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Whatever I do (buy, sell or HODL) remains very incremental because my long term investment took place over a considerable amount of time and continued to build on the stash.

Therefore, if I shave off 5% or 10% from my BTC stash for cashflow purposes, which would be a large amount for me, that would not be any BIG deal for the whole scheme of my BTC holdings or my overall BTC investment fund.

In any event, I continue to follow the main rule, which is buy on the way down and sell on the way up strategy, and another personal rule that I cannot sell any of my BTC unless I had bought them lower... .  

By the way, as many might recall, over the years, I sometimes have helped peeps IRL get into BTC, and frequently, they will listen to me in the beginning, but also, frequently, they become smarter than me, so I have an acquaintance who largely had a $9k BTC average, and so recently, this peep kept selling decent amounts of BTC (high percentage of stash) in order to buy back lower.  I kept recommending against this strategy, unless the peep bought the BTC lower, then the peep would be authorized to sell a decent portion of the part of the stash that was bought lower.  

To some extent, the practice was showing that the peep was smarter than me because the peep's BTC stash was increased by something like 20% to 30% without injecting more cash.  I continued to assert that sooner or later, the gambling strategy of selling BTC on the way down in order to buy back lower was going to back fire and cause the loss of most if not all profits, possibly including principle, which seems to have happened around $3,300.  Peep is not saying too much, at this time, but I think that peep sold more than 70% of stash in the $3,300 to $3,400 arena.  Not a place that I would want to be, currently.

when prices go down and be selling will always back fire if that the main strategy, already seen that a thousand of times.....but to really start selling like 70% or more of your stash the price of 3.3K etc is just crazy
surely after a that big of a drop...... i don't know the holdings of that guy, but i have seen some guy's selling and a few bucks lower be buying back, but its not worth the risk imo cause there to low of BTC to gain that way, if someone wants to sell @3K-ish believing it go's to 1.5K and double there stash...... i surely don't wanna be that guy, cause i don't like the risk
but who am i ofcourse (i also didn't like that risk @ 10-8-6K etc)
actualy i will never like to take that risk of selling 70-100% of my stash

that said i have met a guy, few weeks back @that crypto party.....
and that fool sold all his BTC last year @13-14k-ish prices (still before ATH) and said to everyone there i sell and will be buying back when prices are 4.5K and will be buying down till 3.5K
@that party price was little over 4.5 and he was feeling so good telling everybody how he knew..... long term he's very bullish, but still for me he's just been very lucky
for myself i will never like the idea of selling big %'s

I don't have any problem with your overall assertion that it is risky to sell large portions of your BTC holdings, yet we can certainly understand why people may find it prudent to make such a large sale when the BTC price is going up, and especially once the price has more than 10x -ed its previous ATH (of $1,163).  Of course, we don't know exactly when the price is going to stop going up, nor whether the price is going to come back down sufficiently to buy back below our sell point, such as your friend (bragging acquaintance) selling at $13k/$14k-ish.

Surely, I have less conceptual problem with selling large amounts of the BTC stash when the price is going up (especially in exponential amounts, whether that is 4x, 8x, 10x or greater) than I would selling large amounts after an already more than 50% price correction.  I might be a little torn, myself, about what price points might be prudent to lock in gains - and of course, there are going to be extremely varying perspectives regarding this, and some of them are going to end up being more right than others - yet I don't conclude the question is so much about whether a trader/hodler is ultimately right or not, but whether that person is right for themselves and their own situation.

Regarding your perception of the bragger, if you are correct in your characterization that the guy was engaged gratuitous bragging, then that can be quite annoying, yet I just have difficulties finding any way to really get annoyed by his bragging, even if he may be attempting to obtain too much credit for his wit and his foresight than he deserves.  You cannot really stop or even fight against people who might be bragging about making profits because they likely have their own difficulties even controlling such feelings. 

I actually recall going to a friend's party in December last year, and even though for some reason, I recall the content of my conversation being after the December 17th price peak, the date of the party must have been early December before the December 17 price peak.    Anyhow, I recall my own behavior in disclosing the great amount of BTC profits that I was then experiencing.  He and I had some similar investments in the past based on our shared employment benefits plan that involved matching contributions, and pretty much, I told him that my then about 4 years investing in BTC had caused me BTC profits that were in the neighborhood of more than 8x greater than my more than 12 years of maxing out my 401k.. something like that.  Of course, I did not cash out any kind of significant amount of my BTC, but I surely could not stop myself from bragging about my "paper" profits, and likely your bragging friend, micgoose, was on even more solid grounds to be bragging about actual locked in profits.  Anyhow, we know what happened to BTC after December 2017, so now if I saw that same friend, and he were to ask me about how my BTC profits were going, I would be less eager to volunteer such information that I had already opened the topic on - even though I could still tell him that my comparative current profits of the now 5 year BTC is largely still more than 2x my prior 12 years of 401k profits.
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I find it sad that the fascists and the communists are no longer hiding behind their previous softer labels and are being a bit more bold in feeling they should publicly express their fascist and communist ideals so boldly.

At least for a while the communists were calling themselves democratic socialists. Fascists were ok with staying in their KKK tea parties or wherever they were hiding.

Now they're just inundating social media with their nonsense as if it's perfectly normal.

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Never heard of "flash ball" before, a friend of mine directed me to this video of a store owner fighting of marauders during the yellow west protests in Paris.
Interesting.
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December 24, 2018, 06:35:56 PM

anyone have some jingle bells ??

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Jingle bells, I won't sell, no matter the price,
Wallet full, long the moon, take them while they're cheap, hey!
Shorts got rekt, moon next step,
r0ach is fun, feed the troll, happy Xmas all, hey!

I was about to click on "send merit to m0gliE", but you, m0gliE pojie, screwed ur selfie out of 1 freebie merit by proclaiming that "r0ach is fun"   Even though it is christmas, fuck r0ach and all WO troll/shills.   They can stick a mistletoe up their collective assholes.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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We still got 7 more days before 2019. Hope BTC will still get into a small bull run hitting the $5k mark! It was a bad 2018 after all those months since February. Too bad I cashed out to buy Christmas presents.

Your perspective about BTC does not seem very sound.


However, you might not be a lost cause if you attempt to study up on BTC, and develop a BTC strategy that does not cause you to come off as less than self-repulsed for selling BTC for consumption purposes in a more than 75% correction price range.
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anyone have some jingle bells ??

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But we have to keep in mind this is an overextended run without any significant pullback. Price doesn’t rise in straight lines
So we can expect some kind of reaction at around 4.4k
And if we get to those 5k levels I still expect us to see the yearly lows again

Could be.

However I still think the "real" bottom was around $5500 and we are now slingshotting back to it having oversold due to Craig Wright bag dumping/shenanigans.

Evenyone's waiting for a 2014 type capitulation to today's equivalent of $183, but the difference is that back then it took a couple of weeks to build the ATH with no consolidations on the way. This time it took an entire year and there were plenty of big consolidations during the build up.

Add to that the fact that the alts are now starting to recapitalise in a big way. That was what was needed to confirm the bottom and start a reversal in BTC because BTC cannot grow without massively reduced dominance as a launching pad.




I would argue that the alts recapitalizing is a sign the bottom is not in yet. The alts need to die. When Bitcoin rises and the alts are dying, then the bull market for bitcoin begins. The alts have been a major distraction, most need to die. I have been accumulating Bitcoin in the 3100 -4000 range , but I really don't believe the bottom is in yet.
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Micgoossens, get your troll girlfriend off my thread.  This is a gentlemen's club.

Haha lol ......

But F*** your right that’s my GIRL haha

Suprised she Posts in here Wink

She has a point .... my guess is r0ach hasn’t had many dates, but you still can change Roll Eyes



He still has Gembitz to fall in love with at the 100k party.  Wink Imagine Roach with a woman on a date. What would they talk about as his mom drove them to a movie, lol. I guess he could impress her with being the dumbest money on this thread. He is the King of how to not make money(sell your Bitcoins in 2015, then go all in Silver), so there is that. But once any girl sees that Roach is incapable of laughing or smiling they sense his paranoid schizo disease and will be gone in an instant. This is the story of his life. Only Gembitz and his dual set of genitals will fix this.

To understand why Roach cant pull a woman and why they run from him the first chance they get, you have to understand more about the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. This is like bug spray for women.


https://www.verywellmind.com/flattened-affect-2953086



"Flat affect (diminished emotional expression) is a hallmark symptom of schizophrenia, although it may also affect those with other conditions. It is a lack of showing emotion characterized by an apathetic and unchanging facial expression and little or no change in the strength, tone, or pitch of the voice. This extremely limited range of expressions occurs even in situations that would normally seem very exciting or very sad. For instance, upon hearing great news, someone with schizophrenia may not smile, laugh, or have any joy in their response.

Causes
Although millions of people are affected by flat affect, scientists are not entirely sure of the exact cause. It is hypothesized that it is due to differences in brain functioning—and some of the neurocognitive deficiencies that accompany schizophrenia.

Symptoms and Impact
If you have been affected by flat affect, you may find that it negatively impacts your social functioning. People can respond negatively to the way you react in a situation or conversation, leading to the assumption that you are cold or unfeeling when that's not true.

Those affected by flat affect may exhibit the following symptoms:

A monotone or flat voice with no modulation or expression
A lack of eye contact
A lack of discernible interest in the topic at hand
No changes in facial expression regardless of the circumstance (neutral expression)
A lack of verbal response to emotional stimuli
Body language or non-verbal responses that are not typical to the experience, conversation, or situation at hand
It's important to note that while you may have trouble displaying emotion, many people with schizophrenia have no difficulty recognizing emotional responses in others. This is an important factor in working with your doctor to define a treatment plan, as it gives you a foundation to build on to create appropriate social exchanges."


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anyone have some jingle bells ??

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Jingle bells, I won't sell, no matter the price,
Wallet full, long the moon, take them while they're cheap, hey!
Shorts got rekt, moon next step,
r0ach is fun, feed the troll, happy Xmas all, hey!

I was about to click on "send merit to m0gliE", but you, m0gliE pojie, screwed ur selfie out of 1 freebie merit by proclaiming that "r0ach is fun"   Even though it is christmas, fuck r0ach and all WO troll/shills.   They can stick a mistletoe up their collective assholes.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Haha, I was about to do the same at the same spot! Smiley



Micgoossens, get your troll girlfriend off my thread.  This is a gentlemen's club.

Haha lol ......

But F*** your right that’s my GIRL haha

Suprised she Posts in here Wink

She has a point .... my guess is r0ach hasn’t had many dates, but you still can change Roll Eyes



He still has Gembitz to fall in love with at the 100k party.  Wink Imagine Roach with a woman on a date. What would they talk about as his mom drove them to a movie, lol. I guess he could impress her with being the dumbest money on this thread. He is the King of how to not make money(sell your Bitcoins in 2015, then go all in Silver), so there is that. But once any girl sees that Roach is incapable of laughing or smiling they sense his paranoid schizo disease and will be gone in an instant. This is the story of his life. Only Gembitz and his dual set of genitals will fix this.

To understand why Roach cant pull a woman and why they run from him the first chance they get, you have to understand more about the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. This is like bug spray for women.


https://www.verywellmind.com/flattened-affect-2953086



"Flat affect (diminished emotional expression) is a hallmark symptom of schizophrenia, although it may also affect those with other conditions. It is a lack of showing emotion characterized by an apathetic and unchanging facial expression and little or no change in the strength, tone, or pitch of the voice. This extremely limited range of expressions occurs even in situations that would normally seem very exciting or very sad. For instance, upon hearing great news, someone with schizophrenia may not smile, laugh, or have any joy in their response.

Causes
Although millions of people are affected by flat affect, scientists are not entirely sure of the exact cause. It is hypothesized that it is due to differences in brain functioning—and some of the neurocognitive deficiencies that accompany schizophrenia.

Symptoms and Impact
If you have been affected by flat affect, you may find that it negatively impacts your social functioning. People can respond negatively to the way you react in a situation or conversation, leading to the assumption that you are cold or unfeeling when that's not true.

Those affected by flat affect may exhibit the following symptoms:

A monotone or flat voice with no modulation or expression
A lack of eye contact
A lack of discernible interest in the topic at hand
No changes in facial expression regardless of the circumstance (neutral expression)
A lack of verbal response to emotional stimuli
Body language or non-verbal responses that are not typical to the experience, conversation, or situation at hand
It's important to note that while you may have trouble displaying emotion, many people with schizophrenia have no difficulty recognizing emotional responses in others. This is an important factor in working with your doctor to define a treatment plan, as it gives you a foundation to build on to create appropriate social exchanges."




I think you are a Gembitz Alt.
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I would argue that the alts recapitalizing is a sign the bottom is not in yet. The alts need to die. When Bitcoin rises and the alts are dying, then the bull market for bitcoin begins. The alts have been a major distraction, most need to die. I have been accumulating Bitcoin in the 3100 -4000 range , but I really don't believe the bottom is in yet.

Most do but scammers will keep making cake on them so they will keep popping up with no end in sight.
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But we have to keep in mind this is an overextended run without any significant pullback. Price doesn’t rise in straight lines
So we can expect some kind of reaction at around 4.4k
And if we get to those 5k levels I still expect us to see the yearly lows again

Could be.

However I still think the "real" bottom was around $5500 and we are now slingshotting back to it having oversold due to Craig Wright bag dumping/shenanigans.

Evenyone's waiting for a 2014 type capitulation to today's equivalent of $183, but the difference is that back then it took a couple of weeks to build the ATH with no consolidations on the way. This time it took an entire year and there were plenty of big consolidations during the build up.

Add to that the fact that the alts are now starting to recapitalise in a big way. That was what was needed to confirm the bottom and start a reversal in BTC because BTC cannot grow without massively reduced dominance as a launching pad.




I would argue that the alts recapitalizing is a sign the bottom is not in yet. The alts need to die. When Bitcoin rises and the alts are dying, then the bull market for bitcoin begins. The alts have been a major distraction, most need to die. I have been accumulating Bitcoin in the 3100 -4000 range , but I really don't believe the bottom is in yet.

My SOMA guess, too, is that we need to retest at least the mid 3k's. It ain't over until the fat lady sings.
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But we have to keep in mind this is an overextended run without any significant pullback. Price doesn’t rise in straight lines
So we can expect some kind of reaction at around 4.4k
And if we get to those 5k levels I still expect us to see the yearly lows again

Could be.

However I still think the "real" bottom was around $5500 and we are now slingshotting back to it having oversold due to Craig Wright bag dumping/shenanigans.

Evenyone's waiting for a 2014 type capitulation to today's equivalent of $183, but the difference is that back then it took a couple of weeks to build the ATH with no consolidations on the way. This time it took an entire year and there were plenty of big consolidations during the build up.

Add to that the fact that the alts are now starting to recapitalise in a big way. That was what was needed to confirm the bottom and start a reversal in BTC because BTC cannot grow without massively reduced dominance as a launching pad.

https://i.imgur.com/srRlsTh.png


I would argue that the alts recapitalizing is a sign the bottom is not in yet. The alts need to die. When Bitcoin rises and the alts are dying, then the bull market for bitcoin begins. The alts have been a major distraction, most need to die. I have been accumulating Bitcoin in the 3100 -4000 range , but I really don't believe the bottom is in yet.

My SOMA guess, too, is that we need to retest at least the mid 3k's. It ain't over until the fat lady sings.
Imo already to many FAT woman have been singing!
The first real and whats BTC been doing question has crossed my pad Roll Eyes
And the he asked me how many i have of BTC lol
I asked him how much is in your bankaccount ?
Thats not the same he Said hahahaha
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Agree we need some restests of the Weekly 200 MA.  Some more fear would be helpful to form a double bottom.


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anyone have some jingle bells ??

Wink
Jingle bells, I won't sell, no matter the price,
Wallet full, long the moon, take them while they're cheap, hey!
Shorts got rekt, moon next step,
r0ach is fun, feed the troll, happy Xmas all, hey!

I was about to click on "send merit to m0gliE", but you, m0gliE pojie, screwed ur selfie out of 1 freebie merit by proclaiming that "r0ach is fun"   Even though it is christmas, fuck r0ach and all WO troll/shills.   They can stick a mistletoe up their collective assholes.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Haha, I was about to do the same at the same spot! Smiley



Micgoossens, get your troll girlfriend off my thread.  This is a gentlemen's club.

Haha lol ......

But F*** your right that’s my GIRL haha

Suprised she Posts in here Wink

She has a point .... my guess is r0ach hasn’t had many dates, but you still can change Roll Eyes



He still has Gembitz to fall in love with at the 100k party.  Wink Imagine Roach with a woman on a date. What would they talk about as his mom drove them to a movie, lol. I guess he could impress her with being the dumbest money on this thread. He is the King of how to not make money(sell your Bitcoins in 2015, then go all in Silver), so there is that. But once any girl sees that Roach is incapable of laughing or smiling they sense his paranoid schizo disease and will be gone in an instant. This is the story of his life. Only Gembitz and his dual set of genitals will fix this.

To understand why Roach cant pull a woman and why they run from him the first chance they get, you have to understand more about the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. This is like bug spray for women.


https://www.verywellmind.com/flattened-affect-2953086



"Flat affect (diminished emotional expression) is a hallmark symptom of schizophrenia, although it may also affect those with other conditions. It is a lack of showing emotion characterized by an apathetic and unchanging facial expression and little or no change in the strength, tone, or pitch of the voice. This extremely limited range of expressions occurs even in situations that would normally seem very exciting or very sad. For instance, upon hearing great news, someone with schizophrenia may not smile, laugh, or have any joy in their response.

Causes
Although millions of people are affected by flat affect, scientists are not entirely sure of the exact cause. It is hypothesized that it is due to differences in brain functioning—and some of the neurocognitive deficiencies that accompany schizophrenia.

Symptoms and Impact
If you have been affected by flat affect, you may find that it negatively impacts your social functioning. People can respond negatively to the way you react in a situation or conversation, leading to the assumption that you are cold or unfeeling when that's not true.

Those affected by flat affect may exhibit the following symptoms:

A monotone or flat voice with no modulation or expression
A lack of eye contact
A lack of discernible interest in the topic at hand
No changes in facial expression regardless of the circumstance (neutral expression)
A lack of verbal response to emotional stimuli
Body language or non-verbal responses that are not typical to the experience, conversation, or situation at hand
It's important to note that while you may have trouble displaying emotion, many people with schizophrenia have no difficulty recognizing emotional responses in others. This is an important factor in working with your doctor to define a treatment plan, as it gives you a foundation to build on to create appropriate social exchanges."




I think you are a Gembitz Alt.

I think Gembitz is your bear alt and you're a bit triggered that I make fun of it Wink Get ready for more triggering. Gemitz is a idiotic, incoherent, hermaphrodite shitcoiner. I've been hodling non stop since 2014, I am a bitcoin maximalist, believe in sound money and Bitcoin as the future global reserve currency. My first account, as many Im sure remember, The Doxing was banned from posting after I outed Lambie, NLC, etc as being the Financial Times journalist/blogger, Izabella Kaminska in 2015. She never returned after being outed. I dont bother to post much here but keep up with the thread and at the bottom of bear markets I come to pick on whatever Bear or Bears are causing the most trouble, spreading the most FUD. Last bear bottom I targeted and slayed the main bear on this thread, Lambie, hence the name.  I recently came back at the new bear market bottom and found Roach and Gembitz to be the most idiotic posters so I have fun laughing at them as the new bull market starts. I have been consistent in who I am and what I'm about. Ill be back at the next bottom after we crash from 250k to bring Bears to justice and mockery. Its all part of the market cycle circle of poo.


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December 24, 2018, 09:22:52 PM
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And the he asked me how many i have of BTC lol
I asked him how much is in your bankaccount ?
Thats not the same he Said hahahaha

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While that's true, the only real difference is that I control my wealth directly, while you have foolishly entrusted yours to others.
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December 24, 2018, 10:01:28 PM
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Much too wasted for any coherent typing. I don't get  drunk usually, but today is today. OMG. Happy Christmas everyone, and hodler paradise in 2019. Let's get disgustingly rich everybody.
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