[1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool

[ragnard]

Thiago,

I'm getting the same error, but only on my litecoin p2pool.  My bitcoin p2pool on the same machine doesn't have that error.  Everything seems to be working just fine though.

My p2pool version is 72d960a

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[01BTC10]

I have set donation to 0% on my p2pool. When I put fee, I will donate 0.05% out of 0.25% . I know it's not much but even at 0% fee I get almost 0% trafic lol

[Diapolo]

Some people have started using the default donation as a way to bad mouth P2Pool.

Obviously it's easy enough to disable if you bothered to read the wiki. Still, I think it would be better to make the donation opt in instead of opt out.

Don't get me wrong, I think forrestv deserves the donation (and more) for all his work on P2Pool, but maybe it would be best to default the donation to 0 in a future release?

ACK

I disabled the donation too, but not because I think it's bad to donate to the author, but I dislike a "standing order" .
Perhaps you could add a dialog, which asks if a user want's to send a one time donation or sth. like that?

Dia

[kjj]

Seriously?  People have a problem with half of a percent that can be changed to anything else, including zero, with absolutely no effort?

Screw 'em.  Leave the default where it is.

[forrestv]

Hi!

 The following error can be ignored?

Thanks for that report, Thiago. I just fixed it in git.

[Nim]

Some people have started using the default donation as a way to bad mouth P2Pool.

Obviously it's easy enough to disable if you bothered to read the wiki. Still, I think it would be better to make the donation opt in instead of opt out.

Don't get me wrong, I think forrestv deserves the donation (and more) for all his work on P2Pool, but maybe it would be best to default the donation to 0 in a future release?

Seriously?  People have a problem with half of a percent that can be changed to anything else, including zero, with absolutely no effort?

Screw 'em.  Leave the default where it is.

The fact that you guys take criticism as bad mouthing is not a good sign. You should see feedback as an opportunity to improve and not just say "screw 'em". This response is very disappointing.

[twmz]

What if p2pool prompted the user the first time it ran:

Do you want to support ongoing development of the p2pool software by donating 0.5% of your earnings to the developer?  [y/n]

It could store the answer in the data directory just like it does the vip password, etc.  And of course if someone actually included a donation parameter on the command line, it would not prompt.  It seems like this would address the fact that the default donation is "hidden".

[NothinG]

Is this donation to the developer thing the same as -f or in any correlation to it?
If not, is there any way publicly to denote that a pool is donating..if so how much, etc.

[01BTC10]

I find the author donation merited and would leave it to default but if I do no one is going to use my pool so it is conterproductive in my case.

[kjj]

Some people have started using the default donation as a way to bad mouth P2Pool.

Obviously it's easy enough to disable if you bothered to read the wiki. Still, I think it would be better to make the donation opt in instead of opt out.

Don't get me wrong, I think forrestv deserves the donation (and more) for all his work on P2Pool, but maybe it would be best to default the donation to 0 in a future release?

Seriously?  People have a problem with half of a percent that can be changed to anything else, including zero, with absolutely no effort?

Screw 'em.  Leave the default where it is.

The fact that you guys take criticism as bad mouthing is not a good sign. You should see feedback as an opportunity to improve and not just say "screw 'em". This response is very disappointing.

Would "Fuck you" be less disappointing?

Forrest has spent hundreds of hours to make it possible for idiots like you to participate in a decentralized pool and still get regular payouts.  And you say that he is exploiting people by having a default donation of half of one percent that can be changed by anyone that bothers to read the documentation provided?

Let me say it again.  Fuck you.  By creating and developing this incredible software, he is helping not just you, and not just all p2pool users, but the entire bitcoin community.  You should do the decent thing and apologize for you ridiculous accusation.

[NothinG]

I'm siding with kjj on this one.

[Ente]

Would "Fuck you" be less disappointing?

Forrest has spent hundreds of hours to make it possible for idiots like you to participate in a decentralized pool and still get regular payouts.  And you say that he is exploiting people by having a default donation of half of one percent that can be changed by anyone that bothers to read the documentation provided?

Let me say it again.  Fuck you.  By creating and developing this incredible software, he is helping not just you, and not just all p2pool users, but the entire bitcoin community.  You should do the decent thing and apologize for you ridiculous accusation.

..tempted to push the 'ignore button' on you, which would be the first time here..

Ente

[twmz]

Yay, Internet.

[Therilith]

Fuck you.

Fuck you too.

[flower1024]

please calm down a little...

-f fee is a percentage which will be kept by your bitcoind (default = 0)
--give-author is a percentage which will be sent to forrestv (default=0.5) and he really deserves it.

a simple run_pypool.py --help says:
--give-author DONATION_PERCENTAGE
                        donate this percentage of work to author of p2pool
                        (default: 0.5)

are there really people which don't do --help before they start a command line program?


btw:


damn

[Ente]

I am testing my central p2pool node, finally on a real linux machine :-)

Strangely, p2pool reports way-too-low hashrates. I mine with constant 290Mh/s, all day now. P2pool says:

2012-03-19 19:02:01.592058 New work for worker! Difficulty: 0.107541 Share difficulty: 667.763165 Total block value: 50.028282 BTC including 39 transactions
2012-03-19 19:02:02.060129 P2Pool: 17395 shares in chain (17175 verified/17399 total) Peers: 10 (0 incoming)
2012-03-19 19:02:02.060293 Local: 11354kH/s in last 10.0 minutes Local dead on arrival: ~15.4% (2-40%) Expected time to share: 2.9 days
2012-03-19 19:02:02.060357  Shares: 0 (0 orphan, 0 dead) Stale rate: ??? Efficiency: ??? Current payout: 0.7961 BTC
2012-03-19 19:02:02.060422  Pool: 314GH/s Stale rate: 7.1% Expected time to block: 5.7 hours

I may or may not find a share every few hours. But it is in the two-digit Mh/s range all the time, thats what bugs me.. Cant be the dynamic difficulty adjustment, since it says "kH/s"? Lost here..

--version:
6b4c15a

Ente

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[kjj]

Would "Fuck you" be less disappointing?

Forrest has spent hundreds of hours to make it possible for idiots like you to participate in a decentralized pool and still get regular payouts.  And you say that he is exploiting people by having a default donation of half of one percent that can be changed by anyone that bothers to read the documentation provided?

Let me say it again.  Fuck you.  By creating and developing this incredible software, he is helping not just you, and not just all p2pool users, but the entire bitcoin community.  You should do the decent thing and apologize for you ridiculous accusation.

..tempted to push the 'ignore button' on you, which would be the first time here..

Ente

Heh.  Don't threaten, just do it.  Won't bother me in the least.

But if you disagree with what I've said, rather than just thinking that I'm an ass, please say how and why.  I've been wrong before, and I've admitted it, and even apologized a time or two.  I don't think that'll happen this time, but maybe I actually was out of line.

But so far, Nim has made an outlandish and hurtful accusation against someone that has done more good for this community than probably 99% of us ever will.  However harsh and rude my delivery, I think my point still stands.

[DeathAndTaxes]

I think it should be left opt-out.  The reality is most people go the route of least resistance and it has been shown numerous times in everything from advertising to notifications if something is opt-in the opt-in rate is a tiny fraction of the didn't opt-out rate.

That being said to be above board two easy changes can be made:
a) The first post should clearly indicate there is an optional 0.5% donation to the author enabled by default.  Put something there to explain that p2pool is free software (free as in free speech not free beer) and donations ensure continued support and upgrades from the author.  Provide command line examples to modify the rate or disable it.  Users should at least be notified up front of any potential fees.

b) Since when p2pool starts up it displays a lot of "house keeping" type messages having something like

Code:

2012-03-19 9:00:43 Donating 0.5% of gross revenue for the continued support and upkeep or p2pool.  Thank you for your support

or

Code:

2012-03-19 9:00:43 You currently have donations disabled.  p2pool is open source and provided at no cost however your financial contribution ensures continued support and upgrades.  Please consider a manual donation or enable automatic donations with the command line argument --give-author <pct amount>. 

is a good way for user to verify.  If they somehow missed the first post seeing "you are donating" likely leads them to asking a question rather than mine for weeks and then (wrongly or not) feel ripped off.

Seems too easy to both leave it opt-in and remove any "grayness" real (or just perceived) from the issue.

[kjj]

I am testing my central p2pool node, finally on a real linux machine :-)

Strangely, p2pool reports way-too-low hashrates. I mine with constant 290Mh/s, all day now. P2pool says:

2012-03-19 19:02:01.592058 New work for worker! Difficulty: 0.107541 Share difficulty: 667.763165 Total block value: 50.028282 BTC including 39 transactions
2012-03-19 19:02:02.060129 P2Pool: 17395 shares in chain (17175 verified/17399 total) Peers: 10 (0 incoming)
2012-03-19 19:02:02.060293 Local: 11354kH/s in last 10.0 minutes Local dead on arrival: ~15.4% (2-40%) Expected time to share: 2.9 days
2012-03-19 19:02:02.060357  Shares: 0 (0 orphan, 0 dead) Stale rate: Efficiency: Current payout: 0.7961 BTC
2012-03-19 19:02:02.060422  Pool: 314GH/s Stale rate: 7.1% Expected time to block: 5.7 hours

I may or may not find a share every few hours. But it is in the two-digit Mh/s range all the time, thats what bugs me.. Cant be the dynamic difficulty adjustment, since it says "kH/s"? Lost here..

--version:
6b4c15a

Ente

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Yeah, that is pretty bad.  To me, it looks like your miner is using your CPU and not your GPU.  Is your miner reporting normal speeds?

[Ente]

I think noone here said that forrestv doesnt deserve these 0.5%. All that shouting lately seems to be just a misunderstanding? Some people said that the 0.5% set as default is taken to attack p2pool, therefore to think about making opt-in instead of opt-out. I agree with you, kjj, that it should stay as it is, as opt-out. People who dont manage to do that would find a ton more "problems" and nag with the same questions over and over again, so I agree to "screw em".
I just get annoyed by such random, unasked use of "fuck you". We are all on the same side, not?

Ente
..aint even mad