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[Gachapin]

I do not feel or spead fear about global warming, i'm no street gluer, evangelist or greta-follower in any way.

The numbers are just suggesting we're going over the tpping point faster than expected, which matters quite much.
That's the message. Please ask before assuming anything. I'm communicating in a very un-implicit manner, your projections don't work in this case.

Happy to know that you don't fear warming.  Sorry that I implied you having that emotion.  It was out of the experience that most people posting stuff about it have a kind of fear too..  

However reading your posts led me to believe that you are at least quite worried... would that be wrong as well?  

I'm impressed, and not in a positive way, about the growing list of "unconvenient" data. You can say i'm worried about the burdens that will be put upon us by politics. Stupid leaders influenced by "the economy" and greed. No, i'm not positive about that.

I would love you (as a fellow human being) not to live in constant fear or worry about anything.  Life is short, and only a very few assholes deserve to live in constant fear or worry.  I feel that you aren't one of those assholes..

I hope so too  
Fear is coming from the inside, and i got my experiences with it about 25 years ago. However, fear has its uses, so it's not bad per se, but that's another story.

Regarding tipping points... good luck getting those right with computer models of non linear chaotic systems to which we don't even know the correct inputs

Afaik tipping points are nothing new in climate science.  Almost every ice age, for example, has them with abrupt warming events...

Irreversible.. maybe in our life time... but "serious" forecasts of said systems of 1k, 10k, 100k years into the future give me a warm inner chuckle of seeing a toddler pretending to be reading a book.

Yeah, tipping points are highly theoretical subjets, but the warming is somewhat latent and also shows a good degree of "snowball effect", so if we completely stop CO2 production, the warming would still go on for a long time. The models can't respect every parameter, if already known, and Methane shows to adds a surprising lot to drive the warming even further. You know how the onset of an exponential up-curve looks like. We're still early but we can't do much about it to slow it down.
Regarding that lifetime aspect: You're right. Do you have kids btw?

I have generally kept my family life out of Bitcointalk and I will continue to do so.

So when my hypothetical child gets old enough and decides to believe some narrative, and worries about it, he/she would be free to do so.

As for me I have no worry about climate change.  And that has nothing to do with my age or if I have children or not.

I know that most people in western societies startet to care about it, because they think that they have been presented sufficient evidence.  
And that's all fine and dandy as long as they don't push their worries and fears onto others.
But that's exactly what I see happening... mostly in a lecturing passive aggressive kind of way.

Seems they miss that we all are basically just a bunch of monkey-like retards.  And that we better not get too serious about what we think we know.


Btw. you are totally right, feelings of fear and worry can be very useful too.  
However they are merely a signal to tell you something.  So when you* got the message, hang up the phone.  
(that's actually what Jimbo once said about LSD, but imo it also fits on how to deal with emotions as signals   )


*not you personally

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[Arriemoller]

The question of global warming is answered: It is happening and by 2100 lots of shit will be flooded like a mofo.
...

My advice

If you are under 40 look for a place 500 feet above sea level you should be fine at that level.

Lots of the world is 200 feet or more above sea level.Which would likely be fine.

You're too pessimistic.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/148494/anticipating-future-sea-levels

That growing knowledge base is why scientific organizations like the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are publishing sea level rise projections with increasing levels of confidence.
In its 2019 report, the IPCC projected (chart above) 0.6 to 1.1 meters (1 to 3 feet) of global sea level rise by 2100 (or about 15 millimeters per year) if greenhouse gas emissions remain at high rates (RCP8.5).

I don't see rich people abandoning the Hamptons and Martha's Vineyard...

2019 data is old.

newer data is more like 10 feet by 2100.

For me it is fairly abstract as I have no descendants to worry or care about and I will be 99 in 2100.

If I were 30 with a few kids I would not live 10 miles from the Jersey shore at 66 feet above sea level.

I would move to upstate New York near lake George.

"Located in the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains at an elevation of 320 feet (98 metres) above sea level and surrounded by low mountains—including Mounts Fivemile, at 2,258 feet (688 metres), and Black, at 2,665 feet (812 metres)—the lake is of glacial origin, has a maximum depth of about 200 feet (60 metres), and ..."

source goggle


or

Candlewood Lake

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Candlewood_Lake
Candlewood Lake is a manmade lake located in Fairfield and Litchfield counties of Western Connecticut, in the northeastern United States.

Surface elevation: 429 ft (131 m)

Water volume: 167,112 acre-feet (206,130,000 ...
Surface area: 5,420 acres (21.9 km2)
Max. depth: 90 ft (27 m)


As for Hamptons it will be fucked by 2100

not so sure about Martha's vineyard as I do not know how it is sturctured. ie a sand bar like Hamptons is costly to dike vs a circle shaped island.

the Hamptons would need 3 sea walls to save.

much like the jersey shore. which is a series of sand bars.

they need 2 dikes 100 miles long and 30-50 feet high.

to save a 2 mile wide island .

and a third dike on the actual continent part of NJ.

If you study NJ you realize they have planned to use the NJ parkway for the dike so anything on the east side of it is fucked.

I have designed a few hundred speculative how to save the USA from flooding maps
If you look below and see my NJ plan and trace out the elevation maps or the heights of the GSP you will see this shit is planned for on many places in the world.

I live in NJ and plan to stay here at the moment I am on the good side of the GSP and will stay there.

I have heard that shit since the early 80s, and absolutely nothing have come true. The university of Lund measures the sea level every year, and it still rises within the same 1-3mm that it has done since forever.

[Arriemoller]

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A full boycott until June
Thread is getting weird

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Thread full of shitbirds
A full boycott until June
Thread is getting weird

Talking of spam, there's a Philippines restaurant chain called SpamJam that has spam in every food item on its menu. Spam, spam, egg, rice, and spam sounds tasty, but the double spam burger sounds even tastier.

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Thread full of shitbirds
A full boycott until June
Thread is getting weird

"No fate, but what we make for ourselves"

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[philipma1957]

The question of global warming is answered: It is happening and by 2100 lots of shit will be flooded like a mofo.
...

My advice

If you are under 40 look for a place 500 feet above sea level you should be fine at that level.

Lots of the world is 200 feet or more above sea level.Which would likely be fine.

You're too pessimistic.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/148494/anticipating-future-sea-levels

That growing knowledge base is why scientific organizations like the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are publishing sea level rise projections with increasing levels of confidence.
In its 2019 report, the IPCC projected (chart above) 0.6 to 1.1 meters (1 to 3 feet) of global sea level rise by 2100 (or about 15 millimeters per year) if greenhouse gas emissions remain at high rates (RCP8.5).

I don't see rich people abandoning the Hamptons and Martha's Vineyard...

2019 data is old.

newer data is more like 10 feet by 2100.

For me it is fairly abstract as I have no descendants to worry or care about and I will be 99 in 2100.

If I were 30 with a few kids I would not live 10 miles from the Jersey shore at 66 feet above sea level.

I would move to upstate New York near lake George.

"Located in the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains at an elevation of 320 feet (98 metres) above sea level and surrounded by low mountains—including Mounts Fivemile, at 2,258 feet (688 metres), and Black, at 2,665 feet (812 metres)—the lake is of glacial origin, has a maximum depth of about 200 feet (60 metres), and ..."

source goggle


or

Candlewood Lake

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Candlewood_Lake
Candlewood Lake is a manmade lake located in Fairfield and Litchfield counties of Western Connecticut, in the northeastern United States.

Surface elevation: 429 ft (131 m)

Water volume: 167,112 acre-feet (206,130,000 ...
Surface area: 5,420 acres (21.9 km2)
Max. depth: 90 ft (27 m)


As for Hamptons it will be fucked by 2100

not so sure about Martha's vineyard as I do not know how it is sturctured. ie a sand bar like Hamptons is costly to dike vs a circle shaped island.

the Hamptons would need 3 sea walls to save.

much like the jersey shore. which is a series of sand bars.

they need 2 dikes 100 miles long and 30-50 feet high.

to save a 2 mile wide island .

and a third dike on the actual continent part of NJ.

If you study NJ you realize they have planned to use the NJ parkway for the dike so anything on the east side of it is fucked.

I have designed a few hundred speculative how to save the USA from flooding maps
If you look below and see my NJ plan and trace out the elevation maps or the heights of the GSP you will see this shit is planned for on many places in the world.

I live in NJ and plan to stay here at the moment I am on the good side of the GSP and will stay there.

I have heard that shit since the early 80s, and absolutely nothing have come true. The university of Lund measures the sea level every year, and it still rises within the same 1-3mm that it has done since forever.

I have said time and time again I have zero worries. I am at 66 years old and 2100 is not in the cards for me.

My location it about 65 feet above sea level and I am at least 15 miles from the sea.

and the GSP would be an easy peasy dike/barrier if it melts faster.

To me it has happened before and will happen again.

And

here is info from your University

https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/watch-sea-level-rise-urgently-requires-new-forms-decision-making-study


https://portal.research.lu.se/en/publications/evidence-for-a-rapid-sea-level-rise-at-7600-years-ago

maybe Atlantis really happened?

7.2 meters  is 23.5 feet

and I live at 65-69 feet above sea level with a large barrier GSP between me and the sea.

but rapid and 23.5 feet crushes Florida .

https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-5w818/Florida/


But as I said I am cool with the temps rising and the ice melting.

and even if it does it by 2050 I doubt I will have flooding were I am moving to.

Freehold NJ 20 miles from the sea with 2 carrier roads GSP and Route 9.

Plus new home is bigger more land and 115 feet above sea level.

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Spam, spam, egg and spam





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But I don't like spam!
Eating out in Manila
Spam, spam, egg and spam





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Well, there's spam, egg, rice, and spam, that's not got much spam in it.

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Ouch. Buddy be good
Don't let this hot red candle
Violate our holes





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here is info from your University

https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/watch-sea-level-rise-urgently-requires-new-forms-decision-making-study


https://portal.research.lu.se/en/publications/evidence-for-a-rapid-sea-level-rise-at-7600-years-ago

maybe Atlantis really happened?

7.2 meters  is 23.5 feet

and I live at 65-69 feet above sea level with a large barrier GSP between me and the sea.

but rapid and 23.5 feet crushes Florida .

https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-5w818/Florida/


But as I said I am cool with the temps rising and the ice melting.

and even if it does it by 2050 I doubt I will have flooding were I am moving to.

Freehold NJ 20 miles from the sea with 2 carrier roads GSP and Route 9.

Plus new home is bigger more land and 115 feet above sea level.

here are even crazier and real numbers:

in the last 18 thou years sea level rose 120 meters (!)....and on the long term chart the sea level keeps oscillating, see small pic on the same page:
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth107/node/1506

The sea level was so low 18 thou years ago that first tribes got to the NA through what is now called Bering Strait.
Of course, meters of rise do not happen during one person's lifespan.

[Arriemoller]

The question of global warming is answered: It is happening and by 2100 lots of shit will be flooded like a mofo.
...

My advice

If you are under 40 look for a place 500 feet above sea level you should be fine at that level.

Lots of the world is 200 feet or more above sea level.Which would likely be fine.

You're too pessimistic.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/148494/anticipating-future-sea-levels

That growing knowledge base is why scientific organizations like the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are publishing sea level rise projections with increasing levels of confidence.
In its 2019 report, the IPCC projected (chart above) 0.6 to 1.1 meters (1 to 3 feet) of global sea level rise by 2100 (or about 15 millimeters per year) if greenhouse gas emissions remain at high rates (RCP8.5).

I don't see rich people abandoning the Hamptons and Martha's Vineyard...

2019 data is old.

newer data is more like 10 feet by 2100.

For me it is fairly abstract as I have no descendants to worry or care about and I will be 99 in 2100.

If I were 30 with a few kids I would not live 10 miles from the Jersey shore at 66 feet above sea level.

I would move to upstate New York near lake George.

"Located in the foothills of the Adirondack Mountains at an elevation of 320 feet (98 metres) above sea level and surrounded by low mountains—including Mounts Fivemile, at 2,258 feet (688 metres), and Black, at 2,665 feet (812 metres)—the lake is of glacial origin, has a maximum depth of about 200 feet (60 metres), and ..."

source goggle


or

Candlewood Lake

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Candlewood_Lake
Candlewood Lake is a manmade lake located in Fairfield and Litchfield counties of Western Connecticut, in the northeastern United States.

Surface elevation: 429 ft (131 m)

Water volume: 167,112 acre-feet (206,130,000 ...
Surface area: 5,420 acres (21.9 km2)
Max. depth: 90 ft (27 m)


As for Hamptons it will be fucked by 2100

not so sure about Martha's vineyard as I do not know how it is sturctured. ie a sand bar like Hamptons is costly to dike vs a circle shaped island.

the Hamptons would need 3 sea walls to save.

much like the jersey shore. which is a series of sand bars.

they need 2 dikes 100 miles long and 30-50 feet high.

to save a 2 mile wide island .

and a third dike on the actual continent part of NJ.

If you study NJ you realize they have planned to use the NJ parkway for the dike so anything on the east side of it is fucked.

I have designed a few hundred speculative how to save the USA from flooding maps
If you look below and see my NJ plan and trace out the elevation maps or the heights of the GSP you will see this shit is planned for on many places in the world.

I live in NJ and plan to stay here at the moment I am on the good side of the GSP and will stay there.

I have heard that shit since the early 80s, and absolutely nothing have come true. The university of Lund measures the sea level every year, and it still rises within the same 1-3mm that it has done since forever.

I have said time and time again I have zero worries. I am at 66 years old and 2100 is not in the cards for me.

My location it about 65 feet above sea level and I am at least 15 miles from the sea.

and the GSP would be an easy peasy dike/barrier if it melts faster.

To me it has happened before and will happen again.

And

here is info from your University

https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/watch-sea-level-rise-urgently-requires-new-forms-decision-making-study


https://portal.research.lu.se/en/publications/evidence-for-a-rapid-sea-level-rise-at-7600-years-ago

maybe Atlantis really happened?

7.2 meters  is 23.5 feet

and I live at 65-69 feet above sea level with a large barrier GSP between me and the sea.

but rapid and 23.5 feet crushes Florida .

https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-5w818/Florida/


But as I said I am cool with the temps rising and the ice melting.

and even if it does it by 2050 I doubt I will have flooding were I am moving to.

Freehold NJ 20 miles from the sea with 2 carrier roads GSP and Route 9.

Plus new home is bigger more land and 115 feet above sea level.

I do agree that the sea level may have risen a bit faster 7600 years ago, but it's really not relevant to the discussion.

I'm to busy to find the charts now, Ill have to come back to you.

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[xhomerx10]

FYI,
  GSP = Garden State Parkway. 

[jojo69]

FYI,
  GSP = Garden State Parkway.