[ANN] Firo (FIRO) - Implementing ZKP privacy without trusted setup

[traumschiff]

ZCASH was added to polo and bittrex on the same day the first coin appeared, so what are we talking about??
Money talks, dogs bark.

Exactly. First they check volume.
After they check development. And it's missing on zcoin.
There is a roadmap with nothing so "innovative" for next 5-6 month.

Probably poloniex will reconsider zcoin next 6 month, when and if mtp will be added to zcoin.

Until then there is no reason to add zcoin to poloniex. Low volume, no roadmap for at east 2 month.
Polo will not add coin cause there is a new website. loool

You have literally no clue what Poloniex checks, unlike you I have actually known an ex Polo wallet admin for a long enough time and it's really not that simple as "needs volume". So many coins have been added without constant EVEN MEDIOCRE volume.

I like how you keep spamming bullshit comments while acting knowledged.

I'm running a private zcoin pool.
Every 2 days i need to restart cause memory required is going to be every day higher!!
This algo is broken!!
Mark my words. Zcoin will not survive with this algo for next 30 days.

Suprnova has all the hash, who is mining on your so called private pool? You with a gameboy?

Also ocminer (suprnova pool op) was already contacted with an offer on help (fix or whatever). It was stated on slack.

Anything else you can bullshit over? You really should know when to stop, I responded to every comment you made and instead of trying to challenge it you just hop on another "issue", which got answered aswell. Feel like you are doing the textbook trolling 101, again I would ask anyone reading this to look up his comment history. Not everyone will believe your trolling, specially when it's not backed up with anything.

Seriously? People who point out legit issues are "trolls"??

Devs are currently rolling in cash on this coin and cannot even be bothered to show up in the thread, fix the OP, do any marketing. Oh wait a minute, they ran a Reddit ad. That was genius.

Do the math on what 20%  is so far, then ask yourself where is the community manager? Where are the demo videos, where are the use cases?

Lambo baby. Go get'er Gary, this scam is on autopilot.

Kind of sad how another new member of this community (you) can not differentiate between trolling and valuable discussion. I adressed every single recent comment of his and gave an answer to it, he wasn't criticizing, he was simply being a troll. Read it back and read his comment history afterwards.

There are certain points, which need to be worked on in this project. Marketing is on the low side and so is the "pace of progress", but this doesn't mean that the developments are running slow, it is simply slow in crypto terms, because the avg investor here has an attention span of a goldfish.

The trolls points on top of my head:

1) Polo won't add zcoin, Polo only goes for volume coins

Incorrect, see last 20 adds, you will find tons of coins which had similar avg volume to XZC (or lower). I also knew a polo wallet admin and they didn't go for volume coins simply because they had volume.

2) No reason to add XZC to Poloniex

Zcoin has currently one of the highest level of anonimity a crypto project can offer, up there with Zcash and higher than Monero.

3) Zcash has more lines of codes submitted to github than Zcoin

And? Quantity over Quality anyday. Zcash is also a way more funded project than Zcoin currently, with a bigger team. Zcash also had it's anonimity feature flawed at start, which needed fixing. It's the SINGLE FEATURE the project has. So more lines submitted (aka bugfixing) means it's a superior project?

4) Algo is flawed, coin will die in 30 days.

A brand new algo is being implemented, no other coin has it, seems superior to other sollutions. Meanwhile a fix is being worked on as we speek. Poramin wen't to see a university professor to talk about MTP and it's possible implementation. Anyone can see this if they join Slack. Progress can not be measured by purely watching github.

I responded in more detail to his trollish comments, but please let me know if I forgot to summarize correctly for you, since you seem to have the brain size of a chipmunk since you feel that he is being talked down for no reason and he isn't trolling with his comment history.

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[traumschiff]

ANN copied from Slack:


Issues on Lyra2 algo for pool operators are noted and MTP is being worked on.  There is a planned adjustment to the existing Lyra algo as a temporary measure to keep pools running so that it doesn't keep increasing with block height.

[2:11] 
Poloniex, we are getting some help on that but nothing promised so far. Will keep you guys updated when I get more info.

[2:15] 
We are aware also of the FUD being spread over obvious untruths such as Zcoin being a Zcash fork. We can educate, but only those who open their eyes, will see. Thanks to those who defended us with the facts.

[2:16] 
Informational video script is being worked on and we hope to have a decent explanatory video for newcomers.

[2:18] 
Any questions on these please refer them to #chat thank you!

[traspy]

ANN copied from Slack:


Issues on Lyra2 algo for pool operators are noted and MTP is being worked on.  There is a planned adjustment to the existing Lyra algo as a temporary measure to keep pools running so that it doesn't keep increasing with block height.

[2:11]  
Poloniex, we are getting some help on that but nothing promised so far. Will keep you guys updated when I get more info.

[2:15]  
We are aware also of the FUD being spread over obvious untruths such as Zcoin being a Zcash fork. We can educate, but only those who open their eyes, will see. Thanks to those who defended us with the facts.

[2:16]  
Informational video script is being worked on and we hope to have a decent explanatory video for newcomers.

[2:18]  
Any questions on these please refer them to #chat thank you!

1 year development and no time to made basic marketing and promotion before launch?
1 year, 365 days,+ 1 month from release. still working on a video?
it's a video or a movie? who's the director? Martin Scorzese?

Anyway, what abour recent meeting from poramin with professor? It happened days ago. And?

[traspy]

I think zcoin is a crappy scam coin for many reason,that's some:

- 1 year development to release a coin with scrypt-n algo instamined easely with titan scrypt asic (everyone knows it dev apart? lol)
- Quick change algo to modified lyra, WITHOUT any proper test (1 days test and go!) lol.

Poramin previous scam was called VERTCOIN. do you know which algo was? oh, it was Scrypt-n then modified into Lyra. Anz zcoin? Scrypt-n then modified with lyra.

This prove poramin knoweledge are the same of 2014. No innovation. Same story repeat.

[matejbilahora]

Well as I see it there will always be some coins created by the same devs only changing the algo. Anyway how difficult is it to create a poll for mining? What does one need to create proper working pool?

[traumschiff]

ANN copied from Slack:


Issues on Lyra2 algo for pool operators are noted and MTP is being worked on.  There is a planned adjustment to the existing Lyra algo as a temporary measure to keep pools running so that it doesn't keep increasing with block height.

[2:11]  
Poloniex, we are getting some help on that but nothing promised so far. Will keep you guys updated when I get more info.

[2:15]  
We are aware also of the FUD being spread over obvious untruths such as Zcoin being a Zcash fork. We can educate, but only those who open their eyes, will see. Thanks to those who defended us with the facts.

[2:16]  
Informational video script is being worked on and we hope to have a decent explanatory video for newcomers.

[2:18]  
Any questions on these please refer them to #chat thank you!

1 year development and no time to made basic marketing and promotion before launch?
1 year, 365 days,+ 1 month from release. still working on a video?
it's a video or a movie? who's the director? Martin Scorzese?

Anyway, what abour recent meeting from poramin with professor? It happened days ago. And?

Zcash did more than a year development time, launched with flawed anonimity and no wallets or a video. Is it a scam? No.

Is this a scam? No.

This is the very first implementation of a working ZeroCoin protocol, nothing more and nothing less currently. Damn son, you must be a true detective to deliver such a solid proof for a scam accusation.

[tomsmith26]

Well as I see it there will always be some coins created by the same devs only changing the algo. Anyway how difficult is it to create a poll for mining? What does one need to create proper working pool?

I think that there will be a changing for algo and now it's time to buy cheap xzc coins and you will get big profit in future

[zcoinofficial]

Those who think spinning up a coin with a Zerocoin implementation is a simple task, I think the fact that Zerocoin being so widely cited by academics yet this is the first and only implementation of it speaks volumes. There were many scaling issues that needed to be overcome for it to be even a working implementation.

With a much smaller budget, focus was more on getting the working implementation up and even then there are still hurdles to overcome. I think for the most part, Zcoin has achieved this.

I think anyone who has been involved with many other good quality coin projects with smaller budgets have seen how it takes time for what outsiders may see as basic marketing info. This is rapidly being worked on.

With the Vertcoin history, when Poramin founded Vertcoin he was joined by Boris and Erik who came in as core-devs and therefore Poramin took a back seat. Boris and Erik were subsequently replaced by Adam and James and the last release was a couple of months ago in 17 June 2016. James is now studying in MIT and Adam is working on his own startup. Poramin did consider coming back to Vertcoin to help develop EVM and that is still a possibility in the future when things settle down with Zcoin but his priority and focus now is with Zcoin and the investors who backed the project. The MTP algorithm change is quite an urgent piece of work.

For updates on github, only code that has undergone some testing goes on github. For e.g., Poramin's work with the temporary algo fix is not pushed until it's tested (which he is testing right now). Similarly MTP algo work is only pushed when there is something working.

As for Poramin's meetup with the professor, this clarified certain issues with the implementation of MTP as certain things were not properly notated in the paper and thus was confusing. Once that was clarified, the path to implementing MTP is much clearer and should be done faster than originally planned.

[zcoinofficial]

I'm running a private zcoin pool.
Every 2 days i need to restart cause memory required is going to be every day higher!!
This algo is broken!!
Mark my words. Zcoin will not survive with this algo for next 30 days.

Hi Jeremy, do contact me on Slack on #mining and we can see if we can help you out. The block height parameter is going to be capped soon and we're testing code before pushing it.

[zcoinofficial]

Also until I hit the 30 post mark, my images on the OP won't show due to BCT guidelines. I'll talk more

[idolacchacked]

yes im going to invest all my money in to this

dev has to ask his professor... gives me great confidence to put my life savings 

[traspy]

Bitcoin pump = Zcoin dump
Bitcoin dump = Zcoin dump

 

[Ayers]

Thats why i am not a fan of Cpu only algos

Means Botnets Choice and that means constant Sellpressure from "free" Coins.
I bet botnet guys where hoarding for the Zcash Release and then they dumped it to shit over the BTC run.

Considering real mining Efforts, Momentum and poor Blockrewards this should be arround 40-50$.
That Red Candle of unloads (very likely from Botnets) killed it for now imo.

the problem with this also, is that a gpu miner would be pointless because it will be on par with cpu, really a bad thing for us miner, it will only help mining centralization with aws instances, like someone else said they should have done this with lyra2re2 instead of a fancy lyra2 with some adjusted parameters

[traumschiff]

Thats why i am not a fan of Cpu only algos

Means Botnets Choice and that means constant Sellpressure from "free" Coins.
I bet botnet guys where hoarding for the Zcash Release and then they dumped it to shit over the BTC run.

Considering real mining Efforts, Momentum and poor Blockrewards this should be arround 40-50$.
That Red Candle of unloads (very likely from Botnets) killed it for now imo.

the problem with this also, is that a gpu miner would be pointless because it will be on par with cpu, really a bad thing for us miner, it will only help mining centralization with aws instances, like someone else said they should have done this with lyra2re2 instead of a fancy lyra2 with some adjusted parameters

AWS started banning users that used bought credits, slack is full with people complaining so that's good for investors now. Also the new algo will be cpu friendly, but might prevent botnets: "We believe MTP is the way to prevent botnets from mining while allowing normal legitimate CPUs to perform proof of work."

Source: https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/wiki/Roadmap

[magaura]

BTC down.. and we are going up.. whop whop

[TeamButtcoin]

Can I mine this coin with lyra2re2 miner? Nicehash lyra2re2  is supported or  is it  a custom algo? Any idea? Still now I've mined with my CPUs but I intend to buy some hash power.

[golfhuso]

Zcoin is good, give them chance. It just those botnets that keep selling it to oblivion.
Some guys can get fk cheap AWS credits and they don't care much about the roadmap and such.

[slugmandrew]

Time will tell what happens 

And yes, price should stop getting dumped on as aws cracking down a bit on miners

[traspy]

BTC down.. and we are going up.. whop whop

Where do you see a pump? was 0.0025 and after btc dump zcoin is still at 0.0025
95% of poloniex are green. zcoin is always red.

From the first 13 most traded coin on bitterx after btc dump, zcoin is the worst.
Waves: +8%
Nlg: +20%
Dash: +4%
Eth: +5%
Lisk: +11%
Xaur: +15%
xzc: -10%




Who was the expert trader who said: "when btc dump ALL alt goes up?"
"all alt ZCOIN apart"

[traumschiff]

BTC down.. and we are going up.. whop whop

Where do you see a pump? was 0.0025 and after btc dump zcoin is still at 0.0025
95% of poloniex are green. zcoin is always red.

From the first 13 most traded coin on bitterx after btc dump, zcoin is the worst.
Waves: +8%
Nlg: +20%
Dash: +4%
Eth: +5%
Lisk: +11%
Xaur: +15%
xzc: -10%




Who was the expert trader who said: "when btc dump ALL alt goes up?"
"all alt ZCOIN apart"

It did actually go up to 315k before going back down.  So nothing he said was untrue.

You are still a lowlife though with 2 much free time.