Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order

[NotFuzzyWarm]

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Why it took 45 days for  repair and  shipping one board?
Finally, they never sent me back  my board. I got back board with another serial number, and other design.

No idea why it took so long, luckily my 2 warranty issues with a s5 and a s7 were handled within 2 weeks. I do see that in the Forms to fill out for service Bitmain has added several 'special instructions' to the WO form... https://cnshop.bitmain.com/workOrderGuide.htm

"Shipping way:
UPS,DHL,FEDEX,EMS, TNT, USPS, or your local post office are available.please note that EMS and USPS provide poor service in HK,we cant ensure they can delivery the parcels in time.
NOTE:
1.   Be sure mark "deliveries are made on working days only" and "Antminer" on the items description of
      the waybill.Otherwise we wont accept any delay due to missing of these info .

2.   It's necessary to package the hashboard very carefully. We can not repair if the PIN on hashboard is lost because of the shipping problem. Please claim to your logistics agent if the PIN is lost on the way.
3.  The HongKong warehouse only responsible for receiving the parcels ,we wont accept "Freight Collect",please pay
      the shipping cost in your side. Please mark the warehouse NO. 3811
Consignee: (The package will be rejected if there is no "No.3811"; The PSU can not be packed with other stuff in the same tracking number because of customs clearance)
Name:FUKWOK KWONG-No.3811
Company Name:TUNG-D INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT LIMITED Warehouse No.3811
Address:Unit 104, 1/F, Sunbeam Centre, 27 Shing Yip Street, Kwun Tong, Kowloon, Hong Kong
Office Tel:+852-2750 5059 (The number is only available for logistics not for service )                
Warehouse:Tel: +852-2750 5150(The number is only available for logistics not for service )"

That looks to open a lot of loopholes for them to claim 'lost in transit'....
PIN?? as in the barcode sticker on the boards??? What would a logistics company have to do with that?

Now as to getting back a different board:
Well, ja. That is how most often any electronics servicing goes. Rarely is any board repaired and sent back. Even using low-cost labor it is usually just not worth the time to do more than verify a board is dead. So, either a re-worked board (from production problems or returned boards from other customers that were able to be fixed) is returned to the customer or if really lucky -- a brand new one is sent.

Of course given that test/replace (not repair) is the norm, the question still remains why it took so long for Bitmain to get a replacement out to them?

[ATCkit]

Does anyone know when Bitmain will be releasing new batches of the S9?  It has been about a month since they ran out.  Does anyone know what is going on?

Thanks!

I think he should be here soon with the new model.
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S9 is dead for me.
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At first, only xxxxxxxx After  restart board completely disappeared. This is not normal.
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From 21 miners are three with broken boards.  This is too much.

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If Bitmain does not change its warranty policy, then I will not buy more S9.....

Seems like a very good summary..and confirms what I suspected - ie: based on what I've been reading. Phillipma seems to have the right idea about under clocking them during the summer. If they were reliable at the default frequency, S9 owners shouldn't need to do that.

Indeed, it seems that Bitmain needs something more efficient and reliable to compete with what Avalon (and a German company which someone mentioned) may bring to market soon. So I tend to agree that Bitmain knows this.....has gone back to the drawing board and will come out with a better version of the S9 or a new model in the next quarter.

[tmfp]

According to our warranty policy, the warranty is void if the product is beyond repair.

Am I reading that right?
If you send a faulty item back and they confirm it doesn't work, then it doesn't come under warranty?
Wut

[bbOOmm]

Slightly off topic ... sorry

I know some of you guys are running them with your S7's and S9's.....

I'm looking for the pinout diagram for the IBM 2880W / 2980W power supply. I'm not looking for a breakout board, I'm looking to solder pigtails and eliminate the friction contact losses/heat of a breakout board. Plus save $ by not buying breakout boards.

Thanks

[jermwerty]

Slightly off topic ... sorry

I know some of you guys are running them with your S7's and S9's.....

I'm looking for the pinout diagram for the IBM 2880W / 2980W power supply. I'm not looking for a breakout board, I'm looking to solder pigtails and eliminate the friction contact losses/heat of a breakout board. Plus save $ by not buying breakout boards.

Thanks

Here is the answer:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1007440.0

But you simply don't have enough space to solder all wires to the PSU, you would need to build your own fanout connector.  And I would def make sure to use all 6+ and 6- connectors so you don't melt down the PSU's connections!

[jds1119]

Anyone have any idea on how to get a S7 or earlier control to work on a S9? Ive been waiting too long and would like to get this machine running. You just cant update the firmware like the others when I replaced a S7 board from an older machine

[bitcoinbarron]

I am hoping that the fact Bitmain have gone quiet with releasing batches of the S9. That they have taken it back to the drawing board to find out why they are so unreliable.

Its a nice thought anyway

[-droid-]

I am hoping that the fact Bitmain have gone quiet with releasing batches of the S9. That they have taken it back to the drawing board to find out why they are so unreliable.

Its a nice thought anyway

no they are simply replacing the S7's in their farm with S9's and sending bulk orders to other china farms

[Sierra8561]

I am hoping that the fact Bitmain have gone quiet with releasing batches of the S9. That they have taken it back to the drawing board to find out why they are so unreliable.

Its a nice thought anyway

no they are simply replacing the S7's in their farm with S9's and sending bulk orders to other china farms

Judging by the increased hash rate, I think you are right.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

I am hoping that the fact Bitmain have gone quiet with releasing batches of the S9. That they have taken it back to the drawing board to find out why they are so unreliable.

Its a nice thought anyway

no they are simply replacing the S7's in their farm with S9's and sending bulk orders to other china farms

No doubt that the Chinese farms are a monster market that needs to be taken care of but not all mega farms are in China or Asia in general folks... Get over it.
ref: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1566654.msg15721138#msg15721138
which is a 5MW farm being built in Labrador. Power there is $0.025 per kWh
They mention when full will hold "Thousands of s9's"

[not.you]

Since the halving these things are not earning very much at all.  I have 2 of them, one of them I got at under 3 BTC with a couple weeks to mine before the halving, and it still looks like it is going to be a long, long time before these ROI and that's without any electricity costs.  I have one underclocked and the other setup to underclock for 6 hours a day and then do stock clock for the other 18 hours.  Based on what others have said about failure rates this looks like a bigger gamble than I had anticipated. 

And what really sucks is that it comes on the heels of S7's that still haven't hit ROI with free electricity and decent resale price on two of them.  In about 2 months I should hit an overall break-even on the S7's since I still have an early batch unit mining at an average 5.02 Th/s but if not for the resale prices those things would have been a loss for sure.  Wondering if the S9's might be better sold at this point rather than gamble on them lasting long enough to get my BTC back.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Since the halving these things are not earning very much at all.  I have 2 of them, one of them I got at under 3 BTC with a couple weeks to mine before the halving, and it still looks like it is going to be a long, long time before these ROI and that's without any electricity costs.  I have one underclocked and the other setup to underclock for 6 hours a day and then do stock clock for the other 18 hours.  Based on what others have said about failure rates this looks like a bigger gamble than I had anticipated.  

And what really sucks is that it comes on the heels of S7's that still haven't hit ROI with free electricity and decent resale price on two of them.  In about 2 months I should hit an overall break-even on the S7's since I still have an early batch unit mining at an average 5.02 Th/s but if not for the resale prices those things would have been a loss for sure.  Wondering if the S9's might be better sold at this point rather than gamble on them lasting long enough to get my BTC back.

With free power (most of mine is as well) you just have to run them long enough to ROI based on what it alone produces. Hell I have B1's still running and given the time, long ago paid for even just on what income each has produced. But...

What is better is to roll a miners income back into a kitty to be used for upgrades/expansion. Once you have a decent farm started, look at the farm income -- not necessarily per-machine income. Even with the halving, with my farm running ~125-130THs it pays for a new s9 in about 14 days. When not upgrading/expanding it's income grows rather nicely now.

Ja for the 1st couple of miners it can be a bitch but that will be your only need for any real out-of-pocket expenses. Once things get going then the fun starts Just gotta start somewhere and look at the long term goal.

[not.you]

That's actually more or less what I have done.  I started with GPU mining BTC and saved my mining earnings and bought up over time and so on just as you said.  However I have always been running these things at work, and even though I could technically add more miners, as the power requirements have increased I haven't felt ok with growing the mine to the limits of the facilities.  I have stated on these boards before that my boss knows about my miners and doesn't care, but I do care that I don't take advantage of the company, and the electricity that I don't pay for but get to use.  So yes I could add more hashrate but I am limiting myself to just three miners over about 1200Watts.  I have some smaller stuff mining alts but I only have 2 S9's and an S7 for BTC and I don't really see myself growing the BTC farm with current power requirements.  Back in the days of the S1's and S3's I had quite a few more but at some point I would need to move to hosted in order not to feel like I was abusing the situation and I can't see that hosted would make ROI at all.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

That's actually more or less what I have done.  I started with GPU mining BTC and saved my mining earnings and bought up over time and so on just as you said.  However I have always been running these things at work, and even though I could technically add more miners, as the power requirements have increased I haven't felt ok with growing the mine to the limits of the facilities.  I have stated on these boards before that my boss knows about my miners and doesn't care, but I do care that I don't take advantage of the company, and the electricity that I don't pay for but get to use.  So yes I could add more hashrate but I am limiting myself to just three miners over about 1200Watts.  I have some smaller stuff mining alts but I only have 2 S9's and an S7 for BTC and I don't really see myself growing the BTC farm with current power requirements.  Back in the days of the S1's and S3's I had quite a few more but at some point I would need to move to hosted in order not to feel like I was abusing the situation and I can't see that hosted would make ROI at all.

Similar deal at work for me (though I'm a partner in the business) but I've capped myself at 18kw there. I was pulling 20kw until I Sidehack'd all of the s7's- and put one more back on line ta boot! With 4 s9's going I've now got 3 or 4 s7's sitting idle that I took offline to replace withe s9's. My other Partner has never objected and just views it as part of keeping me happy so I can do the voodoo that I do so well. But still, same desire to not take advantage applies.

As Mel Brooks said, It's GOOD to be King!

[sidehack]

You can send those other S7s if you want. I got room for 'em.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

You can send those other S7s if you want. I got room for 'em.

I might do that. I only need one spare to um, tinker with... ref https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1580436.msg15884808#msg15884808

[aarons6]

Since the halving these things are not earning very much at all.  I have 2 of them, one of them I got at under 3 BTC with a couple weeks to mine before the halving, and it still looks like it is going to be a long, long time before these ROI and that's without any electricity costs.  I have one underclocked and the other setup to underclock for 6 hours a day and then do stock clock for the other 18 hours.  Based on what others have said about failure rates this looks like a bigger gamble than I had anticipated. 

And what really sucks is that it comes on the heels of S7's that still haven't hit ROI with free electricity and decent resale price on two of them.  In about 2 months I should hit an overall break-even on the S7's since I still have an early batch unit mining at an average 5.02 Th/s but if not for the resale prices those things would have been a loss for sure.  Wondering if the S9's might be better sold at this point rather than gamble on them lasting long enough to get my BTC back.

you should check out zpool.. it pays out almost as much as prehalving bitcoin.. its also not effected by bitcoin difficulty..

[edonkey]

Since the halving these things are not earning very much at all.  I have 2 of them, one of them I got at under 3 BTC with a couple weeks to mine before the halving, and it still looks like it is going to be a long, long time before these ROI and that's without any electricity costs.  I have one underclocked and the other setup to underclock for 6 hours a day and then do stock clock for the other 18 hours.  Based on what others have said about failure rates this looks like a bigger gamble than I had anticipated. 

And what really sucks is that it comes on the heels of S7's that still haven't hit ROI with free electricity and decent resale price on two of them.  In about 2 months I should hit an overall break-even on the S7's since I still have an early batch unit mining at an average 5.02 Th/s but if not for the resale prices those things would have been a loss for sure.  Wondering if the S9's might be better sold at this point rather than gamble on them lasting long enough to get my BTC back.

you should check out zpool.. it pays out almost as much as prehalving bitcoin.. its also not effected by bitcoin difficulty..

According to the zpool site it returns 0.0018 per THs. Not clear if that's before or after the 2% fee.

That's a 45% increase over straight BTC mining with a 2% fee and 100% luck.

Are you mining there and really seeing these numbers?

[Sierra8561]

Since the halving these things are not earning very much at all.  I have 2 of them, one of them I got at under 3 BTC with a couple weeks to mine before the halving, and it still looks like it is going to be a long, long time before these ROI and that's without any electricity costs.  I have one underclocked and the other setup to underclock for 6 hours a day and then do stock clock for the other 18 hours.  Based on what others have said about failure rates this looks like a bigger gamble than I had anticipated. 

And what really sucks is that it comes on the heels of S7's that still haven't hit ROI with free electricity and decent resale price on two of them.  In about 2 months I should hit an overall break-even on the S7's since I still have an early batch unit mining at an average 5.02 Th/s but if not for the resale prices those things would have been a loss for sure.  Wondering if the S9's might be better sold at this point rather than gamble on them lasting long enough to get my BTC back.

you should check out zpool.. it pays out almost as much as prehalving bitcoin.. its also not effected by bitcoin difficulty..

According to the zpool site it returns 0.0018 per THs. Not clear if that's before or after the 2% fee.

That's a 45% increase over straight BTC mining with a 2% fee and 100% luck.

Are you mining there and really seeing these numbers?

I'm very curious to know the answer to this.

[aarons6]

Since the halving these things are not earning very much at all.  I have 2 of them, one of them I got at under 3 BTC with a couple weeks to mine before the halving, and it still looks like it is going to be a long, long time before these ROI and that's without any electricity costs.  I have one underclocked and the other setup to underclock for 6 hours a day and then do stock clock for the other 18 hours.  Based on what others have said about failure rates this looks like a bigger gamble than I had anticipated.  

And what really sucks is that it comes on the heels of S7's that still haven't hit ROI with free electricity and decent resale price on two of them.  In about 2 months I should hit an overall break-even on the S7's since I still have an early batch unit mining at an average 5.02 Th/s but if not for the resale prices those things would have been a loss for sure.  Wondering if the S9's might be better sold at this point rather than gamble on them lasting long enough to get my BTC back.

you should check out zpool.. it pays out almost as much as prehalving bitcoin.. its also not effected by bitcoin difficulty..

According to the zpool site it returns 0.0018 per THs. Not clear if that's before or after the 2% fee.

That's a 45% increase over straight BTC mining with a 2% fee and 100% luck.

Are you mining there and really seeing these numbers?

yes, its kind of picky about how you setup your miners tho.. check the zpool thread in the mining altcoin section.

i have 2 s7s, underclocked to 525 @ 3500 ghs (7000 ghs total) and i make around .01 to .012 a day in bitcoin.
keep in mind that value fluctuates on current market price of the coins being mined.. you can check the daily running stats on https://poolpicker.eu/table?algo=sha-256