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[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

As for a "beginner level" introduction, I'm not really aware of any that isn't gritty rigorous Math. And in that case any would be as good as any other I suppose, since the definitions are always the same (except for perhaps the symbols used). If you feel like digging deeper I'm sure you'll find any number of resources on Google. All my notes and books for these topics are in non-English though, so I can't recommend you any reference here. But alas.

[2+2 <> 4]

quite interesting, thanks for giving me something new to chew on.

initially i thought you were referring to some sort of quantum effect as applied to math, as it seems quantum effects can create temporary energy as long as its "paid back" (like say a number, but not number in abstract, more like now when there was one something there are 2 somethings or 0 somethings.

i only went as far trig and some calc.. when i hit calc, and didnt see a traditional number on any page  till like 50 pages in, my brain just stalled.

too busy then partying the best days of my life away. some regrets, but not many.

Honestly it's never to late, especially if you're interested.

When I was doing my Bachelor there was a guy well into his 50s or 60s who was taking all the "real" Math lectures with us as opposed to the dumbed down ones for Economists etc. People were very welcoming towards him and he seemed to be enjoying himself quite a lot. I changed universities throughout my Bachelor to the next city. And found the same guy taking Master level lectures at the new place when I was a bit later (first place was for Economics and Business with focus on Math, second had a proper full blown Math department). So clearly he didn't just attend, he was doing quite well too. And that appeared to be his first time at university in his life as well.

And older people have the big bonus that they may not have to perform or prove anything. You could just study for the sake of it, which takes all the stress away. And their life experiences can make it easier than for most young students who are still trying to figure out what the fuck is going on with life in the first place.


Be prepared to feel like a complete idiot as you start out, should you choose to do so though. I have not met anyone who didn't at least throughout the better portion of the first semester. But even those come back years later and still find new things they had not considered. The very first minute of the very first lecture that I took I almost fell into despair just looking at the blackboard.

Anyway, not trying to shill you into anything here. But the option is there and worth considering. Especially for those with an appreciation of just thinking about things they don't need to for nothing other than the sake of doing so. There are very few ways that are similarly efficient in breaking down all of your preconceived notions as studying Mathematics. Notions such as regret for example.

My wife and I have agreed we are going back to uni when we retire.  We want to take anthropology courses together.  Maybe I will add some pure math as well following our discussions. 

Great plan! I can't wait to go back eventually to study something out of my field myself. Perhaps music theory, history or philosophy.


If you actually do that and don't know which classes to pick you can send me a list of options over and we can try to figure out together which would best suit your interests.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

I'll come back later, I hope that by then we'll talk about Bitcoin.

Wrong thread my friend.

[Syke]

Ah. It was hidden, fair enough. Yet with zero comments. Why do you suppose that is?

A wise man once said, "If you can't argue the facts, argue the number of comments on a website."

[realr0ach]

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[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

I’m still working on a basis for numbers being a finite field.  Which makes sense if you think space time is bounded.  Less so if not.  

Finite sets of numbers are just subsets of infinite ones. As such you can nest them within infinite fields without destroying the structure.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

can you guys f***ing tell me what about you're talking??  

Someone (I forgot who) made some post about there being no absolute truths or somesusch.  I object to this as I think it a cover for all sorts of bad behaviours like “alternative facts” so challenged on the basis that 2+2 always = 4.  

Of course I don’t know any higher order mathematics so was quickly proved wrong.  Now I am trying to understand why I was wrong.  

Some Mathematicians will disagree, but alas. Proof is anything you accept as such, usually whatever is sufficient for you to follow the argument to the end.

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[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Discrete mathematics, second or third semester of computer science

Linear algebra, in this case group and field theory. First semester of Mathematics and Physics, sometimes CS as well if you go the Math route. Not necessarily discrete.

It's funny how many different perspectives and approaches even on something as well defined as fields there are.


This wasn't about the Math as much as it was about disputing the existence of absolute/objective truth. Truth depends on perspective, which depends on your assumptions, which depend on your past experiences of life.

[realr0ach]

is Bitcoin done or are our expectations too high? do we need more patience?

Maybe the bogus propaganda of trying to portray bitcoins in every single picture as physical gold coins finally failed and wore off.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

</hyperbolic nonsense>

You, good sir or madam, are a liar. I never said any such thing.

Sounded like it though to be honest.

I believe I can see where you're coming from, and can see some sense in it if I'm correct. But even then, your method of delivery probably fuels the fire more than it helps put it out.


If Muslims publicly spoke out against the problematic aspects of Islam and terrorism and publicly sought reform on a global scale, would you redact or amend your statement that Muslims are not innocent?

Sure, to people who project their own dark sides a lot. Which is again a primarily low-amygdala trait, or leftie trait. You'll notice you and I didn't get in a spat over it, for example?

My delivery is intentional. People get all kinds of honest when they get riled up. Quickly identifies who is worth my time.

Muslims as a whole will not do that. They would no longer be Muslim. It goes directly against the core of their faith.

If the most prominent Imams led the way to reform most Muslims would follow. Extremism will remain, but slowly dwindle out as it would appear increasingly retarded to throw your life away. Especially when God is all powerful anyways. Why would you harm God's creation if you honour him? And why would God need the help of us foolish mortals?

Also, even people who can't or do not want to debate unpleasant topics as these are worth the time. You can learn how to more efficiently communicate to them, e.g. in a way that gets them to understand your position. At the same time you slowly learn to understand theirs better. The more people try the quicker we'll converge to the sensible middle ground and the lower the chances of a shitstorm become.

[Ibian]

Ah. It was hidden, fair enough. Yet with zero comments. Why do you suppose that is?

A wise man once said, "If you can't argue the facts, argue the number of comments on a website."

Why don't you wanna jog your noggin on that particular question? The article is six years old. Other articles have exactly zero comments as well. Surely there must be some kind of reason for it? What could it possibly be?

[Ibian]

</hyperbolic nonsense>

You, good sir or madam, are a liar. I never said any such thing.

Sounded like it though to be honest.

I believe I can see where you're coming from, and can see some sense in it if I'm correct. But even then, your method of delivery probably fuels the fire more than it helps put it out.


If Muslims publicly spoke out against the problematic aspects of Islam and terrorism and publicly sought reform on a global scale, would you redact or amend your statement that Muslims are not innocent?

Sure, to people who project their own dark sides a lot. Which is again a primarily low-amygdala trait, or leftie trait. You'll notice you and I didn't get in a spat over it, for example?

My delivery is intentional. People get all kinds of honest when they get riled up. Quickly identifies who is worth my time.

Muslims as a whole will not do that. They would no longer be Muslim. It goes directly against the core of their faith.

If the most prominent Imams led the way to reform most Muslims would follow. Extremism will remain, but slowly dwindle out as it would appear increasingly retarded to throw your life away. Especially when God is all powerful anyways. Why would you harm God's creation if you honour him? And why would God need the help of us foolish mortals?

Also, even people who can't or do not want to debate unpleasant topics as these are worth the time. You can learn how to more efficiently communicate to them, e.g. in a way that gets them to understand your position. At the same time you slowly learn to understand theirs better. The more people try the quicker we'll converge to the sensible middle ground and the lower the chances of a shitstorm become.

If.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

</hyperbolic nonsense>

You, good sir or madam, are a liar. I never said any such thing.

Sounded like it though to be honest.

I believe I can see where you're coming from, and can see some sense in it if I'm correct. But even then, your method of delivery probably fuels the fire more than it helps put it out.


If Muslims publicly spoke out against the problematic aspects of Islam and terrorism and publicly sought reform on a global scale, would you redact or amend your statement that Muslims are not innocent?

Let's put it that way:

I don't like Islam. I don't want to be associated with Islam neither. I never went to a Mosque. Never Prayed, never did one religious ritual.

As much as I don't like Islam, I also don't like Christianity or Judaism. Any extremists from any of these religions (actually all religions) are the people I don't want to be near of.

Ibian has the right to stay away from the Muslims. He may not like them. He can do those.

But while he is doing that, he also says anything the Christians did in the past was right because it was always the other side who provocated his side.

That's not a healthy way to think imo.

I agree with that. I don't think you have any right to complain about Muslims raping if you condone Christians raping, for whatever reasons. Given the Islamic conquest of the past I may be able to defend the Crusades as a an offensive defense tactic (again I don't know enough about this to talk with any authority). But as soon as you justify rape and torture in the process of your defense you've forfeited the right to stigmatize your opponent, as you become identical.

That said, in some cases demonizing a group of people associated with a type of behaviour could help them wake up and fix the problems within their community. So I'm a bit on the fence about what I should think about Ibian's remarks. I don't know what his intent is when making such.

[kenzawak]

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[realr0ach]

Right now most people are still scared, otherwise the market would've heated up significantly.

I would say no.  Zero people in this thread are currently scared their BTC "investment" could evaporate and leave them holding the bag.  They're all currently "HODLing" looking to dump on whatever whale manipulator is dumb enough to try and manipulate it higher.  In such situations where everyone is holding and looking to dump on whoever raises it, the only real way it can go up is if it's a govt created scam to try and distract people away from physical metals and the ESF just sets money on fire to rig the price up and accomplish that task.  Or if the manipulator himself has far more coins than the peons looking to dump on him.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

</hyperbolic nonsense>

You, good sir or madam, are a liar. I never said any such thing.

Sounded like it though to be honest.

I believe I can see where you're coming from, and can see some sense in it if I'm correct. But even then, your method of delivery probably fuels the fire more than it helps put it out.


If Muslims publicly spoke out against the problematic aspects of Islam and terrorism and publicly sought reform on a global scale, would you redact or amend your statement that Muslims are not innocent?

Sure, to people who project their own dark sides a lot. Which is again a primarily low-amygdala trait, or leftie trait. You'll notice you and I didn't get in a spat over it, for example?

My delivery is intentional. People get all kinds of honest when they get riled up. Quickly identifies who is worth my time.

Muslims as a whole will not do that. They would no longer be Muslim. It goes directly against the core of their faith.

If the most prominent Imams led the way to reform most Muslims would follow. Extremism will remain, but slowly dwindle out as it would appear increasingly retarded to throw your life away. Especially when God is all powerful anyways. Why would you harm God's creation if you honour him? And why would God need the help of us foolish mortals?

Also, even people who can't or do not want to debate unpleasant topics as these are worth the time. You can learn how to more efficiently communicate to them, e.g. in a way that gets them to understand your position. At the same time you slowly learn to understand theirs better. The more people try the quicker we'll converge to the sensible middle ground and the lower the chances of a shitstorm become.

If.

Big if, I know. But virtually nobody even seems to be making the argument. I've only really seen people who completely demonize the entire Muslim population and people who are completely ignoring any problems associated and indirectly defending them with "not all Muslims" type arguments.

Neither seems to converge towards a sensible solution that doesn't require war or complete separation of populations.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Right now most people are still scared, otherwise the market would've heated up significantly.

I would say no.  Zero people in this thread are currently scared their BTC "investment" could evaporate and leave them holding the bag.  They're all currently "HODLing" looking to dump on whatever whale manipulator is dumb enough to try and manipulate it higher.  In such situations where everyone is holding and looking to dump on whoever raises it, the only real way it can go up is if it's a govt created scam to try and distract people away from physical metals and the ESF just sets money on fire to rig the price up and accomplish that task.  Or if the manipulator himself has far more coins than the peons looking to dump on him.

This thread is heavily biased towards die hard Bitcoiners. Terrible sample to base your conclusions on. I regularly check out shitcoiner places, and they're freaking out en masse on a daily basis.


Either way, regardless of your belief, Bitcoin won't go away. It's too efficient compared to legacy finance. So even if it was a scam, legacy finance will be displaced by it. Not sure what your financial goals are, but I'd just skim what I can regardless of my beliefs and then use the gains for whatever I deem valuable.

[julian071]

It really is disappointing reading dumb racist shit on a BTC forum. The contrast between such brilliant technology built to cross over and even tear down boundaries on the one side, and the small mindedness on the other is just shockingly large. How these people can entertain both realities is a mystery to me. Get the fuck out of your basements and go out and meet people you ignorant racist fucks!

[Syke]

Why don't you wanna jog your noggin on that particular question?

Because it's a ridiculous claim that the number of comments on a website is in some way indicative of quality. But hey, I'll humor you. Where's your proof of this correlation?

[zhekinsp]

Any stats on this? Except the news from media..!

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/far-right-violence-now-a-bigger-threat-to-the-us-than-daesh-and-al-qaeda-24913

So if FBI says,you all are going to trust them?

ISIS comes from where,a part of American secret society I guess.