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March 15, 2018, 10:16:16 PM

I scalped my way to a comfortably high entry short again.
Come 6k, make me some money. Come 16k, the insurance fee is already written off as a loss.
I will keep nursing it higher (and possibly still a bit smaller).
My play money grew approximately 20% in the process.

For me at least, it's a tough job. I couldn't do this everyday if my life depended on it.
I'm glad I listened to the furry elephants.


Margin trading? How much leverage?
Variable, approx range 0.5-5.
I prefer < 1 myself. For dummies.

It's reasonable. Just remember to have ample collateral to cushion any extraordinary spikes that might happen. One split second under your liquidation margin and... it's gone. I learned that lesson a couple years ago when Bitfinex fucked the market. It was my fault though as an inexperienced margin trader. It took me one full year to recover that loss and, when I did, I stopped using leveraging for ever.
Good of you to warn me, thanks.
I haven't received a real costly lesson yet, but I've heard a lot. So I'm treading very carefully.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q

For every turd of FUD out there, there's some unicorn sherbet just waiting to be dispensed...

TURD: US Congressional Hearings: "Bitcoin is a Crock for Men in Pajamas!"
SHERBERT:
 - Congress is actually talking about us? Who cares about the actual verbal diarrhea coming out their congressional gobholes... By merely talking about us, they further legitimize crypto.
 - As an aside, does Sherman really believe that men in pajamas don't also fruckin trade stocks, options, real estate, derivatives and precious metals while telling their wives they'll be millionaires one day? What an idiot.

TURD: Mt Gox Trustee market sells BTC and BCH
SHERBERT:
 - Goxees are actually receiving settlements?! Wowee. How much of that will come right back into crypto? Kobayashi may be an idiot, and a short-lived one at that, but the fact that Bitcoin has appreciated so frucking much that the trustee only needed to liquidate 15% of the recovered stash to pay back ALL the creditors' claims is a miracle in and of itself. That's not exactly how the story ended with Bernie Madoff's clients. This fact is being WAY under-reported. I can't believe the market is focused so much more on slippage instead of Bitcoin's incredible asset appreciation since then. The real idiots in this story are the judge and creditors who insisted on being paid back in fiat-equivalent at the time of Gox's collapse instead of Bitcoin, just because the price of BTC continued to collapse post-Mt Gox. Oh ye of little faith, careful what you ask for and now eat your frucking cake!
 - BTC dominance 42% and rising!
 - BCH $600 hahaha

TURD: Google and Facebook ban crypto ads
SHERBET:
 - Fruck the ICOs, Shitecoins, Exchanges, and Scammers!!!!
 - Bitcoin dominance 42% and rising!

TURD: Bitcoin searches trending down
SHERBERT:
 - Dude, who really needs to search for Bitcoin now that it's being reported daily on CNBC, NPR, WSJ, Twitter, newsfeeds, etc etc? Everyone who's anyone with any interest or the means to delve into Bitcoin at this point in the adoption curve has already done so. They don't need to search for it anymore. They're already in it. To me, the fact that search trends spike and then fall off means that action has already been taken. When was the last time you googled "how to buy Bitcoin"?

TURD: Regulation Fears Driving Bitcoin Down
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 - By choosing to regulate Bitcoin, governments further recognize its legitimacy and are forced to shine light on the benefits to society. Nobody sane wants Bitcoin, fiat, gold or anything else to fund terrorism or money-laundering, and the more Bitcoin is associated with the shadowy underworld, the more negative attention and regulation it will bring upon us. Bitcoin may have started on the backs of drug-dealers, but the crypto lot must also prove it can clean up well and be presentable at their parents' holiday dinner.

TURD: Bitcoin is no longer profitable for miners
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Forget about the "modest" $2.5M initial amount... it's the names of the investors what really counts here:

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/974389637924798464

Synergies and all that.
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I scalped my way to a comfortably high entry short again.
Come 6k, make me some money. Come 16k, the insurance fee is already written off as a loss.
I will keep nursing it higher (and possibly still a bit smaller).
My play money grew approximately 20% in the process.

For me at least, it's a tough job. I couldn't do this everyday if my life depended on it.
I'm glad I listened to the furry elephants.


Margin trading? How much leverage?

Either d_eddie is referring to margin, or alternatively, he is saying that he sold a certain decent-sized chuck of his BTC upon this recent price rise (which overall is selling on the way down.. but that is o.k. if it makes you more comfortable) in order to increase his available cash by 20% in order to prepare and insure himself for the possibility of additional down (although I find the characterization of insuring for up to be a bit confusing).
I am actually applying the 2J-ladder to a short, that is, I'm selling before I buy.

The 2J in the name is meant to credit the two distinguished gentlemen who recently discussed its details.  Wink


Your characterization is fair enough, because you seem to acknowledge that laddering is not a unique practice, but it is one that jbreher and I have gone on extended tangents to discuss our attempts at systemic ways to employ it.


The short isn't insured for up: it is actually an insurance for the rest of my btc in the case of downie-down. The "insurance fee" I mentioned is the price of blowing my short at the top (while selling off some actual coin on the way up, of course).

O.k.  I think that I understand what you are saying, and there are probably various ways to frame the situation, but in essence if you are holding a decent amount of BTC... let's say 10 BTC, then if the price goes up 2x from $8k to $16k, then you could have sold 50% of your BTC and still be in the same place in terms of financial value.  I don't like to have to rely on that BIG of a price jump in order for things to work out (but yeah we should also prepare for extremes because they do happen in bitcoin, too), so let's say for example that you hold 10 BTC and you hold $8,000.  That would be about 9.1% of your BTC investment in fiat ((10btc x $8k = $80,000)+ $8,000 = $88,000), but you are feeling a bit nervous about downside scenarios, so you decide to double the amount of your available fiat by selling 1BTC, so you then have 9BTC and $16,000, which would be about 18.2% fiat ((9btc x $8k = $72,000)+ $16,000 = $88,000).  In that case, you would have doubled the amount of fiat that you have available to play with, and if the BTC price ends up doubling by going up to $16k - you would thereby have ((9btc x $16k = $144,000)+ $16,000 = $160,000) rather than ((10btc x $16k = $160,000)+ $16,000 = $176,000).  

Taking out insurance for the downside does have a price, but in the end, you may be able to play the situation in such a way that the outcomes end up being close to the same either way, while feeling more comfortable that you are prepared for either direction and you have enough downside price insurance (as you put it).



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Edit:  Fuck... this just ain't my day... d_eddie beat me too it and pretty much blew my whole speculation thesis out of the water by admitting that he is employing margin trading.

Sorry for both things.

- Didn't mean to beat you to it, but you know, I can be quicker because I type less (on the average)  Tongue


Sometimes quicker doesn't work out as well as anticpated.   Tongue




- I am a newbie trader, and I usually don't trade - but this time it's different, the line of mammoths spoke to me in their chilling calling sounds. They smelled a black swan. I got scared.

I admit that it can be a bit of a pain in the ass to attempt to find your comfort zone, and even to experience levels of temptation emotion to deviate.  Furthermore, the market can play out in ways that are a bit beyond expectations and new preparations need to take place to ensure that you remain prepared for either price direction.  

In the last month, I made a couple decently-sized tweaks, and I designed each of my tweaks in order to feel more comfortable for either direction rather than attempting to increase my profits.  And, in November/December, I had to make a couple of decently-sized tweaks, too, because the price was performing more bullishly than anticipated.


Why do you call this scalping, are you taking a bunch of different positions at the same time on margin?
It's just one position, kept short at a semi-consistent size, with slowly growing value (entry point).

I am progressively making the position smaller by buying a tiny bit at a lower price, or making it larger by selling (shorting) a little bit at a higher price. Riding the waves trying to put a handful of froth in my pocket, so to say.

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To me the term scalping means buying selling for really small gains like 1-5%....i could be wrong though

My understanding of the term is the same as yours. I think it fits what I'm doing.

 

That's what I am talking about!!!!!!!

At some point in the near future, we are going to have to refer to the d_eddie ladder-scalping method... a form of tailoring, tweaking and adjusting particular to bitcoinlandia...   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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I don't even have any idea what the normal forum sections are these days.

I'm 2 or 3 years + just in a few meaningful threads.

Normal forum sections, gosh, you bring back memories....

It is well established that it is not safe to go out there.
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TURD: Bitcoin is no longer profitable for miners
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I think I like technical bits like this the best. Mining will always be profitable, by design. It's not even complicated how it works, and they just don't get it.
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Updated for today: Gold is fucking heavy ass metal with an indeterminate supply. Bitcoin is money. Everything else is slavery.
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TURD: Bitcoin is no longer profitable for miners
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I think I like technical bits like this the best. Mining will always be profitable, by design. It's not even complicated how it works, and they just don't get it.

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So, I'm no TA expert or anything but...the fact that the new low was higher than the last low would indicate to me that the floor is rising over time.

I could post fancy charts to explain it but I think this will give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

___/

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So, I'm no TA expert or anything but...the fact that the new low was higher than the last low would indicate to me that the floor is rising over time.

I could post fancy charts to explain it but I think this will give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

___/



I'm not sure this is the end.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q

For every turd of FUD out there, there's some unicorn sherbet just waiting to be dispensed...

TURD: US Congressional Hearings: "Bitcoin is a Crock for Men in Pajamas!"
SHERBERT:
 - Congress is actually talking about us? Who cares about the actual verbal diarrhea coming out their congressional gobholes... By merely talking about us, they further legitimize crypto.
 - As an aside, does Sherman really believe that men in pajamas don't also fruckin trade stocks, options, real estate, derivatives and precious metals while telling their wives they'll be millionaires one day? What an idiot.

TURD: Mt Gox Trustee market sells BTC and BCH
SHERBERT:
 - Goxees are actually receiving settlements?! Wowee. How much of that will come right back into crypto? Kobayashi may be an idiot, and a short-lived one at that, but the fact that Bitcoin has appreciated so frucking much that the trustee only needed to liquidate 15% of the recovered stash to pay back ALL the creditors' claims is a miracle in and of itself. That's not exactly how the story ended with Bernie Madoff's clients. This fact is being WAY under-reported. I can't believe the market is focused so much more on slippage instead of Bitcoin's incredible asset appreciation since then. The real idiots in this story are the judge and creditors who insisted on being paid back in fiat-equivalent at the time of Gox's collapse instead of Bitcoin, just because the price of BTC continued to collapse post-Mt Gox. Oh ye of little faith, careful what you ask for and now eat your frucking cake!
 - BTC dominance 42% and rising!
 - BCH $600 hahaha

TURD: Google and Facebook ban crypto ads
SHERBET:
 - Fruck the ICOs, Shitecoins, Exchanges, and Scammers!!!!
 - Bitcoin dominance 42% and rising!

TURD: Bitcoin searches trending down
SHERBERT:
 - Dude, who really needs to search for Bitcoin now that it's being reported daily on CNBC, NPR, WSJ, Twitter, newsfeeds, etc etc? Everyone who's anyone with any interest or the means to delve into Bitcoin at this point in the adoption curve has already done so. They don't need to search for it anymore. They're already in it. To me, the fact that search trends spike and then fall off means that action has already been taken. When was the last time you googled "how to buy Bitcoin"?

TURD: Regulation Fears Driving Bitcoin Down
SHERBERT:
 - By choosing to regulate Bitcoin, governments further recognize its legitimacy and are forced to shine light on the benefits to society. Nobody sane wants Bitcoin, fiat, gold or anything else to fund terrorism or money-laundering, and the more Bitcoin is associated with the shadowy underworld, the more negative attention and regulation it will bring upon us. Bitcoin may have started on the backs of drug-dealers, but the crypto lot must also prove it can clean up well and be presentable at their parents' holiday dinner.

TURD: Bitcoin is no longer profitable for miners
SHERBERT:
 - HAHAHAHA.

I'm sure we all have a little sherbert to dispense...

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So, I'm no TA expert or anything but...the fact that the new low was higher than the last low would indicate to me that the floor is rising over time.

I could post fancy charts to explain it but I think this will give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

___/



I'm not sure this is the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIrvSJwwJUE
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For every turd of FUD out there, there's some unicorn sherbet just waiting to be dispensed...

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WoSmerit is all I can dispense at the moment.

+1 WoSmerit

Man, your posts are tasty!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q

For every turd of FUD out there, there's some unicorn sherbet just waiting to be dispensed...

(snip)

WoSmerit is all I can dispense at the moment.

+1 WoSmerit

Man, your posts are tasty!



Can't B'awb help you with that?  not sure how that works.
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I think I like technical bits like this the best. Mining will always be profitable, by design. It's not even complicated how it works, and they just don't get it.

How's the weather?
It's like danish summer here in Wellington. By which I mean not-cold enough to go for a walk outdoors without regretting it, and cloudy most of the time.

I'm far more interested in the people. Spent the first few days just sleeping in my room, about to start exploring the city today.
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Can't B'awb help you with that?  not sure how that works.

OK. I Merited the OP with 2 points. One from me and one for d_eddie, and just shot d_eddie 4 Merits for... reasons.

We all cool now ?

Am I a fair and benevolent Merit Source ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q

For every turd of FUD out there, there's some unicorn sherbet just waiting to be dispensed...

(snip)

WoSmerit is all I can dispense at the moment.

+1 WoSmerit

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Can't B'awb help you with that?  not sure how that works.
More help than I expected, but help he did!
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Can't B'awb help you with that?  not sure how that works.

OK. I Merited the OP with 2 points. One from me and one for d_eddie, and just shot d_eddie 4 Merits for... reasons.

We all cool now ?

Am I a fair and benevolent Merit Source ?

Thanks! the OP really gives us some fine reading IMO.

Dispensing merits in a benevolent way is of course extra cool...

... but my favorite bits from you are when you cook up unheard ways to say things that get said too plainly, way too many times.
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