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August 01, 2017, 12:19:32 PM
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If anyone has questions, he can always ask them here or PM,

a progress cannot be done just by trying to convert a decentralised coin to a centralised company.
It will not work.

Someone reading about any products features should understand what they are within a few seconds and not need to find a website that to ask someone about how feature x works.

The proposal is to create a board and not a centralised company. However, there is a clear need for organisation and direction, how do you think we can take mooncoin to the market without some formal structure? Read up on open source for profit companies- that is essentially what we are without formally declaring it.
 The software should always be decentralised, otherwise it defeats the purpose of the blockchain.
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August 01, 2017, 12:23:07 PM
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If you want to be key persons in MOON development,
no one will mind it, do something, raise funds, find transparent and good devs,
create projects, discuss, promote etc.

but don't try to bring centralisation and bureaucracy,
it will not work.

MOON has 37000 funded addresses,
only if more than a half of addresses (which exist at the moment) vote with messages, signed with these addresses, that they want
to convert MOON to a centralised company, there will be a real quorum,
not just let's vote somewhere during 24 hours and then decide things.


You are being dramatic when you keep talking about centralisation and bureaucracy.
Look at any of the most successful up and coming coins and you will see they all have teams of people giving direction to the coin.

If you want to be key persons in MOON development,
no one will mind it, do something, raise funds, find transparent and good devs,
create projects, discuss, promote etc.


The real question is, why haven't you or anyone else done this already?
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August 01, 2017, 12:40:30 PM
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Better to do nothing than to do things that will affect MOON.

Also something is done definitely, people were thanking for that,
some members donated a lot since 2014, you just have no idea,
because they don't speak about it.

Mooncoin project http://mooncoin.com 40000+ funded addresses 2,000,000+ transactions. Exchanges: Bleutrade-NovaExchange-Coinexchange. Low inflation with gradual reduce.
5 independent block explorers. Record onto blockchain (free and without 3rd parties) MoonWord programming language + the platform written from scratch.
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August 01, 2017, 01:32:58 PM
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Also the problem is not to decide things,
we all agree with good things that don't affect MOON,
and all are waiting for them,
to get these things successully completed is the problem.



This is why the board is necessary.


No, it just could add more bureaucracy,
but will not help raise money or find and implement great solutions.
Zero is zero with or without the Board of Directors,
and good things work even with no directors.
Lol, actually takes away all the bureaucracy we have right now. You know, the endless polls for every small matter.

Good things do not work without directors. That has been proven over and over in history. Feel free to proof me wrong.
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August 01, 2017, 01:36:58 PM
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Better to do nothing than to do things that will affect MOON.

Also something is done definitely, people were thanking for that,
some members donated a lot since 2014, you just have no idea,
because they don't speak about it.
To who did they donate? That money should go to Baz/Community fund.
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August 01, 2017, 02:12:27 PM
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Better to do nothing than to do things that will affect MOON.

Also something is done definitely, people were thanking for that,
some members donated a lot since 2014, you just have no idea,
because they don't speak about it.
To who did they donate? That money should go to Baz/Community fund.

Listing at exchanges, block explorers, nodes, devs... since 2014
also to barry (since 2016).

BTW he PMd now for more donations.
Did you raise something for him already, should I redirect him to Discord?

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August 01, 2017, 02:29:25 PM
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Good things do not work without directors. That has been proven over and over in history. Feel free to proof me wrong.

Bitcoin is not a company, has no directors and it's successful.

I'm not against progress and a team,
also endless polls are definitely a bad idea.

But why just not to suggest something good? Be sure no one will be against it.
Why do we need a board of directors just to implement something good?
A new algo, okay, no one is against it, people understand that currently it doesn't work as needed,
just come with your GOOD initiatives and everything is okay.

If you do something good which doesn't affect people and their investments, they will not mind.
You're welcome.

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August 01, 2017, 02:44:45 PM
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Bitcoin is not a company, has no directors and it's successful.

Nearly every coin has better tech than Bitcoin and if it launched today it would fail dramatically. It was the first of it's kind and goes by it's own rules because it has had a long time to establish itself and everyone knows what it is.

I'm not against progress and a team,
also endless polls are definitely a bad idea.


A board will stop the need for unnecessary polls.

But why just not to suggest something good? Be sure no one will be against it.

Completely your opinion what is good or bad and completely unrealistic to expect no opposition to any plan.

Why do we need a board of directors just to implement something good?

Because very little has happened in four years.

A new algo, okay, no one is against it, people understand that currently it doesn't work as needed,
just come with you GOOD initiatives and everything is okay.


A board is probably the best step Mooncoin has ever made.

If you do something which doesn't affect people, their money etc, they will not mind.

Not having a board adversely affects my money, I mind.


You're welcome.

Not contributing to the solution and being arrogant about it is probably the reason nothing has happened. I ask you to take a step back and get to work on building Mooncoin.  
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August 01, 2017, 02:53:16 PM
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Completely your opinion what is good or bad and completely unrealistic to expect no opposition to any plan.


Not my opinion,
it's how decentralised systems work.

If you are trying to implement something not good, not fair etc,
people (miners, exchanges, block explorers) simply don't support that.
You can start your own exchanges, pools, explorers, but it will cost a lot of money,
and will lead to a split anyway.
So why do you need all that,
if you can be fair and suggest and implement good things, people see that and understand, and agree with it.

Mooncoin project http://mooncoin.com 40000+ funded addresses 2,000,000+ transactions. Exchanges: Bleutrade-NovaExchange-Coinexchange. Low inflation with gradual reduce.
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August 01, 2017, 03:04:46 PM
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The software is decentralised. That is where the fairness comes into it.

To say if something is good or bad is an opinion.
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August 01, 2017, 03:15:01 PM
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I've asked barrysty1e to post an update in this ANN on his current work.
He told that he's not too much motivated with money.

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August 01, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
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The software is decentralised. That is where the fairness comes into it.

To say if something is good or bad is an opinion.

The approach is not bad.
But then it's logically not to touch a decentralised software, at least, encoded rules, e.g. not to increase inflation,

however, sometimes things are really good or bad,
e.g. if MOON is 0.1 Sat again in the future, will it be bad, or just an opinion?

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August 01, 2017, 03:47:45 PM
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The approach is not bad.
But then it's logically not to touch a decentralised software, at least, encoded rules, e.g. not to increase inflation,


This isn't about the software. It is about finally seeing some progress.

however, sometimes things are really good or bad,
e.g. if MOON is 0.1 Sat again in the future, will it be bad, or just an opinion?


It was good for the people who bought into that price last time, but for the people who bought into moon on cryptsy it was a disaster.

A board will take steps to ensure this never happens again, the other option is leaving it to chance.
 

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August 01, 2017, 04:08:12 PM
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Hi all,

I've managed to get back on top of things, after doing some freelance work for a while.
Everyone is quite keen for an update on things, so here we go:

Mooncoin 0.13 release is very stable.

Total resident memory usage under 75mb (whilst syncing chain).
Time from launching Mooncoin to being ready to use, in the case of a sync'd chain, has been halved (minimum).

Standard sync time from scratch to current blockheight is 34 minutes.
Due partially to 'headers first' functionality seen in late model codebases, but mainly optimized PoW validation during synchronization.

Extensive testing with the new Dual KGW3 difficulty retargetting algorithm. Probably the best i've worked with so far, especially the BitSend timeout feature (this will gradually drop the difficulty over time if a block has not been found in x minutes).

After a lot of testing; i'm not quite happy with the new custom PoW algorithm and it will be tweaked over the next few days, to ensure that: a GPU miner is not possible, botnets do not become an issue and also to guarantee protection against double-spend attacks. Recently HTML5 suffered a 'catastrophic' doublespend at Bleutrade, and I do not wish to ever see this occur with Mooncoin.

I've also decided that Moonlite will be a plug-in module, rather than in-wallet; meaning that the 0.13 release can be done earlier, and that development can be done on each independently, rather than one holding the other up.

I'd like to see the fork to the new algo/codebase before block 1,200,000; but this is up to the community to discuss.

james

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August 01, 2017, 04:14:26 PM
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Hi all,

I've managed to get back on top of things, after doing some freelance work for a while.
Everyone is quite keen for an update on things, so here we go:

Mooncoin 0.13 release is very stable.

Total resident memory usage under 75mb (whilst syncing chain).
Time from launching Mooncoin to being ready to use, in the case of a sync'd chain, has been halved (minimum).

Standard sync time from scratch to current blockheight is 34 minutes.
Due partially to 'headers first' functionality seen in late model codebases, but mainly optimized PoW validation during synchronization.

Extensive testing with the new Dual KGW3 difficulty retargetting algorithm. Probably the best i've worked with so far, especially the BitSend timeout feature (this will gradually drop the difficulty over time if a block has not been found in x minutes).

After a lot of testing; i'm not quite happy with the new custom PoW algorithm and it will be tweaked over the next few days, to ensure that: a GPU miner is not possible, botnets do not become an issue and also to guarantee protection against double-spend attacks. Recently HTML5 suffered a 'catastrophic' doublespend at Bleutrade, and I do not wish to ever see this occur with Mooncoin.

I've also decided that Moonlite will be a plug-in module, rather than in-wallet; meaning that the 0.13 release can be done earlier, and that development can be done on each independently, rather than one holding the other up.

I'd like to see the fork to the new algo/codebase before block 1,200,000; but this is up to the community to discuss.

james

Good afternoon from Greece. These are great news ! Smiley

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August 01, 2017, 04:23:07 PM
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we need to focus more on substance not form. we already have two websites, tried many logos, have chat forum, etc. but the bottom line is mooncoin lacks funds to hired smart serious full time devs and staffs. as such, moon is moving very slowly.
 
hopefully we ll get enough volunteers and creative ppl to help out. just dont give up bc where theres a will theres a way. lets never never never give up.

Yeah. We need more focus, on helping promote Mooncoin, as well as getting an experienced dev team that could deliver the goods. If it manages to gather around a group of talented developers and marketing experts, then MOON can rise up quickly in value and popularity.

Before you know it, Mooncoin would become a feature-rich cryptocurrency, that will gather the likes of anyone who would love to send money to others at an extremely fast and cheap way, or investors who would like to buy and hold it for the long term.

But as you said earlier, we should never give up and try harder each day to help Mooncoin become a success. I still have around a million MOON sitting on my wallet, and will buy more over time as you'll never know when it will skyrocket in value.

Nevertheless, a unified community will always make a cryptocurrency a success. Let's wait and see what will happen from now and beyond. Just my opinion. Smiley

 

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August 01, 2017, 06:07:15 PM
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Thanks for the update barry!
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August 01, 2017, 10:39:15 PM
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Better to do nothing than to do things that will affect MOON.

Also something is done definitely, people were thanking for that,
some members donated a lot since 2014, you just have no idea,
because they don't speak about it.
To who did they donate? That money should go to Baz/Community fund.

Listing at exchanges, block explorers, nodes, devs... since 2014
also to barry (since 2016).

BTW he PMd now for more donations.
Did you raise something for him already, should I redirect him to Discord?
Yea Stan is running a donation fund, I think he's in contact with Barry!


Good things do not work without directors. That has been proven over and over in history. Feel free to proof me wrong.

Bitcoin is not a company, has no directors and it's successful.

I'm not against progress and a team,
also endless polls are definitely a bad idea.

But why just not to suggest something good? Be sure no one will be against it.
Why do we need a board of directors just to implement something good?
A new algo, okay, no one is against it, people understand that currently it doesn't work as needed,
just come with your GOOD initiatives and everything is okay.

If you do something good which doesn't affect people and their investments, they will not mind.
You're welcome.
Yea of course, we should always propose cool stuff and get it out there. But, for core decisions like the logo issue; algo change (there were actually some people against it) and other dev issues. It could be useful to have a board so we don't need to do endless polls nor Baz needs to step in to make a final decision. Just like I think we should have 1 main website that lists information about the coin, team, dev logs, etc.

Of course we can have plenty of other websites, but one official source of information would be sweet.
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August 02, 2017, 12:21:52 AM
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Sent out the first Developer Assistance Fund (DAF) payment to James today!

Thank you to all who have donated and to all who will donate; it is appreciated. Cheesy

Developer Assistance Fund (DAF) which currently goes to barrysty1e (James):
MOON - 2PoELBUoMh78DwPdVrzVAuLfLZLXVz2mcA
BTC - 13nGCECUNzct5zY5BvehLTmPWh3gZVzavx
Fiat - https://www.youcaring.com/barrystylejames-884047

Mooncoin Community Fund (MCF) which, among other things, provides revenue for recurring adverts,
hiring talent (like translators, etc.), and helping projects and intitiatives that are directly Mooncoin related along:
MOON - 2LpMRkRjM6VQnttqB6X3L77tNZATx6Fzar
BTC - 1KdJmMKswC78yqwyzjyZtrgCCQbfbevXt3

Support the Future Scouts program (futurescouts.co) They use Mooncoin as their official cryptocurrency
to teach children about the future of finance!:
MOON - 2DKf5d3PD665dWkxtGdeqooRovrQ814nD4
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August 02, 2017, 07:32:02 AM
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Bitcoin is not a company, has no directors and it's successful.

Nearly every coin has better tech than Bitcoin and if it launched today it would fail dramatically. It was the first of it's kind and goes by it's own rules because it has had a long time to establish itself and everyone knows what it is.
Great, then you understand why decentralization was built-in.

I'm not against progress and a team,
also endless polls are definitely a bad idea.


A board will stop the need for unnecessary polls.
A board is fine as long as you can understand that decentralized properties can also happen in parallel.

But why just not to suggest something good? Be sure no one will be against it.

Completely your opinion what is good or bad and completely unrealistic to expect no opposition to any plan.
No.

Why do we need a board of directors just to implement something good?

Because very little has happened in four years.
If you think that then you haven't been following mooncoin at all, and so a suggestion from you to make some "board" loses its credibility.

A new algo, okay, no one is against it, people understand that currently it doesn't work as needed,
just come with you GOOD initiatives and everything is okay.


A board is probably the best step Mooncoin has ever made.
A board is ok, decentralized supporters are also ok, both can coexist as long as the board does not think that only they can exist.

If you do something which doesn't affect people, their money etc, they will not mind.

Not having a board adversely affects my money, I mind.
Then that is only a problem that you have within your own mind.  Who until now has had this problem?

You're welcome.

Not contributing to the solution and being arrogant about it is probably the reason nothing has happened. I ask you to take a step back and get to work on building Mooncoin.  
"nothing has happened" ... prove it.
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