

However, there was at least some fun left for "who will be the second", because Perez had so many mistakes, and Hamilton had a growing number of podiums, so the direction looked like maybe Hamilton could be second, and yet it looks like he is not going to be. At this point the only thing that will be decided here will be who will be fourth, and that's not really that fun, deciding fourth fifth and sixth at this race will happen, but I do not think that it's that much fun.

[retreat]

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I doubt we will see anything different from this track,we remember 2021 in here where it was a phenomenal race that saw Verstappen get that very much contested title,I think though now things are different and I doubt Ferrari or Mercedes would fight to stop Redbull and Verstappen dominance of this year.

Most likely it will be a boring race unless some Safety Car comes in and changes things dramatically but even so this season has been extremely boring and it shows by the statistics,20 races won by Redbull.

I don't think so, considering that Ferrari has improved their downforce and maybe at the Abu Dhabi race they will give an interesting race against RBR and Mercedes. Indeed, there were several missed strategies in yesterday's Las Vegas race which knocked Sainz out of P2. But if Sainz and Charles can enter the top 5 in the qualifying session for the Abu Dhabi race, perhaps the Ferrari duo can provide fierce resistance against RBR. Remember that last year Charles and Sainz were in the top 4 in the Abu Dhabi race, and maybe they will learn and improve their performance in the next race and maybe they will win the next race.

[coinlocket$]

I don't think so, considering that Ferrari has improved their downforce and maybe at the Abu Dhabi race they will give an interesting race against RBR and Mercedes. Indeed, there were several missed strategies in yesterday's Las Vegas race which knocked Sainz out of P2. But if Sainz and Charles can enter the top 5 in the qualifying session for the Abu Dhabi race, perhaps the Ferrari duo can provide fierce resistance against RBR. Remember that last year Charles and Sainz were in the top 4 in the Abu Dhabi race, and maybe they will learn and improve their performance in the next race and maybe they will win the next race.

Ferrari is strong only in fast track but not in all of them.
They are strong in high speed but not in high-speed turns.

Abu Dhabi can be one of these races.

[Davian144]

I do not follow MotoGP much this year but I'm interested to find some news especially after what happened in the last race. Martin was great in the Sprint Race but failed to show his best in the Main Race. I have no idea what happened to him, but he did a bad start and he could not even compete for the top 5 although he tried to do it in the first few laps. Bagnaia has better chance obviously because he needs 16 points only which can be earned by finish on 5th both in the sprint and main race. With the current situation, I think the only way for Martin to win the world champion is if Bagnaia crashed in Valencia and Martin win both the last sprint and main race next Sunday.

Maybe Bagnaia will only consider himself to play safely in order not to crash, even though Bagnaia must continue to fight without being too relaxed in this last round. Because I'm quite sure that Martin will try to win in the Sprint and Main Race this week in order to prevent Bagnaia from becoming world champion because that's the only thing he can do even though he still has to hope for other bad things for Bagnaia. And on the other hand, several other tough riders will also be an obstacle for both of them, because in the last round all riders want to take the best position and performance.

[tokeweed]

Already time for another Gp.
And this will be the last one of the season.

They will race in Abu-Dhabi

After Ferrari's performance last week, how do you think they'll look this week?  The track has a couple of long straights that Leclerc and Sainz could take advantage.  And there's the factor that Ferrari could be improving their car by a lot even compared to the start of the season even though it's late at the end of the season.  Could be good news for next season.

Sched for this coming F1 weekend.  It was a boring season but at least we had a few laughs.  

2023 F1 Abu Dhabi GP Schedule
Track:  Yas Marina Circuit



Nov 24, Friday:  Practice 1  13:30 - 14:30
Nov 24, Friday:  Practice 2  17:00 - 18:00
Nov 25, Saturday:  Practice 3  14:30 - 15:30
Nov 25, Saturday:  Qualifying  18:00 - 19:00
Nov 26, Sunday:  Race  17:00

5 Stellar Battles in the Abu Dhabi GP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxFecBe7erI

Enjoy...

[swogerino]

Ferrari can make the race a bit more beautiful however I doubt they can impact the performance of winning against Redbull,sure they won just by 2 seconds against Ferrari the last race in Las Vegas but I guess it was because all the drivers were racing there for the first time and all the engineers of all the teams had not enough data as to be fighting as they will do in Abu Dhabi which they have tons of data available from these last years and will be put to good use.

The straight speed in here helps a lot but without DRS I don't think it will matter,Ferrari needs to stay in DRS zone in order to have a chance here.

[Koal-84]

I do not follow MotoGP much this year but I'm interested to find some news especially after what happened in the last race. Martin was great in the Sprint Race but failed to show his best in the Main Race. I have no idea what happened to him, but he did a bad start and he could not even compete for the top 5 although he tried to do it in the first few laps. Bagnaia has better chance obviously because he needs 16 points only which can be earned by finish on 5th both in the sprint and main race. With the current situation, I think the only way for Martin to win the world champion is if Bagnaia crashed in Valencia and Martin win both the last sprint and main race next Sunday.

Martin has stated that he had a very bad rear tyre (hence his statement in an interview "They stole the title from me"), which may or may not be true, but with the one-size-fits-all tyres you have to be a bit unlucky if he really has a very bad tyre.

I would say the only way Martin has a chance of winning the championship is if Bagnaia crashes in the sprint race and Martin wins, then the pressure on Bagnaia in the Sunday race would be huge, otherwise Martin always has the pressure to win.

[coinlocket$]

After Ferrari's performance last week, how do you think they'll look this week?  

Very difficult to predict how Ferrari will go, usually on fast tracks it goes very well.
The problem with this track is that there are many 90-degree bends.

Perhaps the main question we need to ask ourselves is, how will Mercedes go?

[Velvet78]

We are really close to finish this season in Formula 1. There is still a competition between Mercedes and Ferrari for the second position in the constructor standings. The point gap is only 4 now. This big competition must be the main reason why Toto Wolff complained about Sainz's not getting a grid penalty first in Las Vegas. 

Sainz still showed a great performance and finished ahead of both Mercedes drivers. Here Ferrari will need to stay ahead of Mercedes once again if they want to capture the position just at the end of the season. This track isn't like Las Vegas though but let's see.

[dothebeats]

After Ferrari's performance last week, how do you think they'll look this week?  

Very difficult to predict how Ferrari will go, usually on fast tracks it goes very well.
The problem with this track is that there are many 90-degree bends.

Perhaps the main question we need to ask ourselves is, how will Mercedes go?

Mercedes will surely go balls to the wall with this one in order to snag the second place. They have to prove that they are still a good racing team than Ferrari who has had a lot of reliability issues in their car for the season. While Sainz is driving pretty good for Ferrari and often times step up when Leclerc is having problems, Hamilton is still a good driver that knows how to push his car to the max when needed. With these many curves and bends, Ferrari better take the lead from Mercedes early on and keep a comfortable gap specially during the straights which Ferrari is very good at.

[tokeweed]

After Ferrari's performance last week, how do you think they'll look this week?  

Very difficult to predict how Ferrari will go, usually on fast tracks it goes very well.
The problem with this track is that there are many 90-degree bends.

Perhaps the main question we need to ask ourselves is, how will Mercedes go?

Oooh, you're right.  Without including Red Bull in the mix as they have good down force and will be fast on these turns, I guess it's safe to say that Mercedes has the slight advantage over Ferrrari?  If so then there could be value in Hamilton to the podium at 2.90.  The books are giving Norris and Perez the edge over Hamilton but not really sure how those guys fare this weekend and usually they're not really worth the line they're given by the bookies.

And here's where the books contradict themselves...  They give Perez an edge over Hamilton but in the Red Bull both cars to finish in the podium market 'No' is at 1.72.