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Question: When will bitcoin reach the top of this bull market (i.e. when will it moon)?
Topped at $13,880 in June - 9 (6.3%)
H2 2019 - 15 (10.4%)
H1 2020 - 27 (18.8%)
H2 2020 - 26 (18.1%)
H1 2021 - 12 (8.3%)
H2 2021 - 28 (19.4%)
H1 2022 - 6 (4.2%)
H2 2022 - 4 (2.8%)
H1 2023 - 0 (0%)
H2 2023 - 2 (1.4%)
2024 or Later - 15 (10.4%)
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December 25, 2018, 07:28:41 AM

I would have enjoyed more here.
Yesterday at dinner we only talked about the biggest shitcoin in the world, FIAT.
But they did not understand how it was possible that Bitcoin gave me more confidence than FIAT.
Easy, your paper comes out of a printing press as if it were a roll of toilet paper, there are billions in bank notes, all false that will never be returned.
Then I sent them my nice Christmas card and the discussion was over.

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December 25, 2018, 07:31:41 AM

lucky you, tomorrow today i'll have dinner with the pro-Macron part of the family, gonna be explosive  Cheesy
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https://twitter.com/RichardHeartWin/status/1077193787120730112
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December 25, 2018, 08:04:53 AM

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You will have a good time. Roll Eyes

The best of the night, they gave me a Google Home, perfect, I do not have to take the phone to the room to know the price of Bitcoin, I do not have to open my eyes, I do not have to get out of bed, I ask:
Hey Google what is the price of Bitcoin and I am answered by a nice girl with a sensual voice, informing me of the price.

Ok, I'm going to domotize the house.
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December 25, 2018, 08:05:05 AM

Guys, i have a (maybe stupid, but hey...) question.

I dont really understand why alts drop and rise in value with btc, when their chart is valued in BTC.
Example:
Suppose BTC is $5K and alt-X is 0.01BTC.
BTC drops to $4500, then ALT-X still should be .01BTC, as their fiat value is dropped as well, as .01btc is now only $45, as in the first scenatio it was $50 ?

Strangely, the value of ALT-x is also dropped, to lets say .008BTC, so now valued at $36

Logically i would think that the BTC value should be more or less equal ? Why is it varying so much? The variance should be only in the coin itself? I cant imagine that someone dumps some BTC and does the same with "his" alts...?

The opposite is true also, als alts increase in BTC value when BTC rises, they actually increase double compared in fiat...?

Thanks.
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December 25, 2018, 08:26:19 AM

A Christmas dump?

How lovely to put us in a great mood for the day.....FUCK IT (for one day).

Happy Xmas my HODL brothers & fuck you to the trolls & shills.
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December 25, 2018, 08:33:05 AM

Guys, i have a (maybe stupid, but hey...) question.

I dont really understand why alts drop and rise in value with btc, when their chart is valued in BTC.

The real question you should be asking is why do any of the 2000 shitcoins that exist (including bitcoin) have a value above 0 when they're literally imaginary, valueless tokens people buy for no other reason than thinking they can sell them for more than they bought them for.  Yes, altcoins are a scam.  And yes, bitcoin is a scam.  Anything that's an imaginary commodity is obviously a scam.  A commodity can't be imaginary.
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December 25, 2018, 08:43:53 AM

1.  Alts have no value of their own

2.  The price of alts is a function of how much greed / fear is in the market.

3. Fear / greed is determined by Bitcoin price performance.  

4.  Alts are denominated in BTC.  

5.  When people are greedy they buy alts using BTC.

6.  When people are fearful they sell alts using BTC.

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December 25, 2018, 08:49:29 AM
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^crap answer.  There is no logical value above zero for an imaginary commodity.  On a long enough timeline everyone knows that's exactly what they all will return to, they're just hoping to play musical chairs with the tokens, leave someone else holding the bag, and profit.  The shitcoin industry is filled to the brim with people claiming to be do-gooders by promoting this garbage.  In reality, just about everyone involved in craptocurrency are low-life scammers.
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December 25, 2018, 09:06:12 AM

As a side note, what I said above is another reason I endorse only physical metals.

For any of this centralized crypto-garbage to gain more ground, they have to get more deeply involved with people's financial savings with things like IRAs and what have you.  I have no interest in trying to trick old people into squandering their money on imaginary, valueless tokens and then having the shit blow up in their face and being homeless in the streets.  There comes a point where shilling for this stuff is like you're basically trying to destroy the entire world on purpose in hopes of making a profit.  Shill for real money (silver and gold) then you make a profit while fixing the world instead.
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December 25, 2018, 09:14:31 AM

As for your DOW shit.  The Dow to gold ratio seems to only be stable around the 5:1 ratio.  So DOW needs to either drop to 1/4th of what it is now or gold needs to go up 4x.  Gold going up 4x would send silver to around 30:1 GSR in the bull run = $166 an ounce.  For a more conservative estimate, I would say it's likely the DOW drops and gold rises at the same time so we'll just say gold doubles instead then silver is in the $80's.

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In other Christmas traditions, Mrs V8s' Aga went out sometime in the night. Certain dogs were complaining of the chill by 5am. It restarted easily enough for once, but is useless for anything till tomorrow really.
We do have a spare gas cooker in the back kitchen, but she uses all that for the Christmas meals on wheels for the villages, while I attend to our own lunch in her kitchen and entertain anyone staying plus the drivers who ferry the meals around.
Right, so lots of early morning rallying around later, heaters have been borrowed and showers had in friends' bathrooms.
Can see our own lunch not being ready till 5 or so, which is fine. All very Spanish hours.
Every year we promise ourselves to sort the plumbing, heating and cooking arrangements out in this house, but it would be a huge upheaval and a total waste of filthy fiat moneys, which would be far better spent on certain proper, sound, valuable, store of wealth type things.
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December 25, 2018, 09:18:10 AM

1.  Alts have no value of their own

2.  The price of alts is a function of how much greed / fear is in the market.

3. Fear / greed is determined by Bitcoin price performance.  

4.  Alts are denominated in BTC.  

5.  When people are greedy they buy alts using BTC.

6.  When people are fearful they sell alts using BTC.



ok, i understand most, but this would be true if actually people buy and sell.

When btc gets a dump, and the same microsecond the alts get a dump as well, it cannot be people being greedy/fearful, right? it must be a coupling in some form to the mastercoin, btc?

im not saying anything about the intrinsical value of an alt itself, nor if its a good or a bad alt, but just these fluctuations intrigue me and i dont really understand...
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December 25, 2018, 09:18:45 AM

Bitcoin Private shitshow continues.  Imagine legitimately holding shielded coins

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December 25, 2018, 09:23:01 AM

We had gained $45 Billions since december 15th, we lost $16 Billions in 24 hours.
Fuck !
Merry Christmas anyway.
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lucky you, tomorrow today i'll have dinner with the pro-Macron part of the family, gonna be explosive  Cheesy

You got anything yellow to wear ?
Good luck !


How much do that signature campaigns pay nowadays? Maybe now that I am poor I should contemplate wearing one for f00d.

Most of them just don't pay at all.
The most interesting ones are the ones that pay in BTC.
Here's a list :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0
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December 25, 2018, 09:39:15 AM

As a side note, what I said above is another reason I endorse only physical metals.

For any of this centralized crypto-garbage to gain more ground, they have to get more deeply involved with people's financial savings with things like IRAs and what have you.  I have no interest in trying to trick old people into squandering their money on imaginary, valueless tokens and then having the shit blow up in their face and being homeless in the streets.  There comes a point where shilling for this stuff is like you're basically trying to destroy the entire world on purpose in hopes of making a profit.  Shill for real money (silver and gold) then you make a profit while fixing the world instead.

You have the nocoiner virus inoculated, you are on the dark side, you must detoxify, you need urgent help, you are desperately looking for the antidote in WO, you are one step away, you will get it!!!!! Grin

Merry Christmas.
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December 25, 2018, 09:45:46 AM

As a side note, what I said above is another reason I endorse only physical metals.

For any of this centralized crypto-garbage to gain more ground, they have to get more deeply involved with people's financial savings with things like IRAs and what have you.  I have no interest in trying to trick old people into squandering their money on imaginary, valueless tokens and then having the shit blow up in their face and being homeless in the streets.  There comes a point where shilling for this stuff is like you're basically trying to destroy the entire world on purpose in hopes of making a profit.  Shill for real money (silver and gold) then you make a profit while fixing the world instead.

You have the nocoiner virus inoculated, you are on the dark side, you must detoxify, you need urgent help, you are desperately looking for the antidote in WO, you are one step away, you will get it!!!!! Grin

Merry Christmas.

Nah, I'm just calling people out for what they are.  Like this HairyMcLarry guy is a self proclaimed shitlib.  Shitlibs like to LARP (aka pretend) that they're do-gooders helping the world, but they really aren't.  People have done studies and always conclude leftists are far LESS LIKELY to donate to charities and things like that while far right people actually do.  He will claim he's some type of save the worlder, but all he cares about is personal gain and doesn't care what type of fraud and scams he has to push to get there.  Otherwise he would be shilling for metals instead of these things where you can both profit and do something good at the same time.

I was probably one of the first 10 people in the world to mine Dogecoin.  What did I do with them?  Gave most of them away to some random dog shelter in Spain that was soliciting funding and I've never even been to Spain.  It's not the best example because shitlibs will do stuff like donate to animal shelters because shitlibism is based on inferiority complex where they can only relate to 'underdogs' or people deemed lower, defeated, etc.  But the fact they have an inferiority complex means they see themselves as victims and pretend others should be donating to them instead even if they're rich and they have no desire to help normal humans.
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December 25, 2018, 09:46:33 AM

We had gained $45 Billions since december 15th, we lost $16 Billions in 24 hours.
Fuck !
Merry Christmas anyway.

still a gain of 29 Billion in 10 days...

Always look on the bright side of life...  Grin Grin
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