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Author Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool  (Read 2029436 times)
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May 19, 2012, 03:18:04 AM
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If luck is the explanation of the frequency of block discovery, then we are discovering 10% below what is possible on average. The below average discovery rate could indicate resource diversion, which has already been shown publicly to occur. You could say that "Luck" is how to explain away resource diversion.

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If BTC became the global currency & money supply = 100 Trillion then ⊅1.00 BTC = $4,761,904.76.
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May 19, 2012, 03:29:48 AM
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So you're telling me that every time I get an NMC block, I also found a BTC block? So the 200 NMC I got over the past 2 months, I could have also gotten 200 BTC? I made only like 10 BTC using p2p/pools.

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May 19, 2012, 03:37:56 AM
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So you're telling me that every time I get an NMC block, I also found a BTC block? So the 200 NMC I got over the past 2 months, I could have also gotten 200 BTC? I made only like 10 BTC using p2p/pools.

No.

NMC difficulty is lower than BTC.  Any block which solves BTC difficulty also solves NMC difficulty (because it is lower).  The reverse isn't true..
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May 19, 2012, 03:44:05 AM
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I see, nevermind Smiley
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May 19, 2012, 04:04:38 AM
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If luck is the explanation of the frequency of block discovery, then we are discovering 10% below what is possible on average. The below average discovery rate could indicate resource diversion, which has already been shown publicly to occur. You could say that "Luck" is how to explain away resource diversion.

However, P2Pool is open source - there's no closed server that could be secretly diverting hashes. Please, do audit the source. It's either a bug somewhere (which I've been trying like mad to find) or just really bad luck.

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May 19, 2012, 04:06:12 AM
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If luck is the explanation of the frequency of block discovery, then we are discovering 10% below what is possible on average. The below average discovery rate could indicate resource diversion, which has already been shown publicly to occur. You could say that "Luck" is how to explain away resource diversion.

However, P2Pool is open source - there's no closed server that could be secretly diverting hashes. Please, do audit the source. It's either a bug somewhere (which I've been trying like mad to find) or just really bad luck.

Regardless, its still worth it to mine with P2Pool!

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May 19, 2012, 07:50:47 AM
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If luck is the explanation of the frequency of block discovery, then we are discovering 10% below what is possible on average. The below average discovery rate could indicate resource diversion, which has already been shown publicly to occur. You could say that "Luck" is how to explain away resource diversion.

However, P2Pool is open source - there's no closed server that could be secretly diverting hashes. Please, do audit the source. It's either a bug somewhere (which I've been trying like mad to find) or just really bad luck.

Regardless, its still worth it to mine with P2Pool!

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10% is totally worth it.  Don't care if it is a bug, a security problem, bad luck, the phase of Ivpeter, "ghosts", whatever.

My post history will show that I started with btc guild in their very early days, and that I have nothing but good things to say about E.  My default distribution of p2pcoin even uses btc guild for backup.  But p2pool is just plain healthier for bitcoin, in the long run.  And I care more about bitcoin today and tomorrow than I care about the balance in my wallet.

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May 19, 2012, 03:32:12 PM
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Agreed. I've been taking the 10% hit like everyone else over the past months. Leaving P2pool and decreasing the hashing power just makes it harder and harder to find blocks and increase our ****. And let's be honest, when the **** is good, it's goodWink
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May 19, 2012, 06:13:38 PM
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Agreed. I've been taking the 10% hit like everyone else over the past months. Leaving P2pool and decreasing the hashing power just makes it harder and harder to find blocks and increase our ****. And let's be honest, when the **** is good, it's goodWink

I was reading through the earlier posts in here and came across this:

http://p2poolparty.org/stats.html

Assuming the link is accurate, there aren't a whole lot of people in p2pool.  I assume some of these addresses are other pools, like p2pmining, but still, the list is smaller than I thought.

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May 19, 2012, 07:50:16 PM
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Quote from: forrestv
However, P2Pool is open source - there's no closed server that could be secretly diverting hashes.
It doesn't have to be p2pool software doing the diverting, there are other softwares installed also. I see p2pool more as a target than hiding some hidden attack/assault/diversion agenda.
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It's either a bug somewhere (which I've been trying like mad to find) or just really bad luck.
Barring some "luck" bug, it may require thinking outside the p2pool software box.

How far back do your stats go, can there be a correlation between updates and efficiency/luck?
Can p2pool gather stats on miner software used, OS of a miner, miner software stats like efficiency, rejected, etc.?

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10% is totally worth it.  Don't care if it is a bug, a security problem, bad luck, the phase of Ivpeter, "ghosts", whatever.
I get that you are willing to take one for the team, but where are you taking it? Are they using grease?

You have a widget factory and next door is another widget factory producing exactly what you are producing using the same equipment that you are using. Both of your products are priced the same. You have set up your equipment to be as productive as it can be without killing your workers. You have access to the exact same markets. If all things appear to be equal and yet you are producing 10% less then the widget plant next door, then the question is why? What is causing the 10% reduced production based on other widget manufacturers? Is it an internal issue or an external issue?

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If BTC became the global currency & money supply = 100 Trillion then ⊅1.00 BTC = $4,761,904.76.
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May 19, 2012, 10:51:07 PM
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So, pool is still showing >30% stales. Is that a bug because of the old versions mining on a "fork" or is something else going on?
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May 19, 2012, 11:06:48 PM
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So, pool is still showing >30% stales. Is that a bug because of the old versions mining on a "fork" or is something else going on?

If I understood the problem correctly, anyone with the faulty build will *only* produce stales (because of the protocol switch) - so ~30% stales and ~30% faulty versions seems to work out...

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May 20, 2012, 12:23:12 AM
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The total network is producing ⊅7450 per 24hrs for 11.91 TH/s. How many ⊅ per GH/s is that?
http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/

How does that compare to the current expected value of ⊅0.58016 per GH/s based on the current difficulty?
What is the current p2pool payout per GH/s?

For Bitcoin to be a true global currency the value of BTC needs always to rise.
If BTC became the global currency & money supply = 100 Trillion then ⊅1.00 BTC = $4,761,904.76.
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May 20, 2012, 01:18:10 AM
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The total network is producing ⊅7450 per 24hrs for 11.91 TH/s. How many ⊅ per GH/s is that?
http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/

How does that compare to the current expected value of ⊅0.58016 per GH/s based on the current difficulty?
What is the current p2pool payout per GH/s?

Being PPLNS, the payout to each address is dependent upon the total shares in the chain, and the number of shares at that the address has in the chain. The share finding functions similarly to how block finding does, IIRC, so it's ****-based. For example, with 1.3ghash in my miner, my payout fluctuates between .17BTC/block found and .26BTC/block found. It would be difficult to use your suggested calculations in order to determine the overall pool **** over time, or even today.
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May 20, 2012, 01:37:10 AM
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The luck should be based on the total 1-diff shares generated each block
(i.e. if a share is 700 diff then of course that counts as 700 1-diff shares)
The expected number of shares is the difficulty.
So to get luck a simple example would be shares/diff
(i.e. > 1 is bad luck, < 1 is good luck)

The fact that the history is lost (hidden ... wiped ... gone)
means that it is unlikely to get any reliable stats from anyone who hasn't kept that history

(Edit: even shares isn't perfect, but it is as accurate as any pool can be)

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May 20, 2012, 01:47:44 AM
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The total network is producing ⊅7450 per 24hrs for 11.91 TH/s. How many ⊅ per GH/s is that?
http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/

How does that compare to the current expected value of ⊅0.58016 per GH/s based on the current difficulty?
What is the current p2pool payout per GH/s?

Being PPLNS, the payout to each address is dependent upon the total shares in the chain, and the number of shares at that the address has in the chain. The share finding functions similarly to how block finding does, IIRC, so it's ****-based. For example, with 1.3ghash in my miner, my payout fluctuates between .17BTC/block found and .26BTC/block found. It would be difficult to use your suggested calculations in order to determine the overall pool **** over time, or even today.
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I have only used p2pool and my current daily average = ⊅0.66846 per Gigahash.
Are you tracking your received ⊅ from p2pool?
Do you know when you started using p2pool?
If yes, then developing an average payout per day is elementary.

Providing it in a stat page would be awesome. Previous 24hr total hashrate, Previous 24hr total payouts, history per day and a monthly average. I will donate 1 BTC to see it happen!

For Bitcoin to be a true global currency the value of BTC needs always to rise.
If BTC became the global currency & money supply = 100 Trillion then ⊅1.00 BTC = $4,761,904.76.
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May 20, 2012, 01:56:54 AM
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Now what is ⊅?

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May 20, 2012, 02:07:36 AM
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Now what is ⊅?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra_of_sets#The_algebra_of_inclusion Wink

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May 20, 2012, 02:11:22 AM
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hey guys. having a little difficulty getting setup here. my miner (ufasoft, through guiminer) isn't able to complete a handshake with a locally running p2pool node. the handshake is timing out. any thoughts?
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May 20, 2012, 02:18:05 AM
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hey guys. having a little difficulty getting setup here. my miner (ufasoft, through guiminer) isn't able to complete a handshake with a locally running p2pool node. the handshake is timing out. any thoughts?
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