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March 12, 2019, 03:28:51 AM

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you got any of those you wanna trade? we might be on to something here..
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March 12, 2019, 03:35:30 AM

here, I'll mark down your seashell deposit on my talley stick
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March 12, 2019, 03:39:48 AM

seashells

you got any of those you wanna trade? we might be on to something here..

Shells and rai stones were traded sometimes by a reference.
A seller simply referred to a stone (that was on the bottom of the sea due to a boating accident) in his/her transaction.
Therefore, micg has the buying power based on those seashells...since he seems to be able to wave his hand over them, obviously.

Gosh, sometimes I feel like this is exactly what we have for the "usual" money right now.
In a few days I would probably be an accomplice in creating a bunch more as I am angling for a loan.
My loan would create "money". Weird.
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March 12, 2019, 03:48:44 AM

@JayJuanGee @ LFC_Bitcoin @bitserve

I had a choice last year that should I buy a car or house. I invested in property and reinvesting remaining money in more important things.

If everything works out fine in the next 5-10 year or so then, will buy Car with Driver  Grin

I am very happy with my under $100 bicycle and other than that I have my old "Royal Enfield classic 350" for road trips.



You usually can’t go wrong investing in bricks & mortar. It’s probably what I’ll do if/when bitcoin moons (buy lots of houses & start a property management company or something) otherwise I’ll become an alcoholic or a drug addict or something wandering around with nothing to do all day Cheesy


Great way to think about things. Most people only think to "moon" and then let things happen. And lottery winners have shown where that usually ends.
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March 12, 2019, 03:52:09 AM

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can

Depends in what context, Tom Hanks had it all in the film ‘Cast Away’ in my opinion. Living off the land in beautiful nature. At times I wish I could do that. People are overrated, I love being on my own.
Same (the being alone part). But I also love technology, entertainment and great food. So I guess I'd say that being around humans is overrated as opposed to people themselves. Also a good scotch tastes twice as good in good company, which also elevates the herb and listening to full albums.
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March 12, 2019, 03:54:33 AM

Fourth-generation farmer here. Underground farming? Not gonna happen, unless there is an extinction-level event. It takes more than space. The temperature is certainly constant, but at some stages the plants will do better if it's warmer. The realities of getting heat, light and water in needed quantities greatly outweigh the benefits. Underground caverns also (mostly) don't have appropriate soil, though hydroponics could be considered.

"Real" farming beyond hobby gardening is going to take machinery to plant  and harvest (at the least). Currently that is all internal combustion tractors and combines, fuel exhaust will be a problem underground.
Is heat, water and light still a problem with hydroponics? There's that gigantic automated indoor vertical farm in Japan that I'm pretty sure used hydroponics. Although I don't know to what extent hydroponics limit what you can grow, which would be another issue.
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I do believe in science and math, that's precisely why I don't believe in a man made environmental change. It's an unproven hypothesis.
LOL how?

How could you deny the environmental pollution causing by the industrial smokes, cars etc?
How could you deny the fact that we are destroying the environmental ecosystem by cutting the forests?
How could you deny that we are killing animals and imbalancing the entire food chain?
How could you deny the climate change?
How could you deny the increased sea level?

Do you know what will happen if the last bee dies?
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjID1ugr1fo

It is called willful ignorance, most distasteful in an otherwise intelligent individual.

One of the largest challenges we face is the constant erosion of aesthetic expectations.  I sit here in middle age, aghast at the degradation I have seen in my short lifetime.  People younger than me never even saw it before we logged off the Pacific Northwest, before we built out the strip malls, before the fisheries started to collapse.  They have no reference point to know or value the beauty that I remember, and my recollections begin in the early 1970s when the accelerated decline had been well underway for some time.

Anthropogenic climate change may or may not turn out to be significant, but the dystopian cesspool we are creating is very, very real.

+2 WOsMerits

I'm not trying to be a cunt here, but it's important not to talk about things you don't even remotely understand the scope of as if they were fact.

Try harder... and while your at it, try practicing what your preaching. Now gtfo and go invest some of those "millions" into an actual education.
I don't think I need any more degrees. And I clearly state when I don't know the conclusion, which you would be able to tell if you read any of my numerous posts today. So how about you fuck off instead?

Its not just about the destination..but also the trip along the way. See above.

In this particular instance all I see is hypocrisy on your part. You fling ad hominems around without contributing to the discussion whatsoever. The hypocrisy of yours is a direct result of you bold quoting "willful ignorance" while completely ignoring every single thing I've said.

Again, the only problem are people like you. I'm providing objective points of concern from both sides, while you attack people from a perspective that you've picked up in MSM that you clearly don't know shit about. Otherwise you would have a civil discussion instead of attacking me.
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I built a small one, they are very accurate, once you get the sling length/pin release worked out, counterweight and projectile weight dialed in. I can hit a monitor with a marble 4 cubes away, 10 out of 10 tries. GTFO with your nerf guns, I have a siege weapon...
You can hit a monitor how far? What’s a cube? Lol a typo?  Yet Another Silly Non SI unit?

Sorry, that's tech worker slang. A cube is a cubicle, an office working environment. A monitor is a computer viewing device. A monitor lizard would not be impressed by being hit with glass marbles at all, and only annoy it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_lizard

A nerf gun is a safe and legal toy. Siege weapons were used since 429 BC, to break down fortified environments. Sometimes, instead of breaking down the castle wall, they would just hurl a dead cow inside a castle, and wait for them to all die from disease. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_engine

If the king sent a messenger with an offer that was refused, they would sometimes just fling the messenger against the castle wall in response. Don't kill the messenger?

EDIT: Just now looked, a Trebuchet was apparently a 4BC Chinese invention, despite the French sounding name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet

EDIT AGAIN: I even named my small toy trebuchet. I called it "The Duke of Hurl" You can experiment with parameters here, safely.  http://www.virtualtrebuchet.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbAOQNVP7Xk
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Accurate. Anyone sufficiently intelligent and knowledgeable is out there creating real solutions to real problems, rather than creating fake problems to cry for fake solutions. Or just simply permanently intoxicated, which is still vastly preferable to wasting a lifetime in the circle jerk farce that is politics.
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March 12, 2019, 04:21:56 AM

Nice to see some voices of reason today in this world of total madness.

The founder of Greenpeace,  the legendary environmental fighter Patrick Moore speaks out and calls the hypothesis about human caused environmental changes the "biggest bluff in history". https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/03/07/greenpeace-founder-global-warming-hoax-pushed-corrupt-scientists-hooked-government-grants/



If you don’t believe in science and math, how can you believe in bitcoin?

I do believe in science and math, that's precisely why I don't believe in a man made environmental change. It's an unproven hypothesis.

The whole argument is a fallacy, it doesn't matter if its man made or not. we have the power to make the world what we want it to be and we should use that power. It's natural for species to become extinct, should we not do anything and become extinct because its natural? Terraforming the world is a natural advance of any civilization if it wants to survive, it is no different than protecting that world from space born objects.
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March 12, 2019, 04:27:08 AM

So what is the WO take on Andrew Yang?  I don’t know his policies and so don’t have an opinion yet.

As an outsider, who don't know much about American internal politics, So plz don't bash me Cheesy its just my opinion, I could be wrong here.

I have said this couple of time in P&S threads. And repeating the same here as well. he's not got going to be elected by Americans as a President. because Americans are not ready for Any Asian to lead their country, Plus any female president and any Candidate who is not Christian.
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March 12, 2019, 04:42:20 AM

To my fellow U.S.ianns, it occurs to me that it is once again census season.

In the interest of saving y'all a little work, should your household be "randomly" selected, I attach the best boilerplate I have found on the matter.

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    Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address.   My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives.  Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3.  In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.

    Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)

    “Neither branch of the legislative department , still less any merely administrative body, established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190.  We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it’s employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life.  As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others.  Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.’”

    Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.

    Respectfully,

    A Citizen of the United States of America
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March 12, 2019, 04:47:06 AM
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Ethereum is not what i see a healthy long term investment because it will go down by its own weight.

While scammer Vitalik selling it as a world super computer, reality is much different, which we already knew  Undecided

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After examining every which way we could think of to add the Trie state to our Ethereum state, we asked Vitalik for assistance. His first comment to us was “oh you’re one of the few running one of those big, scary nodes.” We asked him if he knew of anyone else running a “big, scary node” to see if we could possibly sync with them. He knew of no one, not even the Ethereum Foundation keeps a full archival copy of the Ethereum chain.

https://blog.blockcypher.com/ethereum-woes-d9b2af62da67
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March 12, 2019, 04:48:05 AM

Nice to see some voices of reason today in this world of total madness.

The founder of Greenpeace,  the legendary environmental fighter Patrick Moore speaks out and calls the hypothesis about human caused environmental changes the "biggest bluff in history". https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/03/07/greenpeace-founder-global-warming-hoax-pushed-corrupt-scientists-hooked-government-grants/



If you don’t believe in science and math, how can you believe in bitcoin?

I do believe in science and math, that's precisely why I don't believe in a man made environmental change. It's an unproven hypothesis.

The whole argument is a fallacy, it doesn't matter if its man made or not. we have the power to make the world what we want it to be and we should use that power. It's natural for species to become extinct, should we not do anything and become extinct because its natural? Terraforming the world is a natural advance of any civilization if it wants to survive, it is no different than protecting that world from space born objects.
It's natural for species to be replaced, often with whatever they evolve into. And we're clearly on the way to evolving ourselves by merging with technology and gene-editing. While I believe that there will most likely be subsets of humans that will remain such (similarly to current random tribes around the world), humans will mostly go extinct in the future. But not because we've "gone extinct".

I'm all for terraforming and keeping animals around by the way, as well as reviving those of the past and making up new ones. All of which we'll hopefully treat better and/or leave the fuck alone once lab meat becomes commercialized and common sense.


Either way, what argument exactly are you calling a fallacy? The notion that man made climate change is unproven is fact. Environmental change however is a different story, it's obvious that plastics and other trash is messing with oceans. And we have certainly displaced much of vegetation and wildlife.
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March 12, 2019, 05:15:25 AM

To my fellow U.S.ianns, it occurs to me that it is once again census season.

In the interest of saving y'all a little work, should your household be "randomly" selected, I attach the best boilerplate I have found on the matter.

Credit to http://www.truthistreason.net

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   To Whom it May Concern,

    Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address.   My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives.  Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3.  In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.

    Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)

    “Neither branch of the legislative department , still less any merely administrative body, established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190.  We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it’s employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life.  As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others.  Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.’”

    Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.

    Respectfully,

    A Citizen of the United States of America

Why do you have to say anything?  Cooperation is voluntary, correct?  So you can just refuse to cooperate and provide absolutely zero information.  Right?
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Ethereum is not what i see a healthy long term investment because it will go down by its own weight.

While scammer Vitalik selling it as a world super computer, reality is much different, which we already knew  Undecided

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After examining every which way we could think of to add the Trie state to our Ethereum state, we asked Vitalik for assistance. His first comment to us was “oh you’re one of the few running one of those big, scary nodes.” We asked him if he knew of anyone else running a “big, scary node” to see if we could possibly sync with them. He knew of no one, not even the Ethereum Foundation keeps a full archival copy of the Ethereum chain.

https://blog.blockcypher.com/ethereum-woes-d9b2af62da67


What are they doing then?  No one runs full nodes?  Wouldn't it be vulnerable to attacks, including double spends and undetected inflation?  How could such a system retain any kind of value whatsoever if regular peeps cannot even secure and assure the supply?
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March 12, 2019, 06:14:01 AM

we have the power to make the world what we want it to be and we should use that power.

Tell us why you are better off because the dodo and the passenger pigeon are extinct. Actually on second thought, don’t. 
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March 12, 2019, 06:21:33 AM

2018 January: top at Jan 6.
2018 February: bottom at Feb 6.
2018 March: top at Mar 5.

2019 January: top at Jan 8.
2019 February: bottom at Feb 8.
2019 March: top ... soon ?


2019 March: top at ... March 9 ... Huh as $3950 ... Huh
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Ethereum is not what i see a healthy long term investment because it will go down by its own weight.

While scammer Vitalik selling it as a world super computer, reality is much different, which we already knew  Undecided

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After examining every which way we could think of to add the Trie state to our Ethereum state, we asked Vitalik for assistance. His first comment to us was “oh you’re one of the few running one of those big, scary nodes.” We asked him if he knew of anyone else running a “big, scary node” to see if we could possibly sync with them. He knew of no one, not even the Ethereum Foundation keeps a full archival copy of the Ethereum chain.

https://blog.blockcypher.com/ethereum-woes-d9b2af62da67


What are they doing then?  No one runs full nodes?  Wouldn't it be vulnerable to attacks, including double spends and undetected inflation?  How could such a system retain any kind of value whatsoever if regular peeps cannot even secure and assure the supply?


ETH’s dirty secret is that almost the entire ecosystem depends on a single centralized provider - Infura. Infura is run by Consensys on AWS.  Shut down Infura and you pretty much shut down all Dapps.  If AWS pulls the pin, bye bye ETH ecosystem.  

https://coin360.com/blog/infura-and-the-inadvertent-centralization-of-ethereum

Even the 9,500 validating nodes are not full historic nodes, they “fast synch” to a recent point in time and only validate the last couple of months.  

It is directly relevant that ETH developers find running an ETH node too difficult / challenging / not worth the effort that they outsource this task to Infura and other validation providers.
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