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October 16, 2017, 06:40:28 AM
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hey guys, about L3+...

I've been renting the power on nicehash, but it's shite nowdays, like $17 daily...
Do you think there are better places to rent L3+?

Some multipool which supports scrypt and pays in btc?
Any ideas what to do?

Thanks a bunch

Try mining-dutch.nl

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nice one! did not know of it before... will give it a try with an L3 to see if it does better than pro hashing. GUI is a bit weird though ;-)

my conclusion about my L3's is that the PSU's are getting to much heat. They're installed behind the miners in the DC, which was fine for 2 weeks. My best guess is the temperature in the DC increased somehow and the PSUs are causing different banks of ASICs to switch off.

https://imgur.com/a/RB3Ck

have this on both of my miners... started on exactly the same day. very puzzling, are they damaged? broken? I understand what the "x" means but after a reboot they're fine (all "o") for 10 minutes or so now. also, the first L3+ showed this after I updated the miners setting. nothing before that.

hardly any HW errors... argh.

https://imgur.com/a/5UlV6

they're setup like this and run pretty cool. power supplies were cool as well but moved them nevertheless...




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October 16, 2017, 09:42:14 AM
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Hi guys,

I have 2 brand new L3+ for sale along with 1 PSU ( with 18 connectors ) that could power both.

I am located in Greece ( Athens ) , and the miners are being cleared from customs this week. Brand new.

My price for both miners and the PSU is 5500EUR and I do ship worldwide at your cost and with courier companies like DHL-UPS.

I do accept deals in person if you live in Athens or willing to travel, but also bank wire and BTC payment.

Please send me a message if interested as they will be ready to ship.

Thank you

Mike
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October 16, 2017, 11:14:31 AM
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Hi guys,

I have 2 brand new L3+ for sale along with 1 PSU ( with 18 connectors ) that could power both.

I am located in Greece ( Athens ) , and the miners are being cleared from customs this week. Brand new.

My price for both miners and the PSU is 5500EUR and I do ship worldwide at your cost and with courier companies like DHL-UPS.

I do accept deals in person if you live in Athens or willing to travel, but also bank wire and BTC payment.

Please send me a message if interested as they will be ready to ship.

Thank you

Mike

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October 16, 2017, 11:34:27 AM
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October 16, 2017, 12:05:37 PM
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Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

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October 16, 2017, 01:04:54 PM
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Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...
curious to see what bitmain, canaan and hopefully some new entrants will have available early '18! maybe they can squeeze 25TH/s from an S11, and a few GHz of scrypt from an L5...
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October 16, 2017, 01:07:09 PM
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Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...
curious to see what bitmain, canaan and hopefully some new entrants will have available early '18! maybe they can squeeze 25TH/s from an S11, and a few GHz of scrypt from an L5...

I can't even imagine Bitmain releasing an L5 with even more hashing power than the L3+. It would be a bloodbath, lol. They'll need to upgrade their servers again Smiley
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October 16, 2017, 01:08:40 PM
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Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

My guessing on calcs with electric and a guess on difficulty at my winter rate of 12c kWh

Imho, you need a least $90 LTC or more, using that scrypt coin as an example to break even....and that may be low.

I'm including all electric use for 12 months and the bitmain PSU and shipping etc at the current $2040 rate.

Again, this is off the cuff and I used the www.litecoinpool/calc for ease of use at 101% and no fee.

Likely, you would do 10-15% better on a multipool like Nicehash or Prohashing

So LTC needs to pump to $90 to $100 bucks or my KNC Titans may finally be 'doorstops' with the L3's soon after.

Feel free to correct me, if I'm being too optimistic or pessimistic on this. This is a 'seat of the pants' calc and guess.


Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...
curious to see what bitmain, can and hopefully some new entrants will have available early '18! maybe they can squeeze 25TH/s from an S11, and a few GHz of scrypt from an L5...

I can't even imagine Bitmain releasing an L5 with even more hashing power than the L3+. It would be a bloodbath, lol. They'll need to upgrade their servers again Smiley


Bitmain could release an L5+ or whatever. But again, imho, it would be to get better equip to their data hall first (3 months to us say) and
also for their hashnet of pow/scrypt and of course their bet that this would make sense also on a $90 to $100 buck LTC or equiv scrypt pow price.

But as a consumer product as the only consideration, they can just continue to run these out like toasters (S9 Bitmain BTC miner) and adjust price

up/down/sideways as prudent. Myself, I expect them to sell L3+'s into middle of 2018, at reduced prices sure....but they now control 80% or more, of all

ASIC manufacturing for sha-256 (BTC) scrypt-pow (LTC and majority of altcoins) and now x11 (dash)

so the question becomes, they have a 'captive audience' for mining equipment ..so why push new equipment, when the only alternative is the market

the share of 'old designs' you control?

anyway, I know zip.....just saying....



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October 16, 2017, 02:32:28 PM
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Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

My guessing on calcs with electric and a guess on difficulty at my winter rate of 12c kWh

Imho, you need a least $90 LTC or more, using that scrypt coin as an example to break even....and that may be low.

I'm including all electric use for 12 months and the bitmain PSU and shipping etc at the current $2040 rate.

Again, this is off the cuff and I used the www.litecoinpool/calc for ease of use at 101% and no fee.

Likely, you would do 10-15% better on a multipool like Nicehash or Prohashing

So LTC needs to pump to $90 to $100 bucks or my KNC Titans may finally be 'doorstops' with the L3's soon after.

Feel free to correct me, if I'm being too optimistic or pessimistic on this. This is a 'seat of the pants' calc and guess.


Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...
curious to see what bitmain, can and hopefully some new entrants will have available early '18! maybe they can squeeze 25TH/s from an S11, and a few GHz of scrypt from an L5...

I can't even imagine Bitmain releasing an L5 with even more hashing power than the L3+. It would be a bloodbath, lol. They'll need to upgrade their servers again Smiley


Bitmain could release an L5+ or whatever. But again, imho, it would be to get better equip to their data hall first (3 months to us say) and
also for their hashnet of pow/scrypt and of course their bet that this would make sense also on a $90 to $100 buck LTC or equiv scrypt pow price.

But as a consumer product as the only consideration, they can just continue to run these out like toasters (S9 Bitmain BTC miner) and adjust price

up/down/sideways as prudent. Myself, I expect them to sell L3+'s into middle of 2018, at reduced prices sure....but they now control 80% or more, of all

ASIC manufacturing for sha-256 (BTC) scrypt-pow (LTC and majority of altcoins) and now x11 (dash)

so the question becomes, they have a 'captive audience' for mining equipment ..so why push new equipment, when the only alternative is the market

the share of 'old designs' you control?

anyway, I know zip.....just saying....



Excellent observations. In addition, the technology leaps are bumping against a wall. The improvement from 16nm to 10 nm is nowhere near as impactful as 28nm to 16nm. Then 10nm to 7 nm even lesser still. Not to mention that there are many other major "chip players" ( eg; mobile phones) who will be in line for new inventory LONG before Bitmain's ASIC production. The pending demise of these miners may be greatly overstated.

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October 16, 2017, 02:36:19 PM
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Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...
The S7 is 30% of the hashing rate and efficiency of the S9 and they are not "obsolete". The move from 16nm to 10nm will not be near as dramatic as the leap from the S7 to the S9. None of these miners will be "obsolete" in the next 2-3 years. Unless you pay too much for a Kw.

You only live once....if you do it right, once is enough.

 Excellent FAQ for Lightning Network https://medium.com/@AudunGulbrands1/lightning-faq-67bd2b957d70
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October 16, 2017, 03:00:57 PM
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Hello everyone !

I will receive 2 Antminer L3+ and 2 Antminer S9 very soon. I'm planning to put them all in the underground of my house, one per socket (220V).
2 of the Miners will be very near to a socket, but 2 others will have to be on a extension cable (4-5 meters).

What is better , putting the 4 Antminers on the 2 sockets that are near, with 2 strips ? Or better put the 2 extension cables and have 1 Antminer per socket and no strip?
Or are both options bad ideas , and I should rethink everything, and better put all the Miners with short cable and 1 per socket ?

Also, I'm thinking of a 1 to 4 Ethernet splitter to put all the ethernet in one, I guess there will be no problem with that.

If there is anything else I should be aware of , let me know please !

Thank you

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October 16, 2017, 03:10:42 PM
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Hello everyone !

I will receive 2 Antminer L3+ and 2 Antminer S9 very soon. I'm planning to put them all in the underground of my house, one per socket (220V).
2 of the Miners will be very near to a socket, but 2 others will have to be on a extension cable (4-5 meters).

What is better , putting the 4 Antminers on the 2 sockets that are near, with 2 strips ? Or better put the 2 extension cables and have 1 Antminer per socket and no strip?
Or are both options bad ideas , and I should rethink everything, and better put all the Miners with short cable and 1 per socket ?

Also, I'm thinking of a 1 to 4 Ethernet splitter to put all the ethernet in one, I guess there will be no problem with that.

If there is anything else I should be aware of , let me know please !

Thank you
When you say "socket" does that mean each "socket" is on it's own Breaker? Also, how many Amps are the breakers? 20, 30, 40??

Each breaker on 220v can be calculated;
20amps X 220 or 4400 watt capacity. Subtract 20% for safety margin. ( only run at 80% of breaker capacity ) or 3520 watts available per BREAKER.

S9 draws 1370 watts +/- 10% and 6.29 amps on a 220v feed
L3+ 800 watts and 3.63 amps.

Ethernet no worries.









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October 16, 2017, 03:43:47 PM
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Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...
The S7 is 30% of the hashing rate and efficiency of the S9 and they are not "obsolete". The move from 16nm to 10nm will not be near as dramatic as the leap from the S7 to the S9. None of these miners will be "obsolete" in the next 2-3 years. Unless you pay too much for a Kw.

Well yeah, technically you are correct and obsolete is a strong word. However I meant that L3s, when I got them were doing $50+ per day,
now they are at $17-19, and by Xmas it will probably be around $10, IF.

Don't get me wrong, even 3 years old A2 can earn some money today, BUT the pure number of devices being put in use will dramatically rise the diff,
we ain't seen the plugging in of October, November and December batches, and they were almost all sold out within a few mins.

But the tech part, maybe 16 nm to 10 nm isn't as dramatic, but cant they cram up more processors and call it a day?
Give us 2-3x the performance at the same price? Who knows...

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October 16, 2017, 03:53:36 PM
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Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...
The S7 is 30% of the hashing rate and efficiency of the S9 and they are not "obsolete". The move from 16nm to 10nm will not be near as dramatic as the leap from the S7 to the S9. None of these miners will be "obsolete" in the next 2-3 years. Unless you pay too much for a Kw.

Well yeah, technically you are correct and obsolete is a strong word. However I meant that L3s, when I got them were doing $50+ per day,
now they are at $17-19, and by Xmas it will probably be around $10, IF.

Don't get me wrong, even 3 years old A2 can earn some money today, BUT the pure number of devices being put in use will dramatically rise the diff,
we ain't seen the plugging in of October, November and December batches, and they were almost all sold out within a few mins.

But the tech part, maybe 16 nm to 10 nm isn't as dramatic, but cant they cram up more processors and call it a day?
Give us 2-3x the performance at the same price? Who knows...

Yup, no doubt. Let's face it. We all got very spoiled in the last 6 months. Just got to get back to reality now.

You only live once....if you do it right, once is enough.

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October 16, 2017, 06:29:44 PM
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So here is what the data center wanted to host my L3+'s:

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- 2 Rack / Cabinets--$250 Each / $500 Total MRC--$0.00 Installation Cost
- 3-30A/208V A&B Single Phase Power Circuits--$700 Each / $2,100 Total MRC--$0.00 Installation Cost
- 1-100M IP Circuit--$400 Total MRC / $0.00 Installation Cost

Lets see here, $3000 per month for them to host, or $1800 per month for me to rent a nice home including hosting for my miners by doing it myself.

Tough decision Cheesy
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October 16, 2017, 07:45:23 PM
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Are these numbers normal? Both l3+:
Machine 1
Accepted: 450
Rejected: 9
Hw errors: 31
Temp 48c

Machine 2:
Accepted : 642
Rejected : 16
Hw error: 18
Temp 46c


How can I improve this numbers?  I'm using nicehash (European), I'm in Europe Smiley
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October 16, 2017, 07:47:58 PM
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No one in the land is using Prohashing? I would like to have an update on the issues this pool was experiencing.  Is it consistent now?

Thank you,

I have only been mining with prohashing for about 12 days now and i only had one issue with the pool going dead last night or the night before..cant remember. Been good so far. Been averaging 20 to 22 a day if you consider that good...

What is your difficulty setting? or are you leaving it blank?
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October 16, 2017, 07:51:18 PM
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No one in the land is using Prohashing? I would like to have an update on the issues this pool was experiencing.  Is it consistent now?

Thank you,

I have only been mining with prohashing for about 12 days now and i only had one issue with the pool going dead last night or the night before..cant remember. Been good so far. Been averaging 20 to 22 a day if you consider that good...

What is your difficulty setting? or are you leaving it blank?
Just leave it blank, it auto-adjusts fine.

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October 16, 2017, 07:51:47 PM
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Are these numbers normal? Both l3+:
Machine 1
Accepted: 450
Rejected: 9
Hw errors: 31
Temp 48c

Machine 2:
Accepted : 642
Rejected : 16
Hw error: 18
Temp 46c


How can I improve this numbers?  I'm using nicehash (European), I'm in Europe Smiley
What is there to improve?
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October 16, 2017, 07:58:04 PM
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Are these numbers normal? Both l3+:
Machine 1
Accepted: 450
Rejected: 9
Hw errors: 31
Temp 48c

Machine 2:
Accepted : 642
Rejected : 16
Hw error: 18
Temp 46c


How can I improve this numbers?  I'm using nicehash (European), I'm in Europe Smiley
What is there to improve?



48 c Huh Im running at aroung 62c chip temp, is that too high ?
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