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Question: When will bitcoin reach the top of this bull market (i.e. when will it moon)?
Topped at $13,880 in June - 8 (5.9%)
H2 2019 - 15 (11.1%)
H1 2020 - 25 (18.5%)
H2 2020 - 24 (17.8%)
H1 2021 - 11 (8.1%)
H2 2021 - 27 (20%)
H1 2022 - 6 (4.4%)
H2 2022 - 4 (3%)
H1 2023 - 0 (0%)
H2 2023 - 2 (1.5%)
2024 or Later - 13 (9.6%)
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The question is why would it ever drop to 0. Why would anyone ever let that happen? If they wont, which it is reasonable to assume that they wont, then wont this thing grow forever? What does this mean? Has someone figured out how to create a dooms day device built on game theory and censorship resistant computing? Even if it is not a dooms day device is this hinting at the idea that maybe game theory based dooms day devices could be created on block chains? This seems like a bigger thing than the game it's self.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-22/eu-parliament-study-central-bank-digital-currencies-will-reshape-competition-crypto

Private digital currencies are defined separately from central bank-issued digital currencies (CBDC), noting that the CBDCs differ by being based on a “conventional bilateral settlement with a trusted central party.”

A perhaps strange part of this article is that there is a presumption that bringing centralization to the table, will bring credibility to the crypto space - and the fact of the matter is that the main feature (rather than a bug) remains that bitcoin brings a lack of centralization, and therefore a lack of centralization is bitcoin's strength, rather than weakness.  Anyhow, some folks are likely to fall for this poor and diverted framing of the "problem" with crypto and to buy into centralized coins rather than into bitcoin, which will allow bitcoin's price to remain an actual good value, but only to those folks who really recognize the significant paradigm changing differentiating point of bitcoin.

Actually as we post here trump is attacking the federal reserve for starting to raise interest rates and inflation, who know how many times, over the last 100 years and always after giving everyone cheap credit to create bubbles.


When people see it
BOOOOOOOM!!! Exposed  Cool Cool Cool Cool
and their central controlled crypto

This is what gives bitcoin its strength, value and eventual world dominance

Web 3.0 will create the regulation by the people for the people

decentralized platforms overtaking the world

already fully underway

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July 23, 2018, 10:57:05 PM


The question is why would it ever drop to 0. Why would anyone ever let that happen? If they wont, which it is reasonable to assume that they wont, then wont this thing grow forever? What does this mean? Has someone figured out how to create a dooms day device built on game theory and censorship resistant computing? Even if it is not a dooms day device is this hinting at the idea that maybe game theory based dooms day devices could be created on block chains? This seems like a bigger thing than the game it's self.

Meh. I see a giant bailout in the making.
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July 23, 2018, 10:58:03 PM

The question is why would it ever drop to 0. Why would anyone ever let that happen? If they wont, which it is reasonable to assume that they wont, then wont this thing grow forever?


If the almighty State-god can do that... printing money without any real value (and anchored in debt), and nobody complains about it (and some even praises it, in some cases), then cryptocurrencies can do the same, a thousand times over, and nobody will be able to complain as well.

Morality is made by example.
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July 23, 2018, 11:03:04 PM


The question is why would it ever drop to 0. Why would anyone ever let that happen? If they wont, which it is reasonable to assume that they wont, then wont this thing grow forever? What does this mean? Has someone figured out how to create a dooms day device built on game theory and censorship resistant computing? Even if it is not a dooms day device is this hinting at the idea that maybe game theory based dooms day devices could be created on block chains? This seems like a bigger thing than the game it's self.

Meh. I see a giant bailout in the making.

It is a totally fun idea but it’s also the economic equivalent of trying to break the second law of thermodynamics (ie not going to happen).

Your ROI on buying a later key will shrink to close to zero. It then becomes a game of chicken with the pot. People will get sick of not achieving a return on their investment and progressively give up. Others will get DDOSed and attacked. Mistakes will be made.  Eventually someone will win.  
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Your ROI on buying a later key will shrink to close to zero. It then becomes a game of chicken with the pot. People will get sick of not achieving a return on their investment and progressively give up. Others will get DDOSed and attacked. Mistakes will be made.  Eventually someone will win.  

But what if you wanted to specifically tailor the rules for the purposes of creating a black hole that would never die? What if you wanted to make weaponized game theory based on block-chain scripts? What if your motives were deleterious and your technique refined?
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July 23, 2018, 11:26:22 PM

What if your motives were deleterious and your technique refined?

What do you mean, "if"?
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What if your motives were deleterious and your technique refined?

What do you mean, "if"?

Roswater patiently playing the long game.
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How much alt coin diversification is needed? 0%?


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July 24, 2018, 12:06:45 AM

Bcash on fire,

bcashers running around with head on fire

bcash being dumped

Alex Jones calls out Roger Ver

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Yeah Roger bullshit getting called out, going ballistic

Roger Ver on Alex Jones (Super Funny!!!!)
https://youtu.be/UeGhG3Z_tsc?t=1140

That clip is more than 6 months old from February, and just to be more clear, a caller was attempting to call out Roger Ver, and Alex was quite confused about the whole situation in which it seemed that he (Alex) was getting Roger on his program to talk about bitcoin, and Roger got caught up in internal BTC politics and spent time attempting to pump Bcash and to denigrate bitcoin and to get Alex caught up into much more internal politics than Alex was prepared for.
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July 24, 2018, 12:13:28 AM

Eth at 0.058 is looking a bit limp wristed.  
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July 24, 2018, 12:43:34 AM

Eth at 0.058 is looking a bit limp wristed.  

I think ethereum and the rest of the alts are going to be in a bear market for awhile and will not follow the Bitcoin rocket this time.
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July 24, 2018, 02:23:05 AM

None of the major alts have ever endured a full crypto winter.  Even ETH launched at the bottom of the crypto winter and was straight uphill from there. Undoubtedly this has been a learning experience for the Masters of the Altiverse.  
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July 24, 2018, 02:56:13 AM


The question is why would it ever drop to 0. Why would anyone ever let that happen? If they wont, which it is reasonable to assume that they wont, then wont this thing grow forever? What does this mean? Has someone figured out how to create a dooms day device built on game theory and censorship resistant computing? Even if it is not a dooms day device is this hinting at the idea that maybe game theory based dooms day devices could be created on block chains? This seems like a bigger thing than the game it's self.

Meh. I see a giant bailout in the making.

It is a totally fun idea but it’s also the economic equivalent of trying to break the second law of thermodynamics (ie not going to happen).

Your ROI on buying a later key will shrink to close to zero. It then becomes a game of chicken with the pot. People will get sick of not achieving a return on their investment and progressively give up. Others will get DDOSed and attacked. Mistakes will be made.  Eventually someone will win.  

This is somewhat similar to some e-commerce sites that have a very low price for an item "say $1 for a $1000 TV". You "bid" $1 and if nobody else bids in a set amount of time you get the TV. But if someone else bids $2 before the timer runs out then you don't get the TV. Then $3, $4...etc. Eventually someone wins the TV for $50. Then they advertise the fact that someone just bought a fancy TV for "just $50!". The reality being that they made a whole lot more than $1,000 on that TV from the amount of bids.
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July 24, 2018, 03:10:42 AM

Bcash on fire,
bcashers running around with head on fire
bcash being dumped
Alex Jones calls out Roger Ver
 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Yeah Roger bullshit getting called out, going ballistic
Roger Ver on Alex Jones (Super Funny!!!!)
https://youtu.be/UeGhG3Z_tsc?t=1140
That clip is more than 6 months old from February, and just to be more clear, a caller was attempting to call out Roger Ver, and Alex was quite confused about the whole situation in which it seemed that he (Alex) was getting Roger on his program to talk about bitcoin, and Roger got caught up in internal BTC politics and spent time attempting to pump Bcash and to denigrate bitcoin and to get Alex caught up into much more internal politics than Alex was prepared for.
That clip is more than 6 months old from February

Not my concern, shows roger for the crook he is...

Caller did call him out, not a roger shill are we  Wink

do you see that other roger shill jbhhherreee or whateva
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July 24, 2018, 03:25:44 AM

15 minute candles.  Yellow looking more and more like it is support again.  Bullish.

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July 24, 2018, 03:40:09 AM

15 minute candles.  Yellow looking more and more like it is support again.  Bullish.



Gentlemen, how confident (or not) are you that the bottom is in?
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July 24, 2018, 03:48:33 AM

The mustard line will hold. Sentiment has shifted. The bull is getting angry. This is my understanding.

The question I find myself asking is what I will do about it. Someone posted a graph here once that showed all the great bull runs were basically like 9 days long. Anyone have that handy? I need to be prepped and ready.
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July 24, 2018, 03:52:53 AM

Eth at 0.058 is looking a bit limp wristed.  

I think ethereum and the rest of the alts are going to be in a bear market for awhile and will not follow the Bitcoin rocket this time.

Not enough money to pump bitcoin and the alts. This is still a really weak rally on terrible volume, hence alts sell for BTC.
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July 24, 2018, 03:55:48 AM

Eth at 0.058 is looking a bit limp wristed.  

I think ethereum and the rest of the alts are going to be in a bear market for awhile and will not follow the Bitcoin rocket this time.

Not enough money to pump bitcoin and the alts. This is still a really weak rally on terrible volume, hence alts sell for BTC.

That's why it's usually a bad sign. This rally will probably need to deflate a little to fill those tires back up. It's always the way.
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