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June 20, 2017, 06:56:14 PM
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when is coin going moon? #ThingsThatMatter
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June 20, 2017, 07:13:28 PM
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Dead scamcoin.

I wish I had sold all my MOON when I still had the chance.  Angry
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June 20, 2017, 07:35:37 PM
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In March there was a good consensus,
I just don't see the consensus now, I see toxic talks in the thread which never happened before,

also several old members, including agswinner, polemarhos, arcmetal etc. told that they didn't want a new logo for MOON,
but they agreed to have it for ML,

to change a logo of decentralized coin, there should be a good consensus, and again: not to change it too often.

Is there any concept/description for a new logo proposal?

I don't understand the whole point on logo changing. When it went from the Yellow Moon to the Half blue moon I said ok that looks nice. But now you guys are changing it again? Seriously? I feel like who ever is in charge of the logos is acting like a 10 year old brat. 1 Logo change is enough.... Don't turn this into a bad habit and DO NOT FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN!


Anyways. I really hope Moon hits 25 sats soon.
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June 20, 2017, 08:16:59 PM
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Now the voting does not take into account the participant's weight, a person with 100 MOON has the same value as a person with 1 million MOON.

This is illogical and wrong. Moreover, even a person who does not have a MOON can vote, which is absurd.

I think that voting should be conducted taking into account the weight of the participant. The person who invested more money in MOON has more weight. He risks big money.

It is very easy to implement, just make an MOON-address, write some minimal random amount (1-1000 MOON) and then send it to this MOON-address. This will be the verification of the voting participant.

Without this, any vote is invalid, because The voter can be without a MOON at all.
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June 20, 2017, 09:26:43 PM
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Now the voting does not take into account the participant's weight, a person with 100 MOON has the same value as a person with 1 million MOON.

This is illogical and wrong. Moreover, even a person who does not have a MOON can vote, which is absurd.

I think that voting should be conducted taking into account the weight of the participant. The person who invested more money in MOON has more weight. He risks big money.

It is very easy to implement, just make an MOON-address, write some minimal random amount (1-1000 MOON) and then send it to this MOON-address. This will be the verification of the voting participant.

Without this, any vote is invalid, because The voter can be without a MOON at all.

I have to ask, how is it that you think that this kind of toxic oligarchic attitude won't turn off every small investor. Join our community, so you can be talked down to by people who hold more of the currency than you will ever be able to afford. Decentralized currency, controlled by those holding the most. Oh hypocracy, thy name is Nico. Everyone would be gone due to your selfish attitude, and yet you would remain cursing the darkness for not being helpful enough.
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June 20, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
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In the end, I hope we all do! Cheesy

At this point, let's conclude an amicable agreement Smiley We both do a lot for MOON.

It is a wonderful thing to see warring parties kiss and make up.

For my two cents on mooncoin's nomenclature:  if there's to be any changes to its name or logo it should always include some form of the Moon.  Whether it be a full moon, half moon, crescent, waxing gibbous, etc, it would be silly not to include it. There are many reasons for this, I'll name one.... What if at some point we get to expand into the Chinese markets?  They consider it a symbol of harmony, luck and so on.  To have the Moon as the coin's core symbol would be a great advantage in that environment.

Don't get me wrong, I think the new "M" symbol looks great (albeit a bit generic), I just don't see its relevance to this coin.  And so, its a decent compromise when Mooncoin_Foundation suggested it could be used for Moonlite.
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June 20, 2017, 11:15:01 PM
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People that think this period of discussion is 'toxic' need to go and read the old ANN, at least the first 300 pages  Wink

mooncoin had so much drama at the beginning, right through until September, as Deaconboogie had gone AWOL

Now, the people who held this coin together over that period were primarily coinflow, agswinner, Redjedievolution.

agswinner did a lot to get us on bleutrade, where I think most of the volume has gone.

coinflow acted as a great community manager over the period where there was none. Years even.

Redjedievolution invested a heap into bringing the coin back to life from 2 litoshi, though maybe at his own financial interest, it still benefited the coin as a whole and kept it alive.

There of course were many others who contributed time and effort over the last few years I haven't mentioned, but maybe if these other veteran people were allowed to weigh in on the direction of mooncoin, there would be a lot more fairness. Not just the two who currently oppose change.

Even agswinner commented before

The logo has nothing to do with the moon, remove the inscription "MOONCOIN" and nobody will guess about the moon. Absolutely inexpressive. From the category "order 100 business cards and get a logo as a gift".

I agree.
The new logo proposal is not bad in general, but every coin which name starts with 'M' could use this logo.
The logo should be simple, but not only simple, it should be linked to the Moon theme.
The Blue Moon logo matches the idea.

Edit: maybe to use the new logo for Moonlite (ML)?

Agree.

Yes, I also agree.

👍

and

You lied by saying you didn't know about the logo contest, but you direct messaged me on the Discord the day the contest was started.

So you did know about it.

You then further lied by saying you didn't have time to say anything about the logo and repeated you didn't know about the contest and that
*you had never been on the Discord*

You did, and you had been. To direct message me, remember?

You lied by saying you provided a bigger part of the C-CEX fund when I personally donated near a half BTC of that myself, with others
putting in as well. Thank you for your contribution by helping out there, but you didn't put in as much as you claimed to in the conversation
on the Discord.

So:

My message:

"Nico - 10/06/2017
And what do not you like about the current logo?"

Then there was not your chosen logo, there were some others, I was surprised by the fact of choice, I thought the question was solved. Your discordapp.com requires presence, I do not have time for this. I could easily miss.

New logo "Larrimar - 06/12/2017 "

Your lies.

"You lied by saying you provided a bigger part of the C-CEX fund when I personally donated near a half.
Putting in as well. There you are, but in the conversation
On the Discord. "

You are lying.

I donated 0.98 BTC to vote in C-CEX.


I'm waiting for an apology.
Honestly, I'm tied to the old logo, but the new is  innovation, it's good, and it may have changed 😀



So although he is fond of the old logo more, at least agswinner is open to discussion and not openly dismissive.
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June 21, 2017, 12:17:17 AM
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So although he is fond of the old logo more, at least agswinner is open to discussion and not openly dismissive.

Im open to any discussion of any logo which CONTAINS A MOON. Anything without a moon is a total failure and unacceptable for a coin called MOONCOIN. The Moon is one of the most loved and popular symbols in the entire world. Including by people who dont speak Engrish and dont care whatsoever about a letter M with a slash through it. Its almost impossible to improve upon the Moon, its THAT well loved! This is not rocket science, its common sense to people with a brain who actually use it. Period.

If the original is somehow not good enough.... Let's make a great MOON logo that people will instantly say "Oh that obviously must be Mooncoin." FYI that IS the purpose of a logo, instant recognition of your product. So then just maybe we might get back to actually making the coin have real-world value to investors and users. I can promise you 1 thing.... no moon in the logo, NO LONGTERM SUCCESS. Do you want to be a loser, or a winner? Vote for any logo which contains a moon and reject all that do not. Thank you. --a serious investor and friend of Mooncoin

The idea behind the M, was that it is a currency symbol, which MOON is. People in foreign cultures may not use the word "moon" for the moon, but identify it with a character such as in China and Japan (large investors in cryptocurrencies right now)

http://imgur.com/a/0yM9G

Alongside many other variation and words. So yes, the M can be vague in the beginning. What about all the other cryptocurrencies and company logos that are vague until you learn more? It also encourages people to become curious on what this particular symbol means, and actively promotes interest.

Now if we dismiss this and go for the moon option then I agree with some old comments.

First, regarding the initial logo, the moon is not really identified with a golden colour. That logo, while quite eye catching promotes gold, associated with avarice or greed. Bad. Also the words (to the moon) around the side are a bit out of date and not really what moon is just about anymore.

Next, is Niko's logo. Simplistic can work sometimes, but it really doesn't stand out as a strong logo. It's serene, peaceful. It implies this thought process to me personally, "Let's just sit here, wait for great things to happen for us, as this is the moon!"

Here is a good explanation of what the moon means and is associated with in another culture for instance:

http://www.cycleharmony.com/stories/everyday-goddesses/hina-the-hawaiian-moon-goddess

The moon also controls our tide, it is a powerful presence. It has many effects on out ecosystem, and without it there would be an array of extreme natural movements.

I see the moon as a symbol of strength, courage, and solidarity. Think a wolf pack howling at the moon.
There is DESIRE for the moon, to one day reach out and touch it. It provides a light in the dark for those to see and move.

Nico's logo expresses none of this to me. And although Larrimar's logo is not really a symbol of the moon, it stands out as strong, competitive and sophisticated.
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June 21, 2017, 12:27:22 AM
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So although he is fond of the old logo more, at least agswinner is open to discussion and not openly dismissive.

Im open to any discussion of any logo which CONTAINS A MOON. Anything without a moon is a total failure and unacceptable for a coin called MOONCOIN. The Moon is one of the most loved and popular symbols in the entire world. Including by people who dont speak Engrish and dont care whatsoever about a letter M with a slash through it. Its almost impossible to improve upon the Moon, its THAT well loved! This is not rocket science, its common sense to people with a brain who actually use it. Period.

If the original is somehow not good enough.... Let's make a great MOON logo that people will instantly say "Oh that obviously must be Mooncoin." FYI that IS the purpose of a logo, instant recognition of your product. So then just maybe we might get back to actually making the coin have real-world value to investors and users. I can promise you 1 thing.... no moon in the logo, NO LONGTERM SUCCESS. Do you want to be a loser, or a winner? Vote for any logo which contains a moon and reject all that do not. Thank you. --a serious investor and friend of Mooncoin
So much hate. You don't decide what to discuss, anyone may discuss anything.

If you read back, I placed a well-reasoned post in which I explain why you don't need to have an actual moon in the logo. You say we must have one so people know 'oh that's mooncoin'. But that's not how it works. When you see a yellow M, you say 'Hey that's Mcdonalds!' when you see a checkmark-like symbol, you think 'Hey that's Nike!'. When you see a random f in a blue box you're like 'Hey that's Facebook'.

Logo's do not have to contain actual representations of the company name/product. It's more important that a logo is simple yet has subtle touches making it easy to recognize. The current blue crescent does not have these subtle touches. It just looks like a random emoji, or like a children's drawing set:


Thus needing to have a Moon to succeed? Not correct.
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June 21, 2017, 12:46:19 AM
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If you read back, I placed a well-reasoned post...
I read that nonsense. What you call well -reasoned...... marketing experts call pure ignorance and recipe for failure. You have earned exactly ZERO MOONCOINS from Moon-edu for your understanding of Marketing 101. Try again. Reminder: Vote for ANY logo with a Moon...Reject ALL logos without a Moon. Thank you.
Please tell me what's wrong about it? How come it works for said companies and many other companies? I hear not a single argument why I am wrong and you are right.

I actually earned my cash through marketing the past 10 years. I only hear you screaming at people to reject something just because you do not like it. Using slick flashy sales techniques like saying: "Do you want to be a winner or a loser? Then DO THIS". Please give me some actual thought out arguments.
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June 21, 2017, 01:31:32 AM
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A constructive reply to my post would be great Vegasmoon.
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June 21, 2017, 01:34:40 AM
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Lets go back to kindergarten Jasperrrrrr. A Nike is not a real thing. Its a fiction. So they conjure up a swoosh. Before you saw it 1000 times, you never saw it, it meant nothing. A McDonalds is not an actual object, its a name, and a dying one at that. Meanwhile, A MOON IS A NATURAL OBJECT EVERY HUMAN KNOWS & LOVES ALREADY. You dont have to make a new one up, it already exists. Perfectly. Just put a nice dress on that sexy mama! There are a million reasons to include the moon in the logo and zero reasons not to. If you cant get that.... you're a lost cause. Me... I make my money in a business with MOON in the name. Yes sir I do! Everything took off tremendously when I made that change. So I speak about success based on acutely relevant FACTS. I know you have a need to be right, but give it up and save yourself the embarassment. Then we can all be friends and profit together as we intended. Vote for ANY logo with a Moon...Reject ALL logos without a Moon. Thank you.
At least have the common decency to talk normal to me. I do not belittle you so no need to belittle me either.

I specifically said that a logo does not have to represent a company name OR a product. Meaning, that for Nike they could have just used sneakers as their design. For Mcdonalds, they can use their iconic french fries packaging or a hamburger. Etc.

Good for you that you make money in a Moon named business. If changing your logo to an actual moon made all the difference, your previous marketing tactics must have been way off. Regarding MoonCoin, we do not need to have an actual Moon. I do not have the need to be right, it is not my design nor is it my contest.

What puts me off is the fact that a small group decides to ignore the voice and vote of the majority. And decides to revolt. Also, it is the fact that you and Nico shout a lot of stuff without supporting it with real facts. And the fact that you both do not have the decency to have respect for people that disagree with you. At least be nice enough to not treat each other like shit, ok?
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If you read back, I placed a well-reasoned post...
I read that nonsense. What you call well -reasoned...... marketing experts call pure ignorance and recipe for failure. You have earned exactly ZERO MOONCOINS from Moon-edu for your understanding of Marketing 101. Try again. Reminder: Vote for ANY logo with a Moon...Reject ALL logos without a Moon. Thank you.

*Nobody* has made any money off MoonEdu... because it's still just a concept that hasn't been implemented yet.

You are allll over the map, aren't you?
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June 21, 2017, 05:38:11 AM
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The approach was quite simple, this is a decentralized system that we all choose to support. It's important that if there are issues on certain matters, we utilize democracy. What I will not do is represent a dictatorship, it's different if a couple of people talked about the logo and didn't like it only stating opinions. But as Mooncoin ad campaigns continued and the community grew, it got to the point where something had to be done. So in the decentralized system the best way to settle the matter was competition where democracy could take place. I don't throw around the "title" of marketing director as if I'm above anyone, we are all equal including myself and I do my best to demonstrate that. I was totally fine with Nico's logo, however, Nico's logo was bested, because of the most recent events, we as a community should "ALL" continue using the discord channel as a voting platform. Perhaps we should change the logo based on a consensus the next go around. No one is totally wrong for what has transpired, we all must remember that we are still growing as a community, just as is the whole cryptoworld. Next time something of this nature comes to pass, I encourage everyone to utilize their democratic privileges. Not every coin community es decentralized, this is what makes Moon special, we must continue to strive for improvement and growth. #PeaceandProgress

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June 21, 2017, 05:56:09 AM
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I know its hard for you to consider more than one concept at a time or make obvious connections between things, its OK, Ive come to accept that. Please stop asking me to reply to your mentally retarded comments where you try to re-explain what never made sense in the first place. I'm a person with a life. Thank goodness Mooncoin is bigger than Littlestan and his sidekick jAssperrr, who are obviously 2 concepts that haven't been implemented yet. Or at least could be aborted for the good of the community.

Reminder: Vote for ANY logo with a Moon...Reject ALL logos without a Moon. Thank you. DO NOT EXPECT A RESPONSE FROM ME. I've stated my case clearly. NO MOON, NO SUCCESS. I have 100 other worthwhile things to invest my time and money in that don't require me to cast pearls unto swine. Aside from these few asshats, I met a LOT of great people thru Mooncoin for which Im grateful. Good luck to ALL. Over and out.

Why do you continue to evade my questions then? I don't understand why you reply to the others, but evade my actual discussion points...
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June 21, 2017, 06:22:51 AM
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To be honest I do not like the new logo nor the colors. The currently used logo is miles better. Do not change it!
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June 21, 2017, 07:06:01 AM
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Reminder: Vote for ANY logo with a Moon...Reject ALL logos without a Moon. Thank you. DO NOT EXPECT A RESPONSE FROM ME. I've stated my case clearly. NO MOON, NO SUCCESS. I have 100 other worthwhile things to invest my time and money in that don't require me to cast pearls unto swine. Aside from these few asshats, I met a LOT of great people thru Mooncoin for which Im grateful. Good luck to ALL. Over and out.
Sure, VegasMoon's comments seem extra spicy, abrasive, but he has a point. I agree with this point. To remove the symbols of the moon, or even a name change away from "moon" would be a poor move.  You'd be gutting its identity.

I don't have to make up too many hypothetical examples, there are plenty of real life ones out there.  Look at what happened to Radio Shack.  They reduced their sales of radio components and started selling cell phones.  Sure they made a quick buck, but at the expense of alienating their core consumers.  Dissolution soon followed.

Disney just took over the Star Wars franchise.  What if they decided that in the next movies they no longer included light sabers because it was too violent.  Deleted the Sith because it was too scary, or removed the Jedi because they were too religious sounding.

I have a simple solution for those that wish to move away from the idea of a "moon" in the logo... the source code is open, anyone can read it and copy it (as long as you credit the bitcoin, litecoin, and mooncoin developers).  Take it, change its name, its logo and start a new coin.  
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The approach was quite simple, this is a decentralized system that we all choose to support. It's important that if there are issues on certain matters, we utilize democracy. What I will not do is represent a dictatorship, it's different if a couple of people talked about the logo and didn't like it only stating opinions. But as Mooncoin ad campaigns continued and the community grew, it got to the point where something had to be done. So in the decentralized system the best way to settle the matter was competition where democracy could take place. I don't throw around the "title" of marketing director as if I'm above anyone, we are all equal including myself and I do my best to demonstrate that. I was totally fine with Nico's logo, however, Nico's logo was bested, because of the most recent events, we as a community should "ALL" continue using the discord channel as a voting platform. Perhaps we should change the logo based on a consensus the next go around. No one is totally wrong for what has transpired, we all must remember that we are still growing as a community, just as is the whole cryptoworld. Next time something of this nature comes to pass, I encourage everyone to utilize their democratic privileges. Not every coin community es decentralized, this is what makes Moon special, we must continue to strive for improvement and growth. #PeaceandProgress

Democracy is when every member of the community has a number of votes in a voting proportional to his investment in a Mooncoin. This is a common practice. We do not even know whether the MOON-investors were on that voting. How can such a voting be considered legitimate?
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June 21, 2017, 11:06:52 AM
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Democracy is when every member of the community has a number of votes in a voting proportional to his investment in a Mooncoin. This is a common practice. We do not even know whether the MOON-investors were on that voting. How can such a voting be considered legitimate?

Who said holding more MOON puts anyone above the rest? Democracy is about equality - no matter if you have 1000, a million or a billion coins.
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June 21, 2017, 11:22:32 AM
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Who said holding more MOON puts anyone above the rest? Democracy is about equality - no matter if you have 1000, a million or a billion coins.

That is, you say - we do not care about investors and their money! What we will solve here in a narrow circle, and we will not ask your opinion, and if we ask, we do not care how much you invested. The vote of the person who invested $ 0.01 in the MOON == vote of the person who invested $ 100000 in the MOON? Are you serious? The level of risk in making a decision is not comparable. You will scare away all potential big investors. Someone wants to invest big money in MOON after that?
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