Do you believe in god?

[BADecker]

Just a quick rebuttal for illustration point:

Psalm 18:30 states "As for God, his way is perfect"

Matthew 5:48 "You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect".

Genesis 1:27  "So God created mankind in his own image"

So after reading this, you can see that the christian bible believes their god to be perfect, and man was made in his image which correlates to man being perfect.

The problem with this is...... man is not perfect. We are vulnerable to many diseases, our bones break easily, and with age our bodies and minds break down. Our poorly-made spines, inflexible knees, and pelvic bones make childbirth difficult.

So, if man is not perfect, then neither is your god, so the words of your god are false, or, he does not exist.

Another religion facet of disproving gods...... Science is slowly providing the answers to questions which were once believed to be the result off a god/s. The Greeks used Poseidon to explain how earthquakes happen, which we now know is due to the movement of tectonic plates to relieve pressure.

Perhaps you are not human. If you are not, if you are an angel of God, then maybe you are perfect.

If you are human, your logic is imperfect.


God gave mankind perfection in the Garden of Eden. Mankind could do no better than perfection. But, like the curious people we are, our first parents threw that perfection away intentionally.

So, you are wrong, because you are living in imperfection, and your words are your own. But I am right, because even though I am living in imperfection like you, I am simply referring to the perfect Word of God in my explanation.

And tectonic plate movement is due to cause and effect of all kinds of things... cause and effect that God set in place.

When are you going to stop being so dense, intentionally. You enjoy the imperfection. You revel in it. At least I am trying to move towards perfection.

And the circle continues.......

As I am human, my logic may be imperfect.

That also implies that as you are human, your understanding of your religion is also imperfect.

So, maybe your understanding that there is a god is false.

OMG..... your reasoning of cause and effect is crazy.

If I were to meet you and punch you in the face, the cause was because you were preaching to me, the effect you have a broken jaw and cannot speak. Does that mean your god hates you?

Haven't you ever noticed that things are not utterly imperfect. A car works, even though it is imperfect enough that it wears out after a while.

Since I am only restating the perfection of God in the Bible, even though my restating is imperfect, I am basically right. You can go to the Bible to read the perfection yourself. Just be aware that you will come away with an imperfect understanding of it because of your imperfection.

If we met, and you attempted to punch me in the face, you would miss. You would miss, because God wants you to live long enough to find Jesus salvation.

[stats]

Just a quick rebuttal for illustration point:

Psalm 18:30 states "As for God, his way is perfect"

Matthew 5:48 "You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect".

Genesis 1:27  "So God created mankind in his own image"

So after reading this, you can see that the christian bible believes their god to be perfect, and man was made in his image which correlates to man being perfect.

The problem with this is...... man is not perfect. We are vulnerable to many diseases, our bones break easily, and with age our bodies and minds break down. Our poorly-made spines, inflexible knees, and pelvic bones make childbirth difficult.

So, if man is not perfect, then neither is your god, so the words of your god are false, or, he does not exist.

Another religion facet of disproving gods...... Science is slowly providing the answers to questions which were once believed to be the result off a god/s. The Greeks used Poseidon to explain how earthquakes happen, which we now know is due to the movement of tectonic plates to relieve pressure.

Perhaps you are not human. If you are not, if you are an angel of God, then maybe you are perfect.

If you are human, your logic is imperfect.


God gave mankind perfection in the Garden of Eden. Mankind could do no better than perfection. But, like the curious people we are, our first parents threw that perfection away intentionally.

So, you are wrong, because you are living in imperfection, and your words are your own. But I am right, because even though I am living in imperfection like you, I am simply referring to the perfect Word of God in my explanation.

And tectonic plate movement is due to cause and effect of all kinds of things... cause and effect that God set in place.

When are you going to stop being so dense, intentionally. You enjoy the imperfection. You revel in it. At least I am trying to move towards perfection.

And the circle continues.......

As I am human, my logic may be imperfect.

That also implies that as you are human, your understanding of your religion is also imperfect.

So, maybe your understanding that there is a god is false.

OMG..... your reasoning of cause and effect is crazy.

If I were to meet you and punch you in the face, the cause was because you were preaching to me, the effect you have a broken jaw and cannot speak. Does that mean your god hates you?

Haven't you ever noticed that things are not utterly imperfect. A car works, even though it is imperfect enough that it wears out after a while.

Since I am only restating the perfection of God in the Bible, even though my restating is imperfect, I am basically right. You can go to the Bible to read the perfection yourself. Just be aware that you will come away with an imperfect understanding of it because of your imperfection.

If we met, and you attempted to punch me in the face, you would miss. You would miss, because God wants you to live long enough to find Jesus salvation.

You are so full of shit.

Since I am speaking the truth, then my logic is correct. There is no god.

Trust me.... I would not miss. It would be your god's will.

(I am actually a nice guy and don't believe in violence, so you are safe my friend.  )

[BADecker]

You are so full of shit.

Since I am speaking the truth, then my logic is correct. There is no god.

Trust me.... I would not miss. It would be your god's will.

(I am actually a nice guy and don't believe in violence, so you are safe my friend.  )

You still haven't found any rebuttal or refutation of the scientific evidence and proof that shows God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

This means that your logic is only correct for yourself and those who want to follow your religion with you.

However, thanks again for admitting that God exists by not being able to rebut the science.

[KingScorpio]

recently i seriously started to consider that the universe itself is inteligent in the way it responds to you via people and environment, it would mean that we live in some kind of a simluation like a video game which generates itself in vastly speed, a proof for that is that the deeper u look into something to more infinite information about it is beeing created. for example if u look with a teleskope into the universe or if u look with a microscope into the matter itself new things are beeing created.

This is good thinking. But consider...

Entropy shows that there was a beginning. If there wasn't, everything would have dispersed and diffused into simplicity away from complexity long ago... because of entropy.

Also, cause and effect shows that everything is the effect of one or more causes. At the same time, there is nothing that we even have a hint of that could have caused the complexity after so many years of cause and effect. After all, especially in entropy, things start to become simpler after cause and effect happens to them over and over. They don't remain complex.

The point? The universe was started by Something very great and full of knowledge and power, outside of the universe, because there is no evidence of it within the universe. The universe is not old, but young, because if it were old, the complexity would have been reduce a lot further by entropy.

i think the entire IT development is some kind of a book the universe shows us how intelligence gets created from the bits of 0 and 1 of light and darkness all those high complex systems get into existance

[stats]

You are so full of shit.

Since I am speaking the truth, then my logic is correct. There is no god.

Trust me.... I would not miss. It would be your god's will.

(I am actually a nice guy and don't believe in violence, so you are safe my friend.  )

You still haven't found any rebuttal or refutation of the scientific evidence and proof that shows God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

This means that your logic is only correct for yourself and those who want to follow your religion with you.

However, thanks again for admitting that God exists by not being able to rebut the science.

Here you go.....


Link 1.
Machine: You state that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe. You then stretch this to state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God. Wrong! This is called advancement in Technology. Usually done in a manner of trial and error. Look at planes. There were many failures before success. According to you, this means that man is god.

Cause and effect: I agree about your simple logic of cause and effect, however, you fail to prove that the first instance was a "god". Everything reverts back to a single point which you assume is god. That is only a theory. To go back to a single point, your belief that randomness cannot exist because it cannot be proven. But what about if our universe that we live in was the product of a random event in a universe older than ours? We do not have the technology to visit this universe to prove this correct or not correct. This is where you fail with your proof. You have cut yourself off from the possibility that another universe has caused something for us to exist in our universe.  

Nations look for god: You speak as though you know the minds of all people. Assuming that everyone knows in their hearts that they believe in your god. That is not possible for you to know what anyone else thinks or feels. This is complete crap. In ancient times the majority of the people were religious. Throughout history people have gravitated away from religion for whatever reason they choose. You cannot assume anything about another person.

Link 2.
Cause and effect. See above

Link 3.
Cause and effect - See above

Link 4.
Cause and effect - See above

This means that your logic is only correct for yourself and those who want to follow your religion with you.

However, thanks again for allowing me to post this to prove that you are delusional with your thinking and are grasping at straws to prove a mute point.

[BADecker]

You are so full of shit.

Since I am speaking the truth, then my logic is correct. There is no god.

Trust me.... I would not miss. It would be your god's will.

(I am actually a nice guy and don't believe in violence, so you are safe my friend.  )

You still haven't found any rebuttal or refutation of the scientific evidence and proof that shows God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

This means that your logic is only correct for yourself and those who want to follow your religion with you.

However, thanks again for admitting that God exists by not being able to rebut the science.

Here you go.....


Link 1.
Machine: You state that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe. You then stretch this to state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God. Wrong! This is called advancement in Technology. Usually done in a manner of trial and error. Look at planes. There were many failures before success. According to you, this means that man is god.

Actually, this isn't completely what I have stated in the links. While I stated that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe, I never state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God.

The thing that I state about this is that all machines have makers. The machines of nature (which are way more advanced than our machines) must have had an advanced maker. Because of how greatly ahead of us the machines of nature are, the Machine Maker of nature and the universe would fit our definition of "God."

Are you intentionally twisting what I said? Or do you simply have lower reading comprehension?

[BADecker]

Cause and effect: I agree about your simple logic of cause and effect, however, you fail to prove that the first instance was a "god". Everything reverts back to a single point which you assume is god. That is only a theory. To go back to a single point, your belief that randomness cannot exist because it cannot be proven. But what about if our universe that we live in was the product of a random event in a universe older than ours? We do not have the technology to visit this universe to prove this correct or not correct. This is where you fail with your proof. You have cut yourself off from the possibility that another universe has caused something for us to exist in our universe.  

You haven't looked thoroughly enough through the links. You missed the part where it talks about the game of billiards/pool. I'll restate briefly.

A pool shark might be able to predict where a string of five balls that he hits are going to go. He might be able to predict that ball 1 will hit ball 2 which will hit ball 3 which will ht ball 4 which will knock ball 5 into that corner pocket. The pool shark is very good if he can do this kind of predicting every time.

Cause and effect has done this with countless electrons, protons, neutrons, atoms, molecules, photons, electromagnetic waves, etc., etc., throughout the universe. The result is complexity that boggles the mind, and will never be able to be understood. Because of the complexity that has come about through cause and effect, there is Something very intelligent and very capable at the beginning of all this complexity. That Something fits our definition of God.

As far as pure random goes, we have no example of it, while we have countless examples of cause and effect. All kinds of things can be guessed at, but the proofs of the things that have been proven - cause and effect and complexity - prove God.

Thanks again for upholding the proof that God exists.

[BADecker]

Nations look for god: You speak as though you know the minds of all people. Assuming that everyone knows in their hearts that they believe in your god. That is not possible for you to know what anyone else thinks or feels. This is complete crap. In ancient times the majority of the people were religious. Throughout history people have gravitated away from religion for whatever reason they choose. You cannot assume anything about another person.

Not the minds. The hearts. However, tell me where the person is who doesn't need air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat, clothing and shelter, and all the other things people need. If such a person existed, he wouldn't be a person. He would be something else. All people are essentially the same kind of thing.

Among the things that a person doesn't know is what will happen in the future, even the next second. The stability of the universe makes it look like some people know the future. But nobody really knows. How can anyone tell this? By the fact that there are too many cause and effect actions happening on all things all the time. Nobody can know enough of them to do anything other than guess about the future.

This is why all people look for God. The machine workings of nature are part of the evidence that shows them that God exists. With enough persistent self-training, a person can talk himself out of believing in God formally. But give a person great joy, or give him great pain and sorrow, and he won't be able to maintain his personal self-training. Rather, he will revert to recognizing that God exists.

Thanks, again, for helping to prove that God exists.

[soos]

I do believe in God and I think there are so many bad things because there is also evil presence

[meliodas]

Yes I do believe in God,
There is so many reason to believe in god and one of them is being alive,
We should be thankful for waking up everymorning cause god give us another day to live .

[Daniel91]

I do believe in God and I think there are so many bad things because there is also evil presence

Yes, I agree with you.
We can't win evil forces alone.
We need heavenly protection and guidance every day.
If we can lead such way, we will be stronger and have more happy life.
Yes, I believe in God.
I also believe that God gave us absolute moral standard and guidance, through the Bible, in order that we can understand purpose of our life, and live happy and joyful life.

[stats]

You are so full of shit.

Since I am speaking the truth, then my logic is correct. There is no god.

Trust me.... I would not miss. It would be your god's will.

(I am actually a nice guy and don't believe in violence, so you are safe my friend.  )

You still haven't found any rebuttal or refutation of the scientific evidence and proof that shows God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

This means that your logic is only correct for yourself and those who want to follow your religion with you.

However, thanks again for admitting that God exists by not being able to rebut the science.

Here you go.....


Link 1.
Machine: You state that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe. You then stretch this to state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God. Wrong! This is called advancement in Technology. Usually done in a manner of trial and error. Look at planes. There were many failures before success. According to you, this means that man is god.

Actually, this isn't completely what I have stated in the links. While I stated that all machines that people make and use come from examples of machines in the universe, I never state that because the machines become more advanced they are the product of a higher power and more advanced maker - God.

The thing that I state about this is that all machines have makers. The machines of nature (which are way more advanced than our machines) must have had an advanced maker. Because of how greatly ahead of us the machines of nature are, the Machine Maker of nature and the universe would fit our definition of "God."

Are you intentionally twisting what I said? Or do you simply have lower reading comprehension?

This process is called "evolution". Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

As we learn more about objects "through science" we are able to understand how they have come to be and why this has occurred.

The answers are being discovered and they do not rely on a "god principle".

[stats]

Cause and effect: I agree about your simple logic of cause and effect, however, you fail to prove that the first instance was a "god". Everything reverts back to a single point which you assume is god. That is only a theory. To go back to a single point, your belief that randomness cannot exist because it cannot be proven. But what about if our universe that we live in was the product of a random event in a universe older than ours? We do not have the technology to visit this universe to prove this correct or not correct. This is where you fail with your proof. You have cut yourself off from the possibility that another universe has caused something for us to exist in our universe.  

You haven't looked thoroughly enough through the links. You missed the part where it talks about the game of billiards/pool. I'll restate briefly.

A pool shark might be able to predict where a string of five balls that he hits are going to go. He might be able to predict that ball 1 will hit ball 2 which will hit ball 3 which will ht ball 4 which will knock ball 5 into that corner pocket. The pool shark is very good if he can do this kind of predicting every time.

Cause and effect has done this with countless electrons, protons, neutrons, atoms, molecules, photons, electromagnetic waves, etc., etc., throughout the universe. The result is complexity that boggles the mind, and will never be able to be understood. Because of the complexity that has come about through cause and effect, there is Something very intelligent and very capable at the beginning of all this complexity. That Something fits our definition of God.

As far as pure random goes, we have no example of it, while we have countless examples of cause and effect. All kinds of things can be guessed at, but the proofs of the things that have been proven - cause and effect and complexity - prove God.

Thanks again for upholding the proof that God exists.

There you have it....

Because you believe that the human mind cannot understand it (at present) it has to be a god. There is no proof there. That is an assumption.

Cause and effect proves nothing.

[stats]

Nations look for god: You speak as though you know the minds of all people. Assuming that everyone knows in their hearts that they believe in your god. That is not possible for you to know what anyone else thinks or feels. This is complete crap. In ancient times the majority of the people were religious. Throughout history people have gravitated away from religion for whatever reason they choose. You cannot assume anything about another person.

Not the minds. The hearts. However, tell me where the person is who doesn't need air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat, clothing and shelter, and all the other things people need. If such a person existed, he wouldn't be a person. He would be something else. All people are essentially the same kind of thing.

Among the things that a person doesn't know is what will happen in the future, even the next second. The stability of the universe makes it look like some people know the future. But nobody really knows. How can anyone tell this? By the fact that there are too many cause and effect actions happening on all things all the time. Nobody can know enough of them to do anything other than guess about the future.

This is why all people look for God. The machine workings of nature are part of the evidence that shows them that God exists. With enough persistent self-training, a person can talk himself out of believing in God formally. But give a person great joy, or give him great pain and sorrow, and he won't be able to maintain his personal self-training. Rather, he will revert to recognizing that God exists.

Thanks, again, for helping to prove that God exists.

Once again you continue to spruce that you know what every single person knows and feels in the mind or heart. 

Do you have some kind of magic wand?

On one hand you talk about free will and the next you are saying that everyone thinks and feels the same.

You keep sprouting that all mankind knows in their hearts.... bullshit. We do not think the same nor do we love or feel the same.

You need to get your arguments aligned.

I do not look for god.... there is no such thing.

[xusxuquade]

in USA in liberal county still belive GOD
only comunism is not believe GOD

[irukandji]

Do you believe in god? If you do, why do you believe? (give a few reasons)

I believe I am god, which probably sounds strange.

[BartS]

I believe in god, but I think reasons are unnecessary, you either believe in god or not, it is not like god has to prove something to us, you need to make your choice.

[frankbit]

I don't believe in God. For me, there is no evidence of its existence and furthermore everything that is said in the Bible to me is ridiculous. It is rather a proof of his non-existence than the proof that God exists.

[FlightyPouch]

I don't believe in God. For me, there is no evidence of its existence and furthermore everything that is said in the Bible to me is ridiculous. It is rather a proof of his non-existence than the proof that God exists.

You can't just call that ridiculous. There may be no evidence about His existence then we just respect them from what they believe in.

[thwilliams]

Sometimes yes and sometimes no