MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]

[Gotgoxed]

In my opinion we should gather together and hire a Private Investigator.

better hire a hitman

Careful with jokes... Ross Ulbricht is in deep trouble for allegedly trying to do that. 

Okay, my friend! 

Notice: The Statement above is a joke 

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[iikun]

At first I thought this story was something, then I realised its just another company out for consultancy fees from Kobayashi..
http://www.coindesk.com/security-firm-claims-new-leads-search-missing-mt-gox-bitcoin/

[JorgeStolfi]

At first I thought this story was something, then I realised its just another company out for consultancy fees from Kobayashi..
http://www.coindesk.com/security-firm-claims-new-leads-search-missing-mt-gox-bitcoin/

Or worse: they may be trying to preempt an independent criminal investigation.  The hint of a connection to Roger Ver is troubling, since he was a major client of MtGOX, and possibly a friend of Mark Karpelès (both were living in Tokyo at the time).

That possible connection alone should disqualify them for this task.

And the Sunlot proposal has the same strong smell.

[bitcoinvest]

At first I thought this story was something, then I realised its just another company out for consultancy fees from Kobayashi..
http://www.coindesk.com/security-firm-claims-new-leads-search-missing-mt-gox-bitcoin/

Or worse: they may be trying to preempt an independent criminal investigation.  The hint of a connection to Roger Ver is troubling, since he was a major client of MtGOX, and possibly a friend of Mark Karpelès (both were living in Tokyo at the time).

That possible connection alone should disqualify them for this task.

And the Sunlot proposal has the same strong smell.

I have no reason not to believe what you wrote, in fact i do like what i read from you. ( because facts are facts and the community has to wake up)
May i please ask what is your personal opinion on what happend with MtGox.com?

[DrApricot]

At first I thought this story was something, then I realised its just another company out for consultancy fees from Kobayashi..
http://www.coindesk.com/security-firm-claims-new-leads-search-missing-mt-gox-bitcoin/

It does call attention to the fact that anyone conniving enough to come up with this scheme in the first place is calculating enough to realize that it would eventually come out exactly who is to blame.

What is the exit plan, and how did the perpetrator(s) hope to get away with it...a one way spaceflight on Virgin Galactic?

[JorgeStolfi]

May i please ask what is your personal opinion on what happend with MtGox.com?

I can think of many theories, and the truth is prbably more complicated than any of them... 

Some things I am quite convinced, though:  Mark knows how it happened but he refuses to tell, on the contrary he tried to blame some external hacker exploiting the "malleability bug".  But that excuse has been debunked already by some people at MIT.   Therefore nothing that Mark Karpelès has said or written can be trusted.  There must have been other people involved.  I cannot see how his associate Gay-Bouchery could not have been aware of the loss; and he has not said anything either. 

Unfortunately there is no real data that people could trust and understand.  That leaked database is incomplete, hard to interpret, and may have been doctored to hide the true culprits.  People who know the truth may be keeping quiet to protect themselves, or have been bribed or threatened to shut up.  It is obvious that many MtGOX customers want to avoid a police investigation, because they were doing something illegal -- even if was not related to the disappearance of the coins.

[bitcoinvest]

[...]  we have so many updates on the case and his website i believe have a lot o visit but NO UPDATES! why???

This may be a silly question, but did you ask him?

and after all....... http://mtgoxprotest.com/

" Error establishing a database connection "


I like it.....  really what i think now for him is that somehow he got his BTC back....

correct my if i am wrong  

just a thought



EDIT:  back on line again..... after i posted it ( of course i don't want to say this was the reason.....)

And of course no more news... he hasn't even published the comments....

[OhShei8e]

Come on people!!!

mtgoxprotest.com has stoped posting any news!!! I wonder why..... maybe because someone gave him his BTC back? Maybe......

savegox.com it has not updated its website since May!

and the same situation with the others ( the only active proposal as i see it is from BitOcean Japan)

So am i missing something or everyone that took action on MtGox after some period stoped posting??

NO i'm not missing anything.. that is a fact!

We are still there:

https://www.olivere.de/mailman/listinfo/gox-self-help

Last we had a discussion about a letter sending to Nobuaki Kobayashi:

https://wiki.olivere.de/goxwiki/ClaimsGoxSelfHelp

If you want to do something the wiki needs some maintenance.

We will definitely try to get the TXouts of the stolen coins.

[bitcoinvest]

Come on people!!!

mtgoxprotest.com has stoped posting any news!!! I wonder why..... maybe because someone gave him his BTC back? Maybe......

savegox.com it has not updated its website since May!

and the same situation with the others ( the only active proposal as i see it is from BitOcean Japan)

So am i missing something or everyone that took action on MtGox after some period stoped posting??

NO i'm not missing anything.. that is a fact!

We are still there:

https://www.olivere.de/mailman/listinfo/gox-self-help

Last we had a discussion about a letter sending to Nobuaki Kobayashi:

https://wiki.olivere.de/goxwiki/ClaimsGoxSelfHelp

If you want to do something the wiki needs some maintenance.

We will definitely try to get the TXouts of the stolen coins.

Greetings, i'm very happy to see such a reply.

But let me understand...
https://www.olivere.de/mailman/listinfo/gox-self-help   What this has to do with mtgoxrecovery.com?
Are you the same person?

Why i have to register to view what is posted?


and last since as i read you are still there why posts and updates stoped on mtgoxrecovery.com


Thanks!

[OhShei8e]

What this has to do with mtgoxrecovery.com?

Nothing. You wrote:

So am i missing something or everyone that took action on MtGox after some period stoped posting??

NO i'm not missing anything.. that is a fact!

I merely pointed out that we (gox-self-help) are still alive.  

Are you the same person?

No, I have nothing to do with mtgoxrecovery.

Why i have to register to view what is posted?

This has several reasons. I do not want to control postings. So its is better if it is not public on the web. I will publish most parts of the wiki soon.

and last since as i read you are still there why posts and updates stoped on mtgoxrecovery.com

No idea.
I think people have just a life.

I ask him a question on the in March. No answer yet.  

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/775-lost-money-on-mtgox-join-us-to-help-press-legal-and-criminal-charges-against-mtgox-and-mark-karpeles/#entry9131n

[Sevvero]

Serious question - why is Mark still alive?

Most of you were robbed of your livelihood and you will let this cretin walk?

Seriously, grow a spine. Why are cryptotards so high inhibition? I watched the video of the nerd protesting at headquarters and he couldn't even gut the fat pig.

What a loser. If someone took my money like that I'd go to hell and back to make them pay.

[OhShei8e]

Serious question - why is Mark still alive?

Because we are not murderers.

[Sevvero]

Serious question - why is Mark still alive?

Because we are not murderers.

Ah, right, you are the guys who got bullied at school and never fought back, hoping they will just get bored and "go away".

You are spineless, that's what you are.

[JorgeStolfi]

Serious question - why is Mark still alive?

Because we are not murderers.

Ah, right, you are the guys who got bullied at school and never fought back, hoping they will just get bored and "go away".
You are spineless, that's what you are.

I thought that most of MtGOX's  former clients were not particularly attracted to the idea of spending a couple decades in prison.  But there are exceptions, it seems. 

[justusranvier]

Serious question - why is Mark still alive?

Because we are not murderers.

Ah, right, you are the guys who got bullied at school and never fought back, hoping they will just get bored and "go away".
You are spineless, that's what you are.

I thought that most of MtGOX's  former clients were not particularly attracted to the idea of spending a couple decades in prison.  But there are exceptions, it seems. 

Anyone trying to incite anonymous forum posters to get involved with violent crimes is almost certainly a cop trying to meet their arrest quota.

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/only_1_percent_of_terrorists_caught_by_fbi_are_real_partner/

[OhShei8e]

Ah, right, you are the guys who got bullied at school and never fought back, hoping they will just get bored and "go away".

My school days a long time ago but I think bullying and murder are two different things.

If you really want to kill someone because of Bitcoins, you might like to meet a psychologist. Honestly. Threats does not help in the search for the lost coins.
I am sure that we can identify the stolen coins some day in the block chain. Let us work on this task in a constructive way.

[DieJohnny]

I am certain I will see my Mt Gox coins again, my YubiKey says so

[Sevvero]

lol, what a bunch of pussies you are.

I guess anyone can rob you and you won't care.

Internet generation. LOL

[OhShei8e]

lol, what a bunch of pussies you are.

I guess anyone can rob you and you won't care.

We care. But the problems are far bigger than many currently aware. It's a problem not only for those who have lost half a Million Bitcoins with Gox:

https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/1067-new-bitcoin-foundation-website-a-welcome-addition/#entry11948

We will find the coins. Don't  worry. But I do not know if this will be a reason to cheer.

[JorgeStolfi]

We will find the coins. Don't  worry. But I do not know if this will be a reason to cheer.

Unfortunately there seems to be many former MtGOX clients who absolutely do NOT want an independent investigation.  That is why proposals to "revive MtGOX"  (such as Sunlot's) have their support.

Sunlot already promised "full amnesty" to Gay-Bouchery and Jed McCaleb, in exchange for their support of their proposal; and they avoided to say whether they will investigate Mark's role.  The US lawsuit was also recalled by their intervention.   For all we know, if Sunlot revives MtGOX, they may even hire Mark to run it.

The "malleability bug" explanation has been debunked by some people at MIT.  It is highly likely that it was an inside job, and may have involved several people, including some MtGOX clients and people at other exchanges. 

And the Shrem Karpelès & Friends Foundation does not seem to regard bitcoin theft and embezzlement in general as a problem worthy of their attention.