[ANN] Firo (FIRO) - Implementing ZKP privacy without trusted setup

[zcoinofficial]

Quick Dev Update - 27 July 2017
Poramin should be pushing updates to MTP soon to resolve the issues found by mbevand in the bounty.

Djm34 and Leorei have rewritten the rpcmining interface so that it now accepts the larger proofs for the miner.

Aizensou's core upgrade code is complete and testing Zerocoin functions is underway but looks good for the moment.

Core upgrade seems to have improved sync speed and reliability greatly.

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[ljp7839008]

 zcoin Wallet too original too antique 

[AND01]

The development team should improve the wallet and the wallet is too bad

[zcoinofficial]

Core upgrade is exactly what you guys are asking for. That's a wallet upgrade.

[The Cryptophilanthropist]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here?? 

All replies welcome....thanks 

[AngusCanine]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here??  

All replies welcome....thanks  

total speculation, Zcoin undervalued by a long way, look at Zcash, monero, Dash, really it's the only coin offering zero knowledge with an audit able supply

[volyova]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here??  

All replies welcome....thanks  

total speculation, Zcoin undervalued by a long way, look at Zcash, monero, Dash, really it's the only coin offering zero knowledge with an audit able supply

Excellent summation of the potential of XZC, Angus.

[The Cryptophilanthropist]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here??  

All replies welcome....thanks  

total speculation, Zcoin undervalued by a long way, look at Zcash, monero, Dash, really it's the only coin offering zero knowledge with an audit able supply

Excellent summation of the potential of XZC, Angus.

Thank you for your replies so far, are most using the tpruvot ccminer at this time ( i mine nvidia ) or is there a better solution on the table (PM welcome if preferred) I really like this coin structure and algo

[cyberspacemonkey]

Quick Dev Update - 27 July 2017
Poramin should be pushing updates to MTP soon to resolve the issues found by mbevand in the bounty.

Djm34 and Leorei have rewritten the rpcmining interface so that it now accepts the larger proofs for the miner.

Aizensou's core upgrade code is complete and testing Zerocoin functions is underway but looks good for the moment.

Core upgrade seems to have improved sync speed and reliability greatly.

With all the progress that's being done with MTP the price is super cheap right now, once MTP is officially implemented and after the BTC fork has passed hopefully it will recover.

[xs.over]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here??  

All replies welcome....thanks  

I have same thoughts
Now miningpoolhub hold ~35Gh of 45Gh whole network. The second big pool is suprnova with just ~2Gh hashrate. So we see crazy high centralization by one pool
P.S.: Earlier this month notwork hashrate doubled just in few days.

I can't understand from where are coming these huge amount of hashrate? XZC net hashrate grows very quickly. At the same time, profitability is very low, about 4 times lower than on most other altcoins.
So, this is a botnet, or what is it ??  
77Gh net hashrate it's about 65K pcs gtx 1060 GPUs. Seriously??? and all these miners still mining this coin, while other altcoins offering 3x, 4x higher profit?? smells fishly

Two biggest pools have only ~ 23Gh hashrate! Where the rest net hashrate is sitting? Seems what the resh hashrate is HIGHLY centralised by SOLO miners (botnets)

[wareen]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here??  

All replies welcome....thanks  

total speculation, Zcoin undervalued by a long way, look at Zcash, monero, Dash, really it's the only coin offering zero knowledge with an audit able supply

Excellent summation of the potential of XZC, Angus.

Thank you for your replies so far, are most using the tpruvot ccminer at this time ( i mine nvidia ) or is there a better solution on the table (PM welcome if preferred) I really like this coin structure and algo

I know them, top 15 miner in miningpoolhub are botnet or vps worker. They can use many more cpu for mining not need spend money for do that, so they alway live in top 15 in long time and not care about profit because free all

[CjMapope]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here??  

All replies welcome....thanks  

total speculation, Zcoin undervalued by a long way, look at Zcash, monero, Dash, really it's the only coin offering zero knowledge with an audit able supply

Excellent summation of the potential of XZC, Angus.

Thank you for your replies so far, are most using the tpruvot ccminer at this time ( i mine nvidia ) or is there a better solution on the table (PM welcome if preferred) I really like this coin structure and algo

im mining for speculation mostly as well, tho for me if the price dosent take a huge climb, ill just hold till my "Znode" ROI's me hehe.
This coin's development is still young, and i personally think MTP will bring ALOT of attention to zcoin, the Miner competition is on now so it wont be long now
I use ccminer too ya, there's nothing better i have found, and it's super stable

[Burmik123]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here??  

All replies welcome....thanks  

total speculation, Zcoin undervalued by a long way, look at Zcash, monero, Dash, really it's the only coin offering zero knowledge with an audit able supply

Excellent summation of the potential of XZC, Angus.

Thank you for your replies so far, are most using the tpruvot ccminer at this time ( i mine nvidia ) or is there a better solution on the table (PM welcome if preferred) I really like this coin structure and algo

I know them, top 15 miner in miningpoolhub are botnet or vps worker. They can use many more cpu for mining not need spend money for do that, so they alway live in top 15 in long time and not care about profit because free all

I thought, that botnets and vps workers do not mining now because of MTP release. And of course if botnets are still available to mining, it will have bad influence to price.
Also one question - any news about Z-nodes?

[bamsterdam]

I know botnets where there form the start we had a different algo then but I thought the new algo was supposed to fix this, or at least make it a lot less feasablie to do. asics seemed like not a option to me thats why I said it seemed highly unlikely, thats why I was wondering how the high hashrate could be explained.

It wasn't botnets as far as I know, a bunch of people just found out how to get AWS credits for free and unleashed insane numbers of Amazon instances on Zcoin.

ah oke I think I missed this bc I dont follow tread enough. I thought we where allready on MTP algo but where on lyra2z now instead?

It's been Lyra2Z since February... MTP is running on testnet and open source miners are being developed, and at the moment it's scheduled to launch at block 47500 (which should be around August 13), barring any further delays due to weaknesses found or anything like that.

oke thanks I mixed things up. first I thought we where already on mtp algo but then I understood we where on a transition algo what gave me the impression that we just switched or something in preperation for mtp what seemed kind of strange in the timeframe but should have read it more extensivly.

Goodluck to all the bug finders!

[bamsterdam]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here??  

All replies welcome....thanks  

total speculation, Zcoin undervalued by a long way, look at Zcash, monero, Dash, really it's the only coin offering zero knowledge with an audit able supply

But if they mine pure for speculation why not mine a other more profitable coin and trade them back for more zcoin? Oh well maybe it doenst matter at all since new minging algo is arround the corner but still is a bit strange

[AngusCanine]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here??  

All replies welcome....thanks  

total speculation, Zcoin undervalued by a long way, look at Zcash, monero, Dash, really it's the only coin offering zero knowledge with an audit able supply

But if they mine pure for speculation why not mine a other more profitable coin and trade them back for more zcoin? Oh well maybe it doenst matter at all since new minging algo is arround the corner but still is a bit strange

mabye it's just for thrill of saying they're mining Zcoin

[zcoinofficial]

Mining question : I see a significant amount of mining power just looking at Miningpoolhub's stats page.

I am wondering what is true re: this ( IMHO ) mining "anomaly"...... the hashpower required to put numbers in the top 15 is fairly large....

Whichever equipment is being used to produce it, calculations suggest those committing such number to Zcoin could make significantly more income

mining a few other coins, nets, algos.

>> Are these miner speculating..... dedicated.... Have advantaged software for mining...?

This has been bothering me for awhile now..... I have a small "farm" and could not see profits, at this time, mining Zcoin unless I was speculating on the future....

Am I missing some info here??  

All replies welcome....thanks  

total speculation, Zcoin undervalued by a long way, look at Zcash, monero, Dash, really it's the only coin offering zero knowledge with an audit able supply

But if they mine pure for speculation why not mine a other more profitable coin and trade them back for more zcoin? Oh well maybe it doenst matter at all since new minging algo is arround the corner but still is a bit strange

Indeed, we ourselves are surprised at the hash rate. Not sure how many other 'CPU-friendly' coins are out there tho.

[awill333]

Just to reiterate, in case my previous posts were not seen by the reader, I had a problem with zcoin the other day. I was testing mint zero coin function from the GUI wallet, I minted two 50 coin increments of zerocoins. One of the the procedures worked fine. I have included the data from both of the mint zerocoin transactions because I am not entirely sure which one was received and which one was not. It is all a bit confusing.. However, I am no idiot and actually I was in the moment of doing testing for software that I am devleloping that was to include zcoin support.

I wrote a post on this forum explaining my problem and instead of receiving any help I was simply directed to private communications and then re-directed to "slack" to talk to "the developer". I did create an account there but now I am having problems logging into it which is also quite infuriating. Did I mention that over the course of loading and reloading and reloading and reloading the blockchain from a non corrupt and working-just-fine wallet I have used well over 30 hours of my personal time. Time which I could have been working on my own projects implementing coins that function as promised. This wallet is nothing more than a piece of beta test software that was unleashed on the public so we could be "guinea pigs". After having a problem logging into slack I have become quite infuriated about this whole situation. I have wasted so much of my time on it now without any consulting with "the developer", that my time is more valuable to me than the stupid 50 zcoins that were lost. That doesnt amount to much more than $300 while if I was being paid even a pathetic low wage for my applied efforts regarding this particular problem it would be well over $1000. (at an insultingly low / hr wage btw).

I am not getting paid to develop zcoin, nor am I getting paid to lose my money and help the "developer" (who is claiming a founders fee of 20%) to make his code better. The facts are simple, I compiled this software from the source code myself as I do with all of the other wallets that I have been testing. The result was a _horrendous_ amount of "warnings" I am surprised it even compiled! They were warnings from broken libzerocoin not my fault. the other daemons I have compiled since was zero warnings. It is no surprise the coin disappeared, I should have realized the score when I compiled.

Why am I writing this text now? There are a few reasons I am wasting even more of my time and haven't quite written this off as a loss yet. One is in hopes somebody can provide me some INFORMATION as to how to GET MY COINS BACK because nobody has bother to do so. I have not had a single question answered, only a redirect to another confounded situation. I believe the answer to my statement of "not agreeing to move the conversation behind close doors" was something along the lines of "we may require your private keys" . And just what makes you think that I trust you, "the developer", or SLACKs unsecured messaging system with my PRIVATE KEYS? Are you all insane or do you think we are all just so stupid we will use software that has 50% FAIL when minting zero coins. Yes, I minted 4 parcels of zero coins two of them were 50xzc parcels and the other two were 1xzc portion. 2/4 (50%) mintings were lost. This is not my fault the wallet is bullsh*t.

I would like to take a moment right now to publically apologize to PLAYING POODLES because I publically talked rudely to him when he was simply expressing the dissent of the slipshod modality being applied by these "developers" and using our loss as their gain. That software never should have been released on the public and there is NO WAY it should have a version number as high as it is. That is EXTREME BETA software AT BEST. It should show up with WARNINGS THAT YOUR COIN MAY VAPORIZE and if so YOU WONT RECEIVE HELP WHEN YOU ASK DIRECTLY FOR IT.
Prove me wrong by answering my questions. WHERE THE F*CK ARE MY ZCOINS? This is more of a public service at this point than an expectation of getting my coins back. I refuse to transmit private keys over unsecured systems and I refuse to trasmit same to parties I DO NOT know OR TRUST.

I was all about Zcoin and I sold all of the bytecoin and every coin that I had to stock up on Zcoin exclusively. I started writing software for zcoins implementation to real world function. I wont mention what I am selling all of my zcoin right now to trade so nobody thinks I am here for the selfish interest. After seeing the code (I am now using) for the daemon compile without any warnings, code that is far more complex, I have much more faith that that software will not lose my coins. AND THEY WARN YOU WHEN THE WALLET IS BETA.

so this is a word to the wise. I hope if you plan on investing in zcoin you try MULTIPLE MINT ZERO COIN TRANSACTIONS because the developers DID NOT SUFFICIENTLY TEST THE MOST IMPERATIVE FUNCTION OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM !!!!

Yes that is severe and all capitals but if you think I am watching clowns throw away my money because they wrote sh*tty code and not complaining about it, that is just crazy.


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---wallet info:

Status: 1401 confirmations
Date: 7/20/17 13:42
Debit: -50.00 XZC
Transaction fee: -0.01 XZC
Net amount: -50.01 XZC
Transaction ID: fe49fc5a9dd8595b4ed92722ab1e5a98e2b00b0198c17831e863eb96b6e74d63

---cryptoid.info:

Details for Transaction
Hash   fe49fc5a9dd8595b4ed92722ab1e5a98e2b00b0198c17831e863eb96b6e74d63
Block Height   44089 (1401 confirmations)
Block Date/Time   2017-07-20 20:48:47
Total Output   56.51026806 XZC
Fees   0.01 XZC

Inputs
Index   Previous output   Address   Amount
0   ec55d5424a451705...:1   a6ye1FUJAeXjVuF5E6gLq5yzuR7ENxw2D3   6.54026806 XZC
1   cf662a5d8a63e5b2...:1   aJHDQJqCEEAN9Yj7XrYFKVznu5MFzpviCm   49.98 XZC
Outputs
Index   Redeemed in   Address   Amount
0   Anonymous   MARKER19fc0192548d1b4d71ec456c3fbdf7bf90fd9c6f884bcc74633741e7ba8392cfdd2fb6c80 924e9f1bfcafdf7dd118c283f3c35ce9f36f8ab171d55df8d0394aa988e5cca333e8849dc5a0103 503c6a4fea181a3abd5bd940bf41be14998136f2d7834182b3dbd500e180d59b837ee047e14305a 2f4addc02704c40c4dbebdb29   50.0 XZC
1   Not yet redeemed   a5ELK3GdkEFuzwsrnAfQYKzHUSbEQaTaes   6.51026806 XZC

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---wallet info:

Status: 1391 confirmations
Date: 7/20/17 16:59
Debit: -50.00 XZC
Transaction fee: -0.01 XZC
Net amount: -50.01 XZC
Transaction ID: 1e285701633d76afd1f0167332b7ade372ecf71e1cdfa1e27345d3e19df6fc9b

---cryptoid.info:

Details for Transaction
Hash   1e285701633d76afd1f0167332b7ade372ecf71e1cdfa1e27345d3e19df6fc9b
Block Height   44099 (1391 confirmations)
Block Date/Time   2017-07-21 00:24:26
Total Output   57.9754676 XZC
Fees   0.01 XZC

Inputs
Index   Previous output   Address   Amount
0   ecec6376b7dc4553...:1   aJHDQJqCEEAN9Yj7XrYFKVznu5MFzpviCm   57.9854676 XZC
Outputs
Index   Redeemed in   Address   Amount
0   f1359b7446538a6a...   a8NsNQRox1fa3cEs8pKePq9nRNbTps5sP6   7.9754676 XZC
1   Anonymous   MARKER4b7ae75aafd08f3409576e92f6b69cb32e5365484a25156d8833b242b315c3d0bb6b980bf b482dd07ab958786ddc698e2f48c5fe7ca4c7be12aa058003e41c563e3c545cd5d47602b297b680 cb546115220e300d3d1081ae70759375426feb5b3b4d9b71ce70215ac036263a3e4fd61421fdec7 1d1afe1182235817a0372268800   50.0 XZC

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Address of supposed zcoin receive, present in my wallet, generated as a result of mintzerocoin function. never received anything:

aAXQzvBL56EzkGngZgeQxcBGv9bowY2P5k

wallet info for the address of supposed transaction:
Status: 0/unconfirmed
Date: 7/20/17 16:45
Source: Generated
Credit: 50.00 XZC
Net amount: +50.00 XZC
Transaction ID: b70404e9d07a13f1816e7ad723c31b04d810c998ff3d6571f737909ab25d7281

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By the way all of these texts were copied out of my wallet and block explorer today, the 30th of July. As you can see the above address aAXQzvBL56EzkGngZgeQxcBGv9bowY2P5k never received ANYTHING although the wallet claims the coins were sent there it was never verified by the network.

So yes expect to be criticized publically when your wallet is eating peoples coins for breakfast. I am deeply insulted by this event. Not because of my measly loss but because of the potential loss for any and all customers who I would encourage to use the software that was being written who may lose an infinity amount of coins minting zcoin with only 50% success. What possible justification can you have to release a product like that on the public other than blatant lies and promises that it "does work" ?

I expect any data to be presented about this subject to be presented publically. THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW WHY THOSE COINS WERE VAPORIZED AND IF YOU FIX THE PROBLEM OR NOT.
No, I will not give my private keys to any address. If you have advice for troubleshooting (WHICH I ALREADY REQUESTED), you may provide it in knowing that I am a highly skilled and technically oriented person more than capable of troubleshooting this problem if you have any information that I do not currently have such as where the f* is my money.

[maxuscz]

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Address of supposed zcoin receive, present in my wallet, generated as a result of mintzerocoin function. never received anything:

aAXQzvBL56EzkGngZgeQxcBGv9bowY2P5k

wallet info for the address of supposed transaction:
Status: 0/unconfirmed
Date: 7/20/17 16:45
Source: Generated
Credit: 50.00 XZC
Net amount: +50.00 XZC
Transaction ID: b70404e9d07a13f1816e7ad723c31b04d810c998ff3d6571f737909ab25d7281

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By the way all of these texts were copied out of my wallet and block explorer today, the 30th of July. As you can see the above address aAXQzvBL56EzkGngZgeQxcBGv9bowY2P5k never received ANYTHING although the wallet claims the coins were sent there it was never verified by the network.

So yes expect to be criticized publically when your wallet is eating peoples coins for breakfast. I am deeply insulted by this event. Not because of my measly loss but because of the potential loss for any and all customers who I would encourage to use the software that was being written who may lose an infinity amount of coins minting zcoin with only 50% success. What possible justification can you have to release a product like that on the public other than blatant lies and promises that it "does work" ?

I expect any data to be presented about this subject to be presented publically. THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW WHY THOSE COINS WERE VAPORIZED AND IF YOU FIX THE PROBLEM OR NOT.
No, I will not give my private keys to any address. If you have advice for troubleshooting (WHICH I ALREADY REQUESTED), you may provide it in knowing that I am a highly skilled and technically oriented person more than capable of troubleshooting this problem if you have any information that I do not currently have such as where the f* is my money.

Don't understand whats going on. Im sure - somebody come and explain to us this situation.
Cose we wait MTP miner but you , man, talk about problem inside system.
Here is 223 pages. Somebody lost coins?? Cose somebody must see that problem befor.

[AngusCanine]

I downloaded the Linux wallet tried all the functions, and didn't have any problems, the only thing that I've noticed is if the computer shuts down improperly (eg power outage or wife holds the power button to get the kids off it) when rebooting the function to start the wallet automatically it runs in the background and in order to use it I'd have to kill the process first and restart the wallet. I'd have to say even with this small problem the wallet is always synced when I do restart it. Let me recap that all functions worked including mint zerocoin!!!