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May 31, 2015, 02:10:35 PM
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Quoting from the 22nd April 2015 report, a total of about 1.3 billion yen (over 10 million dollars) is owed by Karpeles to MtGox depositors.


I wasn't sure about the amount. It was 10M then. The critical question is then "Will he give them back?"  Roll Eyes

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May 31, 2015, 02:31:46 PM
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Quoting from the 22nd April 2015 report, a total of about 1.3 billion yen (over 10 million dollars) is owed by Karpeles to MtGox depositors.


I wasn't sure about the amount. It was 10M then. The critical question is then "Will he give them back?"  Roll Eyes

Since Kobayashi opened bankruptcy proceedings of Tibanne, he will be forced to give a % back (how much % is the question), quoting:

While I have continually and strongly claimed against TIBANNE Co., Ltd.
(“TIBANNE”), which is the parent company of MtGox Co., Ltd. (“MtGox”), for
repayment of the loan receivables that MtGox has against TIBANNE, repayment from
TIBANNE has not yet been made. Accordingly, on January 29, 2015, I applied for
commencement of the bankruptcy proceeding for TIBANNE, as a creditor thereof, with
permission from the Tokyo District Court. In response, on January 30, 2015, the
Tokyo District Court issued an order of commencement of the bankruptcy proceeding
for TIBANNE.
I, as the Bankruptcy Trustee of MtGox, will continue to make efforts to take
necessary measures with respect to collection of receivables due from affiliated
companies, etc.

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May 31, 2015, 06:09:16 PM
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Quoting from the 22nd April 2015 report, a total of about 1.3 billion yen (over 10 million dollars) is owed by Karpeles to MtGox depositors.


I wasn't sure about the amount. It was 10M then. The critical question is then "Will he give them back?"  Roll Eyes

Since Kobayashi opened bankruptcy proceedings of Tibanne, he will be forced to give a % back (how much % is the question), quoting:

While I have continually and strongly claimed against TIBANNE Co., Ltd.
(“TIBANNE”), which is the parent company of MtGox Co., Ltd. (“MtGox”), for
repayment of the loan receivables that MtGox has against TIBANNE, repayment from
TIBANNE has not yet been made. Accordingly, on January 29, 2015, I applied for
commencement of the bankruptcy proceeding for TIBANNE, as a creditor thereof, with
permission from the Tokyo District Court. In response, on January 30, 2015, the
Tokyo District Court issued an order of commencement of the bankruptcy proceeding
for TIBANNE.
I, as the Bankruptcy Trustee of MtGox, will continue to make efforts to take
necessary measures with respect to collection of receivables due from affiliated
companies, etc.

I think MK has a lot of his stash (5M) captured by the US Govt. for running a money transmittance service back in 2013; that's why he didn't want to appeal to the court there. I don't know if the "loans" have managed to make his current economic condition better, but since he has a gag order I believe he couldn't tell us even if he wanted to.

On the bright side, when this is over, Kraken will hold a lot of his original customers and probably will get a nice position to the exchange business. I think this will probably give the price the much awaited boost it needs after 1+ year bear market.

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June 01, 2015, 09:27:19 PM
Last edit: June 01, 2015, 09:54:25 PM by fixxi.net
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The Offline Claimant form, anyone knows what email to send that to ? I missed the 29 May deadline, but hopefully they will accept my claim.

I wonder what will happen with this.
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June 03, 2015, 04:13:24 AM
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The Offline Claimant form, anyone knows what email to send that to ? I missed the 29 May deadline, but hopefully they will accept my claim.

I wonder what will happen with this.

I think you may be shit out of luck there. If you missed the deadline I don't imagine they will allow you to file the claim now. How did you muss the deadline?
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June 03, 2015, 05:31:47 AM
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The Offline Claimant form, anyone knows what email to send that to ? I missed the 29 May deadline, but hopefully they will accept my claim.

I wonder what will happen with this.

I think you may be shit out of luck there. If you missed the deadline I don't imagine they will allow you to file the claim now. How did you muss the deadline?

I'd advise contacting Kraken ASAP (via their thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.2880) / site (www.kraken.com) or directly PM user: Dargo) in order to see what's possible and what's not. Don't just wait nor trying to do things by your own. If something is possible to be done, the best case scenario is to have somebody with access to Kobayashi; and right now, Kraken has that access.

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June 03, 2015, 07:08:36 AM
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Did anyone get any emails to start the claims process? If not, how would we know apart from checking the forums everyday? (I didn't get any emails but I didn't have anything there)

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June 03, 2015, 07:18:08 AM
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The Offline Claimant form, anyone knows what email to send that to ? I missed the 29 May deadline, but hopefully they will accept my claim.

I wonder what will happen with this.

Did you try submitting the claim online? So long as it is possible to do that, there is no need to do the offline claim form. But according to the instructions for the offline form, you have to send it by mail. To find the offline form and the instructions, go to https://claims.mtgox.com and click "click here" at the bottom of the page.
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June 03, 2015, 08:24:06 AM
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Did anyone get any emails to start the claims process? If not, how would we know apart from checking the forums everyday? (I didn't get any emails but I didn't have anything there)


The Attorney will decide about every claim with the judge on september, until there, no comunications....

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June 03, 2015, 09:32:32 AM
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The Offline Claimant form, anyone knows what email to send that to ? I missed the 29 May deadline, but hopefully they will accept my claim.

I wonder what will happen with this.

Offline means offline. You send it by snail mail.
You can still make a claim, but hurry up!

We have made a little tutorial:

https://wiki.olivere.de/goxwiki.ro/HereWeGo.html

For the offline claim see:

https://wiki.olivere.de/goxwiki.ro/OfflineClaim.html


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June 03, 2015, 04:13:38 PM
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This might be interesting:

Criminal Charges Against Agents Reveal Staggering Corruption in the Silk Road Investigation


Two of the law enforcement agents involved in the tangled multi-agency investigation into the Silk Road have been charged by the Department of Justice for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars (at the very least) in bitcoin. The criminal complaint against former DEA agent Carl Mark Force IV and former Secret Service agent Shaun Bridges alleges money laundering, wire fraud, theft of government property, and more. But more shockingly, it tells the story of a sprawling case tainted by an unbelievable web of corruption. A state’s witness took the fall for an agent’s theft, thus becoming the target for a murder-for-hire—a murder that was then faked by the same agent. The Silk Road case was compromised again and again as Force and Bridges allegedly took every opportunity to embezzle and steal money. With so much bitcoin on their hands, the two had to coax various bitcoin and payments companies to help convert their ill-gotten gains to dollars. When companies resisted, investigations were launched, subpoenas were issued, and civil forfeitures were sought in retaliation.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahjeong/2015/03/31/force-and-bridges/

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June 11, 2015, 08:50:28 AM
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This might be interesting:

Criminal Charges Against Agents Reveal Staggering Corruption in the Silk Road Investigation


Two of the law enforcement agents involved in the tangled multi-agency investigation into the Silk Road have been charged by the Department of Justice for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars (at the very least) in bitcoin. The criminal complaint against former DEA agent Carl Mark Force IV and former Secret Service agent Shaun Bridges alleges money laundering, wire fraud, theft of government property, and more. But more shockingly, it tells the story of a sprawling case tainted by an unbelievable web of corruption. A state’s witness took the fall for an agent’s theft, thus becoming the target for a murder-for-hire—a murder that was then faked by the same agent. The Silk Road case was compromised again and again as Force and Bridges allegedly took every opportunity to embezzle and steal money. With so much bitcoin on their hands, the two had to coax various bitcoin and payments companies to help convert their ill-gotten gains to dollars. When companies resisted, investigations were launched, subpoenas were issued, and civil forfeitures were sought in retaliation.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahjeong/2015/03/31/force-and-bridges/

oh god! This was predicted in a thread where it was announced that they had confiscated the coins. I cant seem to locate it now. If someone can locate it please post it here.

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June 11, 2015, 09:00:21 AM
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Did anyone get any emails to start the claims process? If not, how would we know apart from checking the forums everyday? (I didn't get any emails but I didn't have anything there)


Yeah i have no contact from anyone yet.  Looking forward to geting some coin back though lets hope enough people picked they want their money in bitcoin so it makes the decision real easy.
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June 12, 2015, 06:05:03 AM
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This might be interesting:

Criminal Charges Against Agents Reveal Staggering Corruption in the Silk Road Investigation


Two of the law enforcement agents involved in the tangled multi-agency investigation into the Silk Road have been charged by the Department of Justice for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars (at the very least) in bitcoin. The criminal complaint against former DEA agent Carl Mark Force IV and former Secret Service agent Shaun Bridges alleges money laundering, wire fraud, theft of government property, and more. But more shockingly, it tells the story of a sprawling case tainted by an unbelievable web of corruption. A state’s witness took the fall for an agent’s theft, thus becoming the target for a murder-for-hire—a murder that was then faked by the same agent. The Silk Road case was compromised again and again as Force and Bridges allegedly took every opportunity to embezzle and steal money. With so much bitcoin on their hands, the two had to coax various bitcoin and payments companies to help convert their ill-gotten gains to dollars. When companies resisted, investigations were launched, subpoenas were issued, and civil forfeitures were sought in retaliation.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahjeong/2015/03/31/force-and-bridges/

oh god! This was predicted in a thread where it was announced that they had confiscated the coins. I cant seem to locate it now. If someone can locate it please post it here.

Somewhere along the line I myself argued that it was a strong hypothesis that Mt. Gox's main problems stemmed from actions promulgated by the U.S. govt.  I am sure I proposed it several times on this board (if not this thread), and I even offered to Mt. Gox that I would be happy to lend some assistance as a harmed party should they wish to pursue a racketeering charge or some such.

What I really didn't imagine was that part of the problems were that Federal agents had gone rouge and were stealing coins themselves!  Even my rather conspiratorial mind and strong mis-trust of my government to be honest actors was unable to assign any creadence to such a wild hypothesis.  But there it is.

Since I am, as I say, prone to entertain various hypothesis, and since I am aware of a major step-up of psychological operations by my govt lately, I will propose the possibility that this whole 'bad agents' thing is concocted to cover for certain other activities.  I'll reject that if these guys are wearing orange jumpsuits in a prison yard in a few years.  Of course everyone will have forgotten about everything by that time.


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June 13, 2015, 05:11:25 PM
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This might be interesting:

Criminal Charges Against Agents Reveal Staggering Corruption in the Silk Road Investigation


Two of the law enforcement agents involved in the tangled multi-agency investigation into the Silk Road have been charged by the Department of Justice for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars (at the very least) in bitcoin. The criminal complaint against former DEA agent Carl Mark Force IV and former Secret Service agent Shaun Bridges alleges money laundering, wire fraud, theft of government property, and more. But more shockingly, it tells the story of a sprawling case tainted by an unbelievable web of corruption. A state’s witness took the fall for an agent’s theft, thus becoming the target for a murder-for-hire—a murder that was then faked by the same agent. The Silk Road case was compromised again and again as Force and Bridges allegedly took every opportunity to embezzle and steal money. With so much bitcoin on their hands, the two had to coax various bitcoin and payments companies to help convert their ill-gotten gains to dollars. When companies resisted, investigations were launched, subpoenas were issued, and civil forfeitures were sought in retaliation.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahjeong/2015/03/31/force-and-bridges/

oh god! This was predicted in a thread where it was announced that they had confiscated the coins. I cant seem to locate it now. If someone can locate it please post it here.

Somewhere along the line I myself argued that it was a strong hypothesis that Mt. Gox's main problems stemmed from actions promulgated by the U.S. govt.  I am sure I proposed it several times on this board (if not this thread), and I even offered to Mt. Gox that I would be happy to lend some assistance as a harmed party should they wish to pursue a racketeering charge or some such.

What I really didn't imagine was that part of the problems were that Federal agents had gone rouge and were stealing coins themselves!  Even my rather conspiratorial mind and strong mis-trust of my government to be honest actors was unable to assign any creadence to such a wild hypothesis.  But there it is.

Since I am, as I say, prone to entertain various hypothesis, and since I am aware of a major step-up of psychological operations by my govt lately, I will propose the possibility that this whole 'bad agents' thing is concocted to cover for certain other activities.  I'll reject that if these guys are wearing orange jumpsuits in a prison yard in a few years.  Of course everyone will have forgotten about everything by that time.

If you are right, and indicting the rouge agents represents some kind of limited hang out masking a deeper government operation, then how do explain the missing $27 million cash in bank deposits in addition to the bitcoins gone missing, as well as the bank shenanigans during the final days of Mt. Gox reported by mtgoxinvestigation.com? It seems overly simplistic to merely believe the USG pulled off this heist, although obviously rogue agents could have been involved at some level. Also,  what do you make of the Tokyo police leak in January that an insider was involved?
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July 02, 2015, 03:34:42 PM
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http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/02/carl-force-pleads-guilty/?ncid=rss_truncated
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July 02, 2015, 03:52:49 PM
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It's all over the news; it seems no one is untouched by the charm of Bitcoin... Tongue
Seriously now, I first thought it was a "set up" story by the US Gov't. It seems to be backed up by serious data & evidence though. I wonder if SR has others in the bin apart from the known ones...

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It's all over the news; it seems no one is untouched by the charm of Bitcoin... Tongue
Seriously now, I first thought it was a "set up" story by the US Gov't. It seems to be backed up by serious data & evidence though. I wonder if SR has others in the bin apart from the known ones...

around 650K BTC?
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It's all over the news; it seems no one is untouched by the charm of Bitcoin... Tongue
Seriously now, I first thought it was a "set up" story by the US Gov't. It seems to be backed up by serious data & evidence though. I wonder if SR has others in the bin apart from the known ones...

around 650K BTC?

If they could find the 650k due to some corrupt dude on the inside for some reason then that would be great.  Probably find a way to steal it though.
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July 02, 2015, 05:59:15 PM
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I -just- cannot avoid the hefty thought and thus -consequently- the correlation:

650K+200K=850K missing... Roll Eyes

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