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[mindrust]

Buying a car used to mean something.

You used to know that the car could live longer than you with proper maintenance.

Now they are becoming like cellphones. Use and throw away.

Me no likey.

They are trapped. They are coming up with these shitty cars because they want them to break apart fast and easily so you can buy another instead of sending it to the repairman.

Buy a tesla and see how much they'll pay for it 10 years later. Its worth will be nothing. Zero. Just like an old cellphone.

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[lightfoot]

Buying a car used to mean something.

You used to know that the car could live longer than you with proper maintenance.

Now they are becoming like cellphones. Use and throw away.

Me no likey.

They are trapped. They are coming up with these shitty cars because they want them to break fast and easily so you can buy another instead of sending it to repairman.

Buy a tesla and see how much they'll pay for it 10 years later. Its worth will be nothing. Zero. Just like an old cellphone.

I do agree on modern used cars: With back up camera, lane changing crap and all the other oddball bells that are required... well that shit breaks and the manufacturer won't carry parts forever. Eventually they will be used up, far earlier than older cars were.

Tesla's..... jury is out. There are a *LOT* fewer parts to break, the electronics are very well designed, and to be honest the body/suspension is fine. Lot of stupid little stuff to break (see above) but the motor and such should last for a long time.

The trick is the battery: When a cell blows in a string that string is dead. Lose enough strings and range suffers. I don't know how long tesla packs last, and I think they have spare strings in there which are switched in as older ones blow to maintain range. Which is why they can turn on "escape range" in disaster areas. However the design is closed, so finding out what's going on in the pack and in the electronics requires a lot of reverse engineering (which is way difficult if they encrypt the code on the chips, which they probably do).

So... hm?

[mindrust]

Even if these were true, I still don't want to drive a goddamn computer with wheels which some other guy can press a button and stop its engine.

Fuck this.

Fuck tesla.

[bitcoinPsycho]

Even if these were true, I still don't want to drive a goddamn computer with wheels which some other guy can press a button and stop its engine.

Fuck this.

Fuck tesla.

Get one of these

[mindrust]

Even if these were true, I still don't want to drive a goddamn computer with wheels which some other guy can press a button and stop its engine.

Fuck this.

Fuck tesla.

Get one of these

Nah I'll be fine with a pre-owned Benz.

[hodl_2015]

The trick is the battery: When a cell blows in a string that string is dead. Lose enough strings and range suffers. I don't know how long tesla packs last, and I think they have spare strings in there which are switched in as older ones blow to maintain range. Which is why they can turn on "escape range" in disaster areas. However the design is closed, so finding out what's going on in the pack and in the electronics requires a lot of reverse engineering (which is way difficult if they encrypt the code on the chips, which they probably do).
So... hm?

There are no spare strings, only some models have a software-caped battery capacity that is temporary lifted in disasters. The battery management is closed but it's not too difficult to find a bad cell. The problem is that all the cells are glued to the cooling system and replacing a cell is next to impossible. They do put many cells in series paralel, with a fuse wire on each cell, so a misbehaving cell does not kill the battery, only reduces the capacity. (basically, if it shorts itself, the fuse of that cell is blown by the charger or all the other cells dumping there load into that cell.)
Tesla 3 has just 4 battery modules that could possibly be replaced, 2 long modules in the middle, and 2 shorter modules on the sides to give the front wheels some space. The trick to long lasting li-ion is keeping them balanced, both by tight manufacturing tolerances and good battery management electronics, and careful regulation of battery currents, voltages and temperature while charging and discharging.
Current Tesla batteries won't last 1M miles but that is what they are aiming for, including the batteries. How many car manufacturers are aiming for that kind of lifetime without major maintenance?

[lightfoot]

Even if these were true, I still don't want to drive a goddamn computer with wheels which some other guy can press a button and stop its engine.

Fuck this.

Fuck tesla.

Totally agreed. My step 1 would be to pull out the cell phone or whatever runs that thing. If you don't have control over your car, you don't own your car.

[mindrust]

Even if these were true, I still don't want to drive a goddamn computer with wheels which some other guy can press a button and stop its engine.

Fuck this.

Fuck tesla.

Totally agreed. My step 1 would be to pull out the cell phone or whatever runs that thing. If you don't have control over your car, you don't own your car.

Remove the simcard and then you'll lose your warranty.  Good luck with your local repair guy fixing that thing.

[hodl_2015]

Totally agreed. My step 1 would be to pull out the cell phone or whatever runs that thing. If you don't have control over your car, you don't own your car.

At least in Tesla's sold in the EU, they don't send any statistics to Tesla by default, just download software updates which you can deny. But enabling the sending of statistics does help improving the software (safety features and self-driving) for EU roads.

[VB1001]

In the first storm full of lightning, the molten car and you back home by taxi or gratin.

[mindrust]

Tesla and all other electric cars are trojan horses and we are actually paying money to get them.

Now think about it... it is crazy.

They should give us them for free for what they are taking from us. Tbh I still wouldn't drive one if it was free.

[Indymoney]

Tesla and all other electric cars are trojan horses and we are actually paying money to get them.

Now think about it... it is crazy.

They should give them us for free for what they are taking from us. Tbh I still wouldn't drive one if it was free.

I love to have Horse instead of Electric Car 

[lightfoot]

Remove the simcard and then you'll lose your warranty.  Good luck with your local repair guy fixing that thing.

It runs without the SIM card? Fuck I could deal with fixing the broken things, I figured it would shut down and display a large red dildo on the display.

[cmacwuz]

Tesla and all other electric cars are trojan horses and we are actually paying money to get them.

Now think about it... it is crazy.

They should give them us for free for what they are taking from us. Tbh I still wouldn't drive one if it was free.

I love to have Horse instead of Electric Car 

the 2020 Horse 2-seater model is sustainable, organic, and has personalized controls, as well as self galloping technology. In addition your Horse is powered by organic, light-harvesting, sustainable fuels that can be stored at STP for years, making you the talk of the Neighhhh-borhood.

Hay you! Yea, I'm talking to YOU, you horseless fool!! Isn't it time an  all natural, self-replicating vehicle trots you home after you've drunk yourself into oblivion? Buy Horse today

[jbreher]

Maths iz hard.

[mindrust]

Remove the simcard and then you'll lose your warranty.   Good luck with your local repair guy fixing that thing.

It runs without the SIM card? Fuck I could deal with fixing the broken things, I figured it would shut down and display a large red dildo on the display.

That's actually what I wanted to say with "good luck fixing it" Not that I know what'll happen. But it is probably a giant red dildo like you imagine.

[hodl_2015]

Remove the simcard and then you'll lose your warranty.   Good luck with your local repair guy fixing that thing.

It runs without the SIM card? Fuck I could deal with fixing the broken things, I figured it would shut down and display a large red dildo on the display.

It runs fine off-line, obvious without streamed music: https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/no-navigation-map-without-cellular-signal The car will usually wait for a wi-fi connection before downloading software updates and sending statistics, to save data bandwidth on the SIM. It does call Tesla directly in events like airbag activation.

Hay you! Yea, I'm talking to YOU, you horseless fool!! Isn't it time an  all natural, self-replicating vehicle trots you home after you've drunk yourself into oblivion? Buy Horse today

Tesla thought of that. If you get in the car and don't enter anything in the navigator or give any speech commands, it will check you schedule (if linked) and else the navigation defaults to driving home. All we need now is full-self-driving to get your drunk self home.

[Indymoney]

Maths iz hard.

This Math is not hard very funny he need to go school again

[jbreher]

- jbreher has actually dropped posting shilling crap (so far). Nice.

Yeah. There has been a lull in the posting of ignorant misinformation regarding my favorite crypto, so there has been a corresponding lull in my posting of corrections.

JJG hasn't been around much lately. Coincidence?

Not really. While JJG posts his share of utter bollocks, s/he's not among the most egregious, averaged over time. Or especially averaged over word count.

[JayJuanGee]

Yes holy water being drained in churches too

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

I'm interested in seeing what the death rate per capita is in the various US states.

Will Red states suffer more due to their ignorance and love of "real facts"?

Will Blue states suffer more due to their Godless ways and lack of prayer?

Reality exists, time to place your bets.

the important question is: what are the rates in the Citadels?

We already have a society that is built upon the ability of rich folks to create Citadels, and seems to me that the ability to continue to have Citadels in such a way that bitcoin holdlers are going to be able to prosper, profit, enjoy and to keep their health and lives is to have some underlying stability in various aspects of society, including the public at large that likely did not buy bitcoin early and end up being late adopters of bitcoin. 

If people perceive that they have nothing to lose, then we are all likely to get fucked, and in those kinds of circumstances, it would not matter how many BTC we might have.