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[FanEagle]

If Red Bull keeps losing their team like this one by one eventually, then they are not going to be the champions when 2026 new regulations come. I mean Max should remember his early years when he just watched all others win, specially Mercedes, and he won absolutely nothing during that period.

This is where they are heading right now, they are losing Newey already which is something that they will be impacted a ton already, they are not going to be that good at all, they are going to be hurt, but if they keep on losing more and more people, then eventually they will have a very shitty car. They are paying as much as they can for Max, but that is just one person and if he has a terrible car then he can't get the wins required for a title all by himself.

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Earlier this week, MotoGP announced a technical regulatory framework that will be introduced in 2027, with a switch to 850cc engines. The aim of the new regulations is to improve safety and spectacle on the track through the elimination of ride-height devices and the reduction of aerodynamic rise. Will these efforts really make MotoGP more attractive in 2027 when Dorna no longer holds MotoGP?

Because during the Valentino Rossi era, the CC engine had been changed several times until it reached 1000cc at this time. Because before MotoGP implemented a 1000cc engine in 2012 until now, 800cc engines were also used in MotoGP from 2007 to 2011 and the competition on the track can be said to be interesting, but we are all a little curious about the 850cc engine that will be implemented in 2012. 2027 in MotoGP. Source: https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/2027-motogp-rules-will-make-riders-lives-more-difficult/10608765/

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If Red Bull keeps losing their team like this one by one eventually, then they are not going to be the champions when 2026 new regulations come. I mean Max should remember his early years when he just watched all others win, specially Mercedes, and he won absolutely nothing during that period.

This is where they are heading right now, they are losing Newey already which is something that they will be impacted a ton already, they are not going to be that good at all, they are going to be hurt, but if they keep on losing more and more people, then eventually they will have a very shitty car. They are paying as much as they can for Max, but that is just one person and if he has a terrible car then he can't get the wins required for a title all by himself.

We have a clear example of people having a shitty car and not winning from a couple of seasons now and the best example is Hamilton at Mercedes when he used to dominate with a winning car so the performance of the car can impact a lot even if the driver is world champion,we also have Alonso in the same situation so for me Max would be very much wise to join Mercedes or Audi in 2026,they have promised a lot for that year.

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side news:
even if adrian newey left redbull in formula 1, his Hypercar will be released on the market and will be branded red bull.
It will be called RB17 and will be presented on July 12th, the price?

Accessible to a few, it will cost 6 million dollars and will be in a edition of 50 cars total.

[Pulsar77]

If Red Bull keeps losing their team like this one by one eventually, then they are not going to be the champions when 2026 new regulations come. I mean Max should remember his early years when he just watched all others win, specially Mercedes, and he won absolutely nothing during that period.

This is where they are heading right now, they are losing Newey already which is something that they will be impacted a ton already, they are not going to be that good at all, they are going to be hurt, but if they keep on losing more and more people, then eventually they will have a very shitty car. They are paying as much as they can for Max, but that is just one person and if he has a terrible car then he can't get the wins required for a title all by himself.

Honestly I wasn't expecting Red Bull to have this kind of problems for a long time. I thought they would also go smooth like Mercedes for longer years. But after the recent things going on Red Bull is really likely to struggle in the near future.

Losing a wonderful engineer like Newey would affect them negatively in the long run. It only depends on with whom they will fill his place. It should be a name that will keep Red Bull fighting for championships.

I'm curiously waiting for where Newey will go by the way. Is it going to be Ferrari? - hopefully it would.    I'm just looking forward to witnessing the day Ferrari era starts. 

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So what is happening,is Redbull in a complete break up as a team,are they going to go bankrupt or better they cannot go bankrupt as have a huge capital but they are going to become a mediocre team from 2026 if both heads of the team starts to leave one after another and honestly for me that would be great,it has been a really long time like we don't see battles between Ferrari,Mclaren and Williams in 1996-2000 and 2007-2008,some really really great memories from these Championships which look like didn't ever exist thanks to the seasons,the latest ones being so boring.That would be nice to have again a balanced F1 season like those times,emotions would be high again.

We cannot deny that Red Bull's culture is quite tough and top management will not allow that there will be individuals who are above the team (Newey and Max) so this conflict of interest cannot be avoided when both parties cannot restrain themselves. This might be good news for fans of other teams, because we are quite bored with Red Bull's dominance in the last few seasons.
But even so, that doesn't make Red Bull a mediocre team, because they already have enough foundation to be able to still have the upper hand. And hoping that there will be a battle between Ferrari, McLaren and Williams, that doesn't seem to be happening (for now) because we understand how Williams is already on the edge and finding it difficult to recover, and even though McLaren's performance is quite good, it is not enough to break the dominance of Red Bull, not to mention other teams which might present tougher competition, so there's no need to get your hopes up that it will happen.

[Koal-84]

According to this article, the factory team Ducati has to make an important decision for next year, who will ride alongside Bagnaia in the factory team, there are three riders to choose from.

Márquez, Martín and Bastianini are fighting for the position.

With the current performance, I'm actually more likely to favour Martin, but will Bagnaia also have a say?

https://www.sport1.de/news/motorsport/motogp/2024/05/ducati-vor-schlusselentscheidung-wer-wird-bagnaias-partner-in-der-motogp-saison

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New technical regulation for Moto GP from 2027 with an expected duration of five years.

I don't think the biggest change is that of cutting the engine displacement from the classic 1000cc to 850cc but that of the use of different fuels, so much can change in this case from how an engine uses fuel.

We also have new rules that limit the aerodynamics of motorcycles.

Several riders including Quartararo have already said that they don't expect many differences from the bikes with the power cut.

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A big upgrade is on the way for Ferrari before the Imola Grand Prix. 



The photo was taken during the testing of new upgrade. There are going to be so many changes in the car and you can see the details from the source: Motorsport

It is assumed that Ferrari will gain 0.4 seconds after this. It would be a huge gain especially for the qualifying. There might be a chance to see a Ferrari pole position but it is difficult to predict which one of the drivers it would be. This upgrade might also help us see a podium with 2 Ferrari cars who knows. 

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According to this article, the factory team Ducati has to make an important decision for next year, who will ride alongside Bagnaia in the factory team, there are three riders to choose from.

Márquez, Martín and Bastianini are fighting for the position.

With the current performance, I'm actually more likely to favour Martin, but will Bagnaia also have a say?

https://www.sport1.de/news/motorsport/motogp/2024/05/ducati-vor-schlusselentscheidung-wer-wird-bagnaias-partner-in-der-motogp-saison

Apart from looking at the performance shown by Martin last season and also at the start of this season, I also agree that the Ducati factory wants to choose Martin as Bagnaia's partner for next season. Because Martin has also been with Ducati's satellite team, Pramac Racing, which in general is a team that is quite loyal to the Ducati engine brand. So there is fairness for Ducati if they want to choose Martin and place him in the seat currently occupied by Bastianini next season.

[FanEagle]

We cannot deny that Red Bull's culture is quite tough and top management will not allow that there will be individuals who are above the team (Newey and Max) so this conflict of interest cannot be avoided when both parties cannot restrain themselves. This might be good news for fans of other teams, because we are quite bored with Red Bull's dominance in the last few seasons.
But even so, that doesn't make Red Bull a mediocre team, because they already have enough foundation to be able to still have the upper hand. And hoping that there will be a battle between Ferrari, McLaren and Williams, that doesn't seem to be happening (for now) because we understand how Williams is already on the edge and finding it difficult to recover, and even though McLaren's performance is quite good, it is not enough to break the dominance of Red Bull, not to mention other teams which might present tougher competition, so there's no need to get your hopes up that it will happen.

Foundation doesn't matter when you end up with new regulations in the end. Sure I am almost certain that Red Bull would be a great team next season as well because they are red bull and I do not see how they could end up getting any worse, but that is just one situation and one season, they will have the same type of car next season and unless someone improves and upgrades enough to be as good as them, then we are not going to get anything better than Red Bull.

However, with 2026 coming, we are going to end up seeing something much different, we are going to end up with a whole new set of cars and when that happens I am sure that Red Bull will regret not keeping Newey at the team because every team will basically have a reset and while Red Bull could spend a lot of money on it, and won't be terrible, they could have some rivals making some good cars.

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after the victory in the last grand prix the Norris hype hasn't stopped and now he has started to make quite strong statements to the press.

In fact, he declared that in 2025 he will fight for the world title.

Let's say that this could also be possible given Newey's departure from Redbull, but if he fails to fight with Redbull his words will be cited for a long time and as a fail.

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after the victory in the last grand prix the Norris hype hasn't stopped and now he has started to make quite strong statements to the press.

In fact, he declared that in 2025 he will fight for the world title.

Let's say that this could also be possible given Newey's departure from Redbull, but if he fails to fight with Redbull his words will be cited for a long time and as a fail.

I think the only thing that makes him go with such statements is because he have seen how well McLaren has progressed in these recent times and races and he thinks that they are going to get there at the top where he will get a car that can be run to fight for world titles.Nothing wrong with such statement I think,yet let's not forget we have Hamilton at Ferrari next season and it will be a great season if Hamilton will be driving a Ferrari,Ferrari just needs to give him a decent car,not the fastest one and I am sure he can fight for victories and titles too,he is just that good as a driver,so let's wait and see.For Redbull is looking clear that they can not be as dominating as they have been during last couple of years and if other teams upgrade their cars further then it means Redbull will struggle in 2025.

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the last year they also made a big upgrade mid-season and had become competitive for second place with Ferrari, but if after the big step you don't bring other updates you're going nowhere especially at those top levels where your rivals bring updates every 2-3 races.

But next year without Newey it could be much tougher for Redbull too and this year the cars have gotten quite close to the Austrians

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In yesterday's Practice session I saw that Fabio Quartararo was successful in ranking in the top ten which made him qualify for Q2, while Marquez failed to set his best time in that session so he had to be outside Q2. However, in today's FP2 session, Marquez will definitely work hard to get his best time and if he has to enter Q1, he will also try to get through it with hard work because almost all riders have good time records at Le Mans this time. Except for riders who use Honda motorbikes.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcVMijTIYOs

The dispute between F1 and Andretti has entered a new phase, where now Andretti is lobbying senate members to send a letter questioning the reasons why F1 refuses to accept them as the eleventh team in F1. So far, Andretti, together with GM and Cadilac, have mobilized a lot of resources for them to enter F1 and they have even received the green light from the FIA to enter F1, but for some reason F1 has refused them to enter the competition. . F1's reasons are unclear and Andretti himself estimates that the top teams in F1 are deliberately lobbying F1's top management to deny them entry in order to shrink the competition board. This is truly an unfair action for Andretti, even though they have fulfilled all the requirements.

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It's a shame that Marquez didn't qualify for Q2 because he slipped and left the track while trailing Bastianini in the qualifying session. So Marquez didn't have enough time to improve his time again in that session so the one who qualified for Q2 just now was Bastianini from the Ducati factory and another one was Miguel Oliveira from the Trackhouse team. Now the Q2 session will also take place for MotoGP Le Mans and I will see who will be on pole position today before heading to the Sprint Race.

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after the victory in the last grand prix the Norris hype hasn't stopped and now he has started to make quite strong statements to the press.

In fact, he declared that in 2025 he will fight for the world title.

Let's say that this could also be possible given Newey's departure from Redbull, but if he fails to fight with Redbull his words will be cited for a long time and as a fail.

He is one of the most ambitious drivers. It must have been really easy for him to make such bold statements.    For now we don't know about if even Red Bull will be able to keep their dominance next year.

McLaren is actually a rich team. They need to use their power efficiently. If they start on their next season car early they can turn this situation into their advantage. This car has lots of potential.  

But it is a really difficult task considering the potential of Ferrari also. If they make a combo of Hamilton - Newey for next year then we would be likely to watch a quite big competition among a few top teams.

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Even though he had fallen, this time Jorge Martin was also able to put himself in first position on the Le Mans MotoGP grid with a pretty good time record and this is the latest time record that has broken the previous time record at the Le Mans circuit. Apart from that, I was wondering why there were several riders who crashed in today's qualifying session, even though the weather was very favorable and quite sunny and what was unique this time was that there was one Japanese motorbike on the eighth grid, namely Fabio Quartararo. Hopefully he can give his best in the Sprint and Race tomorrow in his hometown with this Japanese motorbike.

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hat-trick for Spain in the sprint race in France, Martin returned to victory ahead of Marques and Vinales. Bagnaia with zero points.
The race for the world championship therefore remains open for Marques too

Technical problem for the Italian who was forced to retire after a bad start probably due to this technical problem.
the ranking in the leaderboard is really short at the moment with 6 riders in just over 30 points and with the favorite (my choice) slowly taking off.