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Taking equity out of ones home, another thing you can't do here (and people wouldn't understand). Of course we saw in 2009 that it led to plenty of people losing their home...

You can't easily do it in Texas too because locals were burned on this before anyone else in US (in 1987) when people were mass-mailing the keys to their houses to lenders, apparently.
Typically, no cash-out refinancing. I know some people in CA that did multiple cash outs and now have a gigantic mortgage.
Still, there is some equity, but the cushion is much smaller that it should have been otherwise.

if you have a 700,000  home with 100% equity. You do not take out a loan on it.

Unless rates drop to 2-3%

My example is 2,000,000 wealth

700,000 home
400,000 bond driven 401 k gets 5%
100,000 gold, silver

that is 1,200,000 wealth
and you have 800,000 more wealth do do as you please.

that adds to 2,000,000 wealth

the 401k earns 20k a year

you have 7,000 take home in pensions. since I said you have pensions you have to use some of the 401k eventually maybe now so 20,000 is the juice it gets. pull 4,000 and that is 2,000 a month but it is taxable so pull 30,000  this means the 402k will last close to a lifetime and you actuall income after taxes is 9,000 a month

This person has the ability to fuck around with 800,000 anyway they want to. Stock ,bonds, btc shit coins what ever.  But they are rare and they are dying every day as I type this out.

They can do an equity loan if rates drop to 2 or 3%. I said the chances are likely less than 1 in 25 Americans are in this spot.

 They can have a mixed blend of what ever the they invest.  They are rare.


Most Americans are paycheck to paycheck and will work way past retirement ages. 70 or later is common.

For these people savings in a bank are meh at best. They need to do 3 or more different  plays even if the plays are $25 a month for each month.

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Stupid bastards.

 https://cryptopotato.com/biden-administration-pushes-congress-to-pass-30-tax-on-bitcoin-mining/

 "Biden Administration Pushes Congress to Pass 30% Tax on Bitcoin Mining

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The White House views the Bitcoin mining industry as environmentally harmful and limited in economic benefit.

The White House is attempting to persuade Congress to pass a 30% climate change tax on cryptocurrency miners as part of its next federal budget.

The change, titled the Digital Asset Mining Energy (DAME) excise tax, is designed to encourage mining firms to start taking better account of their so-called ‘societal harms’, including higher energy prices and greenhouse gas emissions...

...The tax would be phased in over 3 years, starting at 10% in the first year before rising to 20% and eventually 30% in the following two years. Over 10 years, it would generate an estimated $3.5 billion in revenue...
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 They (the gov't) wont make a @#$ cent.  The margins are not good enough to support such a luxury tax so miners will go elsewhere.


 
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Stupid bastards.

 https://cryptopotato.com/biden-administration-pushes-congress-to-pass-30-tax-on-bitcoin-mining/

 "Biden Administration Pushes Congress to Pass 30% Tax on Bitcoin Mining

 Author: Andrew Throuvalas

The White House views the Bitcoin mining industry as environmentally harmful and limited in economic benefit.

The White House is attempting to persuade Congress to pass a 30% climate change tax on cryptocurrency miners as part of its next federal budget.

The change, titled the Digital Asset Mining Energy (DAME) excise tax, is designed to encourage mining firms to start taking better account of their so-called ‘societal harms’, including higher energy prices and greenhouse gas emissions...

...The tax would be phased in over 3 years, starting at 10% in the first year before rising to 20% and eventually 30% in the following two years. Over 10 years, it would generate an estimated $3.5 billion in revenue...
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 They (the gov't) wont make a @#$ cent.  The margins are not good enough to support such a luxury tax so miners will go elsewhere.


 

What about the miners that use mining to create solar arrays.

Will my solar created be taxed?
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Stupid bastards.

 https://cryptopotato.com/biden-administration-pushes-congress-to-pass-30-tax-on-bitcoin-mining/

 "Biden Administration Pushes Congress to Pass 30% Tax on Bitcoin Mining

 Author: Andrew Throuvalas

The White House views the Bitcoin mining industry as environmentally harmful and limited in economic benefit.

The White House is attempting to persuade Congress to pass a 30% climate change tax on cryptocurrency miners as part of its next federal budget.

The change, titled the Digital Asset Mining Energy (DAME) excise tax, is designed to encourage mining firms to start taking better account of their so-called ‘societal harms’, including higher energy prices and greenhouse gas emissions...

...The tax would be phased in over 3 years, starting at 10% in the first year before rising to 20% and eventually 30% in the following two years. Over 10 years, it would generate an estimated $3.5 billion in revenue...
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 They (the gov't) wont make a @#$ cent.  The margins are not good enough to support such a luxury tax so miners will go elsewhere.


 

What about the miners that use mining to create solar arrays.

Will my solar created be taxed?

 Their arguments are quite flimsy and could pertain to pretty much any human endeavour but I think they also have you in their sights:

"The environmental impacts of cryptomining exist even when miners use existing clean power. For example, in the case of communities with hydropower where cryptomining operations are often located, increased electricity consumption by cryptominers reduces the amount of clean power available for other uses, raising prices and increasing overall reliance on dirtier sources of electricity." 1

1from: https://www.whitehouse.gov/cea/written-materials/2023/05/02/cost-of-cryptomining-dame-tax/

 Apparently, by you putting up your own solar array and using it for your own purposes, you are still harming "low-income neighborhoods and communities of color" since it could have been used in a way that would offset the pollution caused by other forms of electrical generation, that would still be required to meet the demand of those poor bastards in New York who will be banned from using gas for their cook-stoves, such as natural gas turbines.  Oh the irony.

 Sorry for the bad news philipma1957  Sad

 
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might be some preparing for a gold backed currency

different to gold with Bitcoin they could actually prove their reserves to anyone at anytime...  Tongue


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My DCA buy, originally scheduled for monday, got delayed for tuesday, when it slipped into the little $28k dip. Nice.
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I got it, but I am reconsidering even to have more than a current month expense in the bank.
You get 0% there and in a money market almost 5%.
I am sure that after I would post this, some money market would get off parity and money would flow backwards into the "safe" banks.
In fact, I penciled this scenario for sometime in the next 6-8 mo as banks cannot tolerate losing deposits to Treasury direct and money markets for too long.

In my country banks don't pay anything on deposits. I'm not sure why but it's like that. They will direct you to put money in various instruments, some are very common, government backed, but you can't put more than less than 1BTC at current prices. After that we're talking life insurance, bonds stocks etc.

But in the US banks pay something, and I was seeing that JPMorgan made tons of money lately, because they hiked the rates of mortgages like crazy, but increased the rates they pay on deposits to something ridiculous like 0.3%. If I was a customer I would be angry...


Banks have multi year/decade bonds purchased during the zero interest era. When interest rates go up, the price of existing bonds goes down. The banks holding these bonds can't offer you a higher interest rate than the bonds on their balance sheets.

Obviously people and businesses start taking their fiat out of the bank and put it into the current >5% yielding bonds themselves. This forces the banks to sell their bonds at a loss. People with money still in the bank then start to get worried and take their fiat out as well: a bank run leading to bankruptcy, which these days can happen within minutes/hours/days.


TL;DR Buy bitcoin and be your own, full reserve, bank.
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