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Author Topic: Bitmain Announces the Antminer R4 and APW5 Power Supply, Designed for Silence  (Read 68710 times)
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December 07, 2016, 01:25:22 AM
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I think this is a black and white argument and they should have no corner to cut. I am fine with they make money as long as it's justifiable, otherwise a plain fraud it is.

With all due respect, I think you are forgetting the current position of Bitmain. At the present time, they are a near monopoly on miners of this efficiency. If you don't like what they are charging, you are free to not buy from them. Unless and until there is a near alternative, they can get away with a lot that might otherwise be unacceptable.
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December 07, 2016, 02:01:32 AM
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I think this is a black and white argument and they should have no corner to cut. I am fine with they make money as long as it's justifiable, otherwise a plain fraud it is.

With all due respect, I think you are forgetting the current position of Bitmain. At the present time, they are a near monopoly on miners of this efficiency. If you don't like what they are charging, you are free to not buy from them. Unless and until there is a near alternative, they can get away with a lot that might otherwise be unacceptable.

A guy that is arguing that shipping fraud is OK because they are a monopoly.  Wow, just blows my mind that people will take this stance with any company.  It's because people like you that companies like this think it's OK to do and get away with it.  Congrats on being one of the people on this planet making it worse to live on.  You should be very proud.  If you see people doing wrong, you're one of the people that stand by and just accept it.  Wonder how far it goes before you grow a pair, but then it'll be too late of course.
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December 07, 2016, 04:23:49 PM
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I think this is a black and white argument and they should have no corner to cut. I am fine with they make money as long as it's justifiable, otherwise a plain fraud it is.

With all due respect, I think you are forgetting the current position of Bitmain. At the present time, they are a near monopoly on miners of this efficiency. If you don't like what they are charging, you are free to not buy from them. Unless and until there is a near alternative, they can get away with a lot that might otherwise be unacceptable.

A guy that is arguing that shipping fraud is OK because they are a monopoly.  Wow, just blows my mind that people will take this stance with any company.  It's because people like you that companies like this think it's OK to do and get away with it.  Congrats on being one of the people on this planet making it worse to live on.  You should be very proud.  If you see people doing wrong, you're one of the people that stand by and just accept it.  Wonder how far it goes before you grow a pair, but then it'll be too late of course.

Shipping fraud?
They charge you for shipping and handling.
No where does it say "thou shalt pay exact fedex price"
So there is no fraud.
They can charge you $120 for S&H on something that costs $2 to ship.
Still not fraud.

Try being a Canadian and ordering shit from ebay from the USA. Then you will see ridiculous shipping prices.
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December 07, 2016, 07:54:56 PM
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I noticed something strange:
Bitmain claimed each R4 weighed 9kg. But on UPS tracking the weight is 6kg. 50% overcharging?!
It is good practice to put margin on declared weight for shipping - if otherwise receiver may get hefty surcharge from courier, especially for int. consignment.

Shipping fraud?
They charge you for shipping and handling.
No where does it say "thou shalt pay exact fedex price"
So there is no fraud.
They can charge you $120 for S&H on something that costs $2 to ship.
Still not fraud.

Try being a Canadian and ordering shit from ebay from the USA. Then you will see ridiculous shipping prices.
I just paid $100 to UPS for 3 boxes shipped from UK to France - and it was through special discount broker!!
So, how should I complain about $117 shipping from China to Europe? I think it is very close to "exact FeDex charge".
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December 07, 2016, 08:07:03 PM
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I noticed something strange:

Bitmain claimed each R4 weighed 9kg. But on UPS tracking the weight is 6kg. 50% overcharging?!

when box size is not regular ups does change rates

 but I did mine with fedex I could check it.

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December 07, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
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what kind of chip temps is everyone seeing on these?

There is a reading for "chip 1" and "chip 2" per board. I am seeing 90 (chip 1), 77 (chip2) on one board & 65 (chip 1), 77 (chip 2) on the other board

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December 07, 2016, 11:15:04 PM
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I'm seeing:  Chip 1: 101/77   Chip 2:  80/103  Room temp is 78 deg. F.
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December 07, 2016, 11:20:58 PM
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I'm seeing:  Chip 1: 101/77   Chip 2:  80/103  Room temp is 78 deg. F.

Wow that is far hotter than my batch 1 which is overclocked to 9.3T at similar room temperatures. (61/88) (66/89)
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December 07, 2016, 11:42:05 PM
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I noticed on mine there is a batch 1 serial number sticker underneath the current 8.0T sticker. Running solid at 8th/s, .0001% HW

I purchased some of these to replace my s7 space heaters but not sure they will do the job of keeping the house warm

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December 08, 2016, 03:38:05 AM
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Does this thing take some time to show hasrate? Mine just sits there doing nothing though I've already changed password and setup my pools identically as my S7.  I do see one strange thing, for Hardware Version under the system tab it says "Socket connect failed: Connection refused" which is a strange thing for a hardware version number, no?

I'll bet I got a brick here and I'm gonna get real pissed off in a bit...

-edit... uh,  nevermind, it does take a few minutes to get running.  Roll Eyes

--double edit... This thing is GREAT!  Compared to my fan modded, UC S7 this thing is basically silent, like a small desk fan on medium. Getting 8.1TH atm, well see how it runs over time.



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December 08, 2016, 03:53:46 AM
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When can we expect some sort of  FW update for these? I still see nothing on the sight for the R4 and the S9's have gone through to many FW revisions to count
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December 08, 2016, 04:04:11 AM
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Can someone running R4-B2 comment on its noise? Mine is delayed by UPS so hopefully it will come in tmr.

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December 08, 2016, 04:08:30 AM
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Can someone running R4-B2 comment on its noise? Mine is delayed by UPS so hopefully it will come in tmr.

don't have one, but Phil already posted pics with 62dB reading, which is much quieter than S7/S9, but not silent.
62db is closer to where S3 was.
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December 08, 2016, 04:54:19 AM
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Can someone running R4-B2 comment on its noise? Mine is delayed by UPS so hopefully it will come in tmr.

don't have one, but Phil already posted pics with 62dB reading, which is much quieter than S7/S9, but not silent.
62db is closer to where S3 was.

Thank you. If it's comparable to S3, then I will be happy.

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December 08, 2016, 05:09:13 AM
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Does it look like its the end of the R4 and S9 line and are the developing a new miner?
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December 08, 2016, 09:32:31 AM
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Are they still accepting payment via wire transfer. I placed my order on the 2nd of Dec paid via bank transfer. My order was expired after 3 days after contacting them I got replied that they don't accept wire transfer anymore. Has anybody got the same problem? Or has anybody got refunded after paying via wire transfer.

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December 08, 2016, 11:42:00 AM
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I asked about the possibility to revert the batch 2 R4 to be just like the batch 1 R4.
I got this answer:
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Dear customer,

The batch 2 differs from batch 1. They have different hardware. The batch 2 can not be converted to first batch by upgrading firmware.
The design of auto-tune settings is for better operation stability.

Thanks for your understanding.

Has anyone tried to see the bmminer config via SSH?
Is there any possibility to write different values for fan control or frequencies?

edit: this is how the bmminer.conf looks like with my non-autotune S9

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December 08, 2016, 05:14:03 PM
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Ouch, UPS just stung me for over $300 in taxes, duty and "handling charges"   Roll Eyes

Now I remember why I don't buy miners in the UK anymore. Lucky I have free electric for this or I wouldn't bother.  Cry

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December 08, 2016, 05:32:49 PM
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Ouch, UPS just stung me for over $300 in taxes, duty and "handling charges"   Roll Eyes

Now I remember why I don't buy miners in the UK anymore. Lucky I have free electric for this or I wouldn't bother.  Cry

That's exactly why I haven't bought a new miner from outside the EU. Ridiculous charges from government, then the handling charges on top of that aswell  Roll Eyes

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December 08, 2016, 08:43:00 PM
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Ouch, UPS just stung me for over $300 in taxes, duty and "handling charges"   Roll Eyes

Now I remember why I don't buy miners in the UK anymore. Lucky I have free electric for this or I wouldn't bother.  Cry

I paid £379.31 to FeDex for import charge (two units) - 20% as expected.
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