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March 15, 2015, 06:53:24 PM
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Interesting theory. What's even more interesting though is that the process has been stalled for quite sometime now. No announcements, no assurances, no explanation whatsoever. The most significant part of the story so far is, that ONE YEAR LATER nobody can say for sure, WTF happened. Period. Roll Eyes

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March 15, 2015, 07:32:16 PM
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I don't agree with you that one year later nobady can say for sure....
in fact, days after hacker attack/transaction malleability news from Mark ALL the community and experts denied and one year later we had those news from Tokyo police that also said it was an inside job. The newspaper (if i remember well was the newspaper or an online article ) wrote that after the news in 2-3 days would post more about the case... but nothing happened since... it's clear from this point of view that someone is covering the hole case.

Let's not forget about that!
And also we have to have some news from Kraken side right?



by the way very nice article....
http://www.scmp.com/business/article/1735594/beijing-has-bitcoin-problem-its-hands
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I don't agree with you that one year later nobady can say for sure....
in fact, days after hacker attack/transaction malleability news from Mark ALL the community and experts denied and one year later we had those news from Tokyo police that also said it was an inside job. The newspaper (if i remember well was the newspaper or an online article ) wrote that after the news in 2-3 days would post more about the case... but nothing happened since... it's clear from this point of view that someone is covering the hole case.

Let's not forget about that!
And also we have to have some news from Kraken side right?



by the way very nice article....
http://www.scmp.com/business/article/1735594/beijing-has-bitcoin-problem-its-hands
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But now that it’s [Beijing's] facing a stealthier threat in bitcoin, its options are more limited. Zhou is undoubtedly aware of the problem posed by bitcoin, but he may not yet know what he should do about it.
Could be a similar type of situation with the Mt. Gox coins. They're still trying to figure out what to do--hence, the cover-up while the PTB try to keep their options open. One wonders what their original plan could have been--obviously, it has gone awry.

The only point of leverage the depositors have is to expose their game. The situation is clearly much more complicated than has generally been given any credit. If it were merely a matter of hacker(s) stealing bitcoins, it would have long since been resolved, and someone would be sitting behind bars.

The present situation suggests a stalemate of some kind, and playing for time until it ends. Those parties holding missing Mt. Gox coins need to be smoked out ASAP.

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Could be a similar situation with the Mt. Gox coins. They're still trying to figure out what to do--hence, the cover-up as the PTB try to leave their options open. The only point of leverage the creditors have is to expose their game. The situation is obviously much more complicated than has generally been given credit. If it were merely a matter of hacker(s) stealing bitcoins, it would have long since been resolved, and someone would be sitting behind bars.

i agree 100%!
this is the reason they do not publish something, they examine what is the best senario to publish....
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April 01, 2015, 02:16:16 PM
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After a long time away from internet access yesterday i finally was able to read the news.
if you haven't heard about it have a look on that..

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/30xb6s/courtesy_of_mark_karpeles/

Seems that Mark is trying to tell us something
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April 02, 2015, 11:20:55 AM
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http://techcrunch.com/2015/04/01/feds-nabbed-for-big-bitcoin-heist-involving-gox-and-silk-road/

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April 02, 2015, 01:32:26 PM
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Do we know how many they are supposed to have stolen?  I had heard that they were arrested about the silk road theft but I didn't know it could be Gox related.
Are there any actual updates about getting money back from Gox?  Or is that about as likely as it ever was to be allowed to withdraw money from Gox?!
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April 02, 2015, 03:07:48 PM
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Do we know how many they are supposed to have stolen?  I had heard that they were arrested about the silk road theft but I didn't know it could be Gox related.
Are there any actual updates about getting money back from Gox?  Or is that about as likely as it ever was to be allowed to withdraw money from Gox?!

The Feds involvement could make the Japanese Mt Gox court case even longer. The Japanese court will have to take the news into account and debate if it effects the case, which could take months.
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April 15, 2015, 05:43:54 PM
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Hello guys,

I really appreciate your devotion to the matter discussed thoroughly already.
I'm kinda new here, but affected with the same issue.
Some time ago I found myself unable to log in to my MtGox account to check again by balance.
Does anyone here have the same problem right now or that's only me and the forgotten user/password thing?
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April 18, 2015, 09:54:47 AM
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Hello guys,

I really appreciate your devotion to the matter discussed thoroughly already.
I'm kinda new here, but affected with the same issue.
Some time ago I found myself unable to log in to my MtGox account to check again by balance.
Does anyone here have the same problem right now or that's only me and the forgotten user/password thing?

Nope. Everyone else can get their coins just fine. Check out the movement on that market! https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd

You should contact that guy that lost 10k btc on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028032.0


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April 18, 2015, 10:28:51 AM
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Hello guys,

I really appreciate your devotion to the matter discussed thoroughly already.
I'm kinda new here, but affected with the same issue.
Some time ago I found myself unable to log in to my MtGox account to check again by balance.
Does anyone here have the same problem right now or that's only me and the forgotten user/password thing?

Nope. Everyone else can get their coins just fine. Check out the movement on that market! https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd

You should contact that guy that lost 10k btc on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028032.0

What do you mean by "Everyone else can get their coins just fine" ?

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April 18, 2015, 10:40:32 AM
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Hello guys,

I really appreciate your devotion to the matter discussed thoroughly already.
I'm kinda new here, but affected with the same issue.
Some time ago I found myself unable to log in to my MtGox account to check again by balance.
Does anyone here have the same problem right now or that's only me and the forgotten user/password thing?

Nope. Everyone else can get their coins just fine. Check out the movement on that market! https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd

You should contact that guy that lost 10k btc on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028032.0

What do you mean by "Everyone else can get their coins just fine" ?

Thought it was apparent I was being sarcastic what with replying to a single-post user about something that should be clear to everyone  Undecided

Nevermind.


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April 18, 2015, 10:48:16 AM
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Hello guys,

I really appreciate your devotion to the matter discussed thoroughly already.
I'm kinda new here, but affected with the same issue.
Some time ago I found myself unable to log in to my MtGox account to check again by balance.
Does anyone here have the same problem right now or that's only me and the forgotten user/password thing?

Nope. Everyone else can get their coins just fine. Check out the movement on that market! https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd

You should contact that guy that lost 10k btc on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028032.0

What do you mean by "Everyone else can get their coins just fine" ?

Thought it was apparent I was being sarcastic what with replying to a single-post user about something that should be clear to everyone  Undecided

Nevermind.

haha alright, i was like dufuuq do we get out money back Cheesy

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April 18, 2015, 01:20:22 PM
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I don't see funds coming out from Gox. The only viable solution on the matter would be the MtGox->Kraken transition but -unfortunately- I don't see it happening anytime soon. The authorities have no comment on the matter, M.K. is nowhere to be found and if you ask the guys at Kraken they say "we're in the (negotiation) process". As many here before me have mentioned, "there is a LOT we don't know" and I bet, there's more that we don't even imagine.  Undecided

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April 18, 2015, 03:33:05 PM
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The deadline for victims to file claims was 2015-05-25, right?  That is only 1 month away, and AFAIK Mr. Kobayashi has yet to tell former MtGOX clients what will constitute a valid claim, and what they will have to provide in order to prove that they are entitled to it.

Perhaps you may have noticed my bazillion warnings that "your claim" may not be just your balance in the MtGOX ledgers at some random date, but instead the difference between what you deposited and what you withdrew, with the market price *at the time* used to evaluate BTC deposits and withdrawals.  AFAIK, the latter method, rather than the account balances, has been used in similar cases, such as the Madoff ponzi liquidation. 

But it seems that no one is worried by that question, because apparently no one has thought of asking Mr. Kobayashi which of the two alternatives he will use.  It seems that everybody is still convinced that the preferences of the victims will prevail over the laws, the legal precedents, and the trustee's preferences.

I don't even fell like saying "good luck to you" any more...

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The deadline for victims to file claims was 2015-05-25, right?  That is only 1 month away, and AFAIK Mr. Kobayashi has yet to tell former MtGOX clients what will constitute a valid claim, and what they will have to provide in order to prove that they are entitled to it.

Perhaps you may have noticed my bazillion warnings that "your claim" may not be just your balance in the MtGOX ledgers at some random date, but instead the difference between what you deposited and what you withdrew, with the market price *at the time* used to evaluate BTC deposits and withdrawals.  AFAIK, the latter method, rather than the account balances, has been used in similar cases, such as the Madoff ponzi liquidation.  

But it seems that no one is worried by that question, because apparently no one has thought of asking Mr. Kobayashi which of the two alternatives he will use.  It seems that everybody is still convinced that the preferences of the victims will prevail over the laws, the legal precedents, and the trustee's preferences.

I don't even fell like saying "good luck to you" any more...

Good points. To the most significant one; a valid claim is presumed that will be based on the balance that each client had at the time the closure happened (ie: the balance you have now on your account). The problem is that they're short on coins. On the other hand they're (allegedly) have to give A LOT of fiat back. As per the 1 month period and the "valid claim", I don't buy it.

Besides; what's more valid than a customer that it was mandatory to prove his ID, residence, etc in order to become a member in Gox? Don't you find it overemphasized? Too many aspects are so damn wrong in there... and the sad thing is that I don't see it become any better; yes. Even when the deadline is passed... Embarrassed

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To the most significant one; a valid claim is presumed that will be based on the balance that each client had at the time the closure happened (ie: the balance you have now on your account).

Erm, "presumed" in what sense?  That is probably what the victims expect and would like, but the point is that the law and/or legal precedents seem to be different -- and they woudl prevail over the victims' convictions about "right".  (The MtGOX website warns that the balance is provided only for information, and should NOT be assumed to be the claim.)

Not to mention that, according to what I have read, the database has been doctored and/or some of the trades recorded i it are not legitimate.  If that is the case, those balances cannot be taken into account.  Even if your balance is correct according to your accounting, if other people's balances are artificially inflated, your refund would be diminished.  Ditto if some large accounts are owned by MtGOX managers or associates (they should not get any refunds).

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Besides; what's more valid than a customer that it was mandatory to prove his ID, residence, etc in order to become a member in Gox?

I don't know, but If the claims are defined as deposits minus withdrawals, clients may have to submit at least a list of such actions with dates.  Also, I gather that there are old accounts without full ID information, or may have been created with bogus IDs. 

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April 18, 2015, 11:28:32 PM
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Hello guys,

I really appreciate your devotion to the matter discussed thoroughly already.
I'm kinda new here, but affected with the same issue.
Some time ago I found myself unable to log in to my MtGox account to check again by balance.
Does anyone here have the same problem right now or that's only me and the forgotten user/password thing?

Nope. Everyone else can get their coins just fine. Check out the movement on that market! https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd

You should contact that guy that lost 10k btc on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028032.0

What do you mean by "Everyone else can get their coins just fine" ?

Thought it was apparent I was being sarcastic what with replying to a single-post user about something that should be clear to everyone  Undecided

Nevermind.

haha alright, i was like dufuuq do we get out money back Cheesy

Hey majeis, you just haven't read my post carefully enough...
It was not a question of "getting my coins just fine" but only of logging in there to check my balance...
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April 19, 2015, 05:58:12 AM
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Erm, "presumed" in what sense?  That is probably what the victims expect and would like, but the point is that the law and/or legal precedents seem to be different -- and they woudl prevail over the victims' convictions about "right".  (The MtGOX website warns that the balance is provided only for information, and should NOT be assumed to be the claim.)


Presumed based on the fact on what the online database -that everyone is able to login with his account credentials- presents. Otherwise what is it there for? Pardon me, but I wouldn't like that as a victim as you propose. I'd like the possibility to get back about 4000eur which I tried to withdraw back then and wasn't able to. On the contrary I've been offered to buy back some of my coins (at the time it was a bit more expensive) and I got trapped with only some virtual coins which I couldn't withdraw either.

Not to mention that, according to what I have read, the database has been doctored and/or some of the trades recorded i it are not legitimate.  If that is the case, those balances cannot be taken into account.  Even if your balance is correct according to your accounting, if other people's balances are artificially inflated, your refund would be diminished.  Ditto if some large accounts are owned by MtGOX managers or associates (they should not get any refunds)

I don't know, but If the claims are defined as deposits minus withdrawals, clients may have to submit at least a list of such actions with dates.  Also, I gather that there are old accounts without full ID information, or may have been created with bogus IDs.  

Doctored or not, there is proof for all the transactions we've made (I personally have an electronic copy of every single one). So; I guess if I'm able to cross-match, mr Kobayashi should be able to do it too. As per the artificial balances and/or non verified accounts, I'd rule all of them as fake unless the owner(s) have proof that they're actually theirs (good luck with that)...

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April 19, 2015, 06:31:34 AM
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Hello guys,

I really appreciate your devotion to the matter discussed thoroughly already.
I'm kinda new here, but affected with the same issue.
Some time ago I found myself unable to log in to my MtGox account to check again by balance.
Does anyone here have the same problem right now or that's only me and the forgotten user/password thing?

Nope. Everyone else can get their coins just fine. Check out the movement on that market! https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd

You should contact that guy that lost 10k btc on this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1028032.0

What do you mean by "Everyone else can get their coins just fine" ?

Thought it was apparent I was being sarcastic what with replying to a single-post user about something that should be clear to everyone  Undecided

Nevermind.

haha alright, i was like dufuuq do we get out money back Cheesy

Hey majeis, you just haven't read my post carefully enough...
It was not a question of "getting my coins just fine" but only of logging in there to check my balance...

My misunderstanding. First posts in threads like these tend to come from less than genuine sources. Sorry that this is the topic that transitions you from lurker to poster.

I hope you have favorable results in the future, though with crypto, don't get your hopes up for good news in matters like this.

Best of luck.


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