Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[Balthazar]

Some people would consider it as a living proof of the Bioweapons Engineer existence.

First, humans aren't able to create anything like that. Current level of science is far from fully understanding how this thing actually work and why it doesn't destroy itself.

Second, if you're thinking that HIV was developed as a bioweapon then you must consider that FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus, a cat-specific equivalent of HIV) was artificially created as well. But why would bioweapon engineers need to infect your pet? It's pointless.

[tvbcof]

Some people would consider it as a living proof of the Bioweapons Engineer existence.

First, humans aren't able to create anything like that. Current level of science is far from fully understanding how this thing actually work and why it doesn't destroy itself.

Second, if you're thinking that HIV was developed as a bioweapon then you must consider that FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus, a cat-specific equivalent of HIV) was artificially created as well. But why would bioweapon engineers need to infect your pet? It's pointless.

There is a reason why bioweapon research facilities such as Plum Island are almost always called 'animal disease centers'.  It's not just silly propaganda or a funny joke to the staff and faculty.  They really do study the fuck out of the diseases which often have been first identified in animal stock, and animals are used extensively in the research and production.  Weaponization involves figuring out how to get them to infect a target species (usually homo sapien) and selection of desirable parameters of the infection.  'gain of function.'

People have a mis-understanding that bioweapons always have a high lethality.  Very often such a thing would be a bug rather than a feature.  Plenty of weapons already fit that need.  Non-lethal bioweapons can have a much greater overall impact if they can be deployed over a broad target and over many years.  Subtle effects go undetected but have a huge overall impact.

It is also worth note that most leaderships (rightly) consider the biggest threat to their position to be the population they lead and expend a lot of the resources at their disposal in dealing with the threat.  Further, the population of ones own country is a much more exploitable source of wealth.  With the right kind of medical system, a modestly sick individual can still perform functions in the economy but can be milked by the medical/industrial complex for the rest of their life.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6gCqulCok

[Balthazar]

Some people would consider it as a living proof of the Bioweapons Engineer existence.

First, humans aren't able to create anything like that. Current level of science is far from fully understanding how this thing actually work and why it doesn't destroy itself.

Second, if you're thinking that HIV was developed as a bioweapon then you must consider that FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus, a cat-specific equivalent of HIV) was artificially created as well. But why would bioweapon engineers need to infect your pet? It's pointless.

There is a reason why bioweapon research facilities such as Plum Island are almost always called 'animal disease centers'.  It's not just silly propaganda or a funny joke to the staff and faculty.  They really do study the fuck out of the diseases which often have been first identified in animal stock, and animals are used extensively in the research and production.  Weaponization involves figuring out how to get them to infect a target species (usually homo sapien) and selection of desirable parameters of the infection.  'gain of function.'

People have a mis-understanding that bioweapons always have a high lethality.  Very often such a thing would be a bug rather than a feature.  Plenty of weapons already fit that need.  Non-lethal bioweapons can have a much greater overall impact if they can be deployed over a broad target and over many years.  Subtle effects go undetected but have a huge overall impact.

It is also worth note that most leaderships (rightly) consider the biggest threat to their position to be the population they lead and expend a lot of the resources at their disposal in dealing with the threat.  Further, the population of ones own country is a much more exploitable source of wealth.  With the right kind of medical system, a modestly sick individual can still perform functions in the economy but can be milked by the medical/industrial complex for the rest of their life.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6gCqulCok

Your hypothesis may seem logical but it lacks a factual evidence. Even if we would guess that all statements are correct then we still have alternative, i. e. natural selection. Which is better because of Occam's razor. And, unlike your hypothesis, this alternative may be proven be wrong so it does satisfy the Popper's criteria. That can't be said about your hypothesis of weaponization of some naturally occurring virus by the people who made a precious illusion of their stupidity.

[BADecker]

There is a reason why bioweapon research facilities such as Plum Island are almost always called 'animal disease centers'.  It's not just silly propaganda or a funny joke to the staff and faculty.  They really do study the fuck out of the diseases which often have been first identified in animal stock, and animals are used extensively in the research and production.  Weaponization involves figuring out how to get them to infect a target species (usually homo sapien) and selection of desirable parameters of the infection.  'gain of function.'

People have a mis-understanding that bioweapons always have a high lethality.  Very often such a thing would be a bug rather than a feature.  Plenty of weapons already fit that need.  Non-lethal bioweapons can have a much greater overall impact if they can be deployed over a broad target and over many years.  Subtle effects go undetected but have a huge overall impact.

It is also worth note that most leaderships (rightly) consider the biggest threat to their position to be the population they lead and expend a lot of the resources at their disposal in dealing with the threat.  Further, the population of ones own country is a much more exploitable source of wealth.  With the right kind of medical system, a modestly sick individual can still perform functions in the economy but can be milked by the medical/industrial complex for the rest of their life.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6gCqulCok

Your hypothesis may seem logical but it lacks a factual evidence. Even if we would guess that all statements are correct then we still have alternative, i. e. natural selection. Which is better because of Occam's razor. And, unlike your hypothesis, this alternative may be proven be wrong so it does satisfy the Popper's criteria. That can't be said about your hypothesis of weaponization of some naturally occurring virus by the people who made a precious illusion of their stupidity.

But when have any of us looked for factual evidence? All we all do is read info posted by others, and we don't even check them out to determine if they are trustworthy.

Natural healing has been around for thousands of years. Modern medical for only a few hundred. Yet millions flock to modern medicine even though its failures seem to be the standard way they work.

Personally, I think that medical popularity is based on the hundredth monkey effect, and that the hundredth monkey effect is based on universal consciousness. The Hundredth Monkey:

The Japanese monkey, Macaca Fuscata, had been observed in the wild for a period of over 30 years.

In 1952, on the island of Koshima, scientists were providing monkeys with sweet potatoes dropped in the sand. The monkey liked the taste of the raw sweet potatoes, but they found the dirt unpleasant.

An 18-month-old female named Imo found she could solve the problem by washing the potatoes in a nearby stream. She taught this trick to her mother. Her playmates also learned this new way and they taught their mothers too.

This cultural innovation was gradually picked up by various monkeys before the eyes of the scientists. Between 1952 and 1958 all the young monkeys learned to wash the sandy sweet potatoes to make them more palatable. Only the adults who imitated their children learned this social improvement. Other adults kept eating the dirty sweet potatoes.

Then something startling took place. In the autumn of 1958, a certain number of Koshima monkeys were washing sweet potatoes -- the exact number is not known. Let us suppose that when the sun rose one morning there were 99 monkeys on Koshima Island who had learned to wash their sweet potatoes. Let's further suppose that later that morning, the hundredth monkey learned to wash potatoes.

THEN IT HAPPENED!

By that evening almost everyone in the tribe was washing sweet potatoes before eating them. The added energy of this hundredth monkey somehow created an ideological breakthrough!

But notice: A most surprising thing observed by these scientists was that the habit of washing sweet potatoes then jumped over the sea...Colonies of monkeys on other islands and the mainland troop of monkeys at Takasakiyama began washing their sweet potatoes.

Thus, when a certain critical number achieves an awareness, this new awareness may be communicated from mind to mind.

Although the exact number may vary, this Hundredth Monkey Phenomenon means that when only a limited number of people know of a new way, it may remain the conscious property of these people.

But there is a point at which if only one more person tunes-in to a new awareness, a field is strengthened so that this awareness is picked up by almost everyone!

From the book "The Hundredth Monkey" by Ken Keyes, Jr.
The book is not copyrighted and the material may be reproduced in whole or in part.

Read the whole book.

[WHTP]

The way that is presented, "Never been done before, the first of it's kind, just so does not sound scientific. Sounds like it was a very flawed study with no proper controls. For example limiting it to home schooled children for the unvaxinated group, and more than likely public school children for the vaccinated. That alone makes the study invalid.

[tvbcof]

Middle of last year, strong forced vaccination laws came to China:

  https://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/china-vaccine-law-passed/

Currently what is meant by a vaccine 'working' is that it induces antibody production.  It does NOT mean that the recipient has a lowered chance of a negative outcome.  There was strong evidence that although SARS vaccine did increase antibody readings, it ALSO caused the recipient to have a more severe reaction upon re-challenge and it led to deaths in animals in trials.  Never was a SARS vaccine (partly for this reason) so the problem had to go away naturally (and it did.)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mTa5nOtHFE

Some speculate that using the new laws, the Chinese government tried out some vaccine studies on the ordinary peeps without their knowledge.  Further, it is these test subjects who are dropping like flies and being rounded up under extreme duress.

If this is true, it could partially explain the sudden intense censorship in the West since it would compromise forced vaccination plans here.

Lots of us are watching with interest if the high mortality rates and specific nature of the way people die continues uniformly as 2019-nCoV spreads outside of China.  That observation, and the way it is explained by whom, will be valuable input for analysis.

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Just noticed this:
From: https://jameslyonsweiler.com/2020/02/12/clear-evidence-it-is-not-a-bioweapon-so-whats-all-this-about-ace2-and-ncov-2019-covid-2019/

...It is likey that B-coronaviruses have been infecting humans for tens if not hundreds of thousands of millenia.

So what’s different in 2019? On Dec 1, a new national vaccine law went into effect. “China is to implement a state immunization program, and residents living within the territory of China are legally obligated to be vaccinated with immunization program vaccines, which are provided by the government free of charge. Local governments and parents or other guardians of children must ensure that children be vaccinated with the immunization program vaccines (art. 6).”

The first reported case of COVID19?

December 1, 2019.

[BADecker]

^^^ So it's the result of getting inoculated against the CV, that is the reason why people are dying in China!

[tvbcof]

^^^ So it's the result of getting inoculated against the CV, that is the reason why people are dying in China!

Not exactly.  Depends on what you mean by CV.  The often-stated reason for engineering custom CoronaVirus is to find one that you can inject into people which will not cause to much obvious harm right away, but will induce some people to develop an immunity against known ailments*.  If the harm they may cause can be blamed on something else (e.g., eating bats) then that will work.

(*)(Ailments which the Joe Public has been propaganized into thinking are worse than the bubonic plague, ebola, and MERSA all rolled into one.  You know; measles, chicken pox, etc.)

But yes.  The hypothesis is that something they started injecting as soon as they could by law is ultimately causing a crisis.  That's the hypothesis.  And having the cases of 'novel coronavirus' start to the day from when the mandatory vaccination laws took effect is a bit to big of a coincidence to completely ignore.  At least it is to me.

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How about this:  Double-agent (or duped) Chinese nationals working in BL4 labs in Canada stole what they thought was one coronavirus developed for vaccines but was actually another.  Or the thing they stole was supposed to do one thing which they were fed bogus info about but it caused harm on a much wider scale then they know.

China then uses the stolen substance to make giant batches of vaccine knowing that come 1-Dec-2019 the law would go into effect saying that they can give it to whoever they want with no questions asked.  They probably barely checked test batches that they were cooking up and stockpiling.  And when they did and found a possible problem, whoever found it would likely cover it up since the leadership wanted a certain result.

In the mean time China works their asses off deploying 5G so they can analyze the vaccinated test subject down to monitoring their snoring as they sleep.  With this IOT technology the whole city becomes a lab (and prison) with capabilities that ordinary labs could only dream of.

1-Dec-2019 rolls around and the go order was issued to start dosing people up.  Later that day the first victims start to trickle in, but there is an informal (if not a formal) understanding that the vaccine program is not to be questioned.  Finally after {n} weeks it is to obvious that the vaccine program is the culprit, the injections stop, and full-on cover-up goes into high gear.

The 'spys' working in the West are 'arrested (mostly to protect them if they are double agents.)  the 'eating bats' story is widely circulated on social media.  Mainstream media goes into high gear with a lot of nonsense and big tech goes into high gear to censor everything but the official story and certified supporting material.

[tvbcof]

On the same track as ^^^:

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/07/article/china-adopts-tough-vaccine-safety-law/

Seems that the government in China has taken a strong interest in vaccine quality all of a sudden.  I'm sure it's unrelated to the unrelated 'bat soup' coronavirus thnigy which is entirely unrelated because it is an unrelated thing with no relationship to the vaccines.

It's nice that The 'bat soup' coronavirus has been brought under control so that the Chinese government can move on a focus on unrelated things.

Wonder how 'ex post facto' works under Chinese law?

Edit:  My bad.  Not a brand new story.  Looks like it is fallout from an older vaccine scandal which happened about a year ago.

[tvbcof]

On the same track as ^^^

Coming soon to a mainstream media theater near you:

"Dangerous Anti-vaxxers Sabotage China's Benevolent Govt Mandated Vaccination Campaign.  Thousands Die!"

Disgraced former doctor Andrew Wakefield is though to be the mastermind behind a fiendish plot which contaminated China's vaccine stockpiles. ...
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[tvbcof]

I've found a very good and quite watchable run-down of immunology in this play-list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LArxUakFsFs&list=PLTF9h-T1TcJj4AOPCxGxOUTH0IVmaH7_8

Anyone who has the basic background and interest in science should watch it.

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After watching the above, consider this with respect to vaccines:  A 'successful' product is one which can be put on the market.  That means one which make the blood contain particular antibodies.  Not much else is very important, and most other things (like long-term immune system performance problems and autoimmunity) can be fairly easily swept under the carpet.  I strongly feel that they are.

It is 'unethical' to test a vaccine to see if it keeps people from getting sick from a specific cause (though it probably happens fairly often in third-world countries or other environments which are for, various reasons, effectively out of certain jurisdictions.)  The 'titer test' is considered a valid proxy.

With the above linked understanding of the various aspects of immunity one can imagine that there are various tricks and gimicks that can be done to achieve a higher antibody count.  One can also readily see that pulling these stunts can have a terrible effect on the immune system as a whole and cause it to get totally wigged out and perform quite poorly.

The very last video about the genesis of T-cells, the thalamus, childhood, and self-recognition should be anyone pause about hitting people so hard with vaccines in their formative years.  It easily could explain the explosion of autoimmune issues and generally poor immune system performance in the vaxxed vs. unvaxxed study.

[NoobRichard]

Well, even though it is the norm to vaccinate every born child in the modern world, we all know that it is against the rules of mother nature and we shouldn't be surprised with this result.

[tvbcof]

Badecker posted something about the WHO meeting a while ago.  I just noticed that Del Bigtree did a whole show on it that I somehow missed.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1xey8zlyQo

WHO admits all kinds of stuff such as:

 - _already_ engineered a world where natural immunity is replace by artificial immunity run by technocrats.  And it isn't working for shit and probably will only get worse in the future as 200 more vaccines are rolled out.

 - individual doctors are starting to lose confidence in a big way.

 - individual doctors have 1/2 a DAY of study on vaccine science in 8 years of med school and don't know shit about it.

 - individual doctors are being 'flipped' by their patients who often know a lot more than they do and ask questions for which there are no answers.

 - safety studies are woefully lacking (and all the mainstream media assurtions to the contrary are bullshit propaganda.)

 - new vaccines, if they have to use adjuvants at all, should use ancient ones because they at least have the lame excuse that the adjuvants have a history (even if it is a crappy one.)

 - and on and on and on.

[tvbcof]

I think that vaccination is very important. I don't get people who say it is bad, it does not make any sense...

If _you_ don't see any problems with vaccines and how they are used currently, then by all means roll up your sleeve.

Very few of us on the 'anti-vax' side are going to do anything more than to bring up information for people to use to make their own choices even if your choice to damage yourself and your family will cost me money and very likely will topple our country eventually when 1/2 of the peeps are turned into drooling head-banging diaper-wearing idiots.

Certainly we so-called 'anti-vaxxers' are not advocating for forced mandatory non-vaccination.  That's the main differentiating feature between the two sides.

[Jet Cash]

Mandatory vaccination is an admission that they don't work

[BADecker]

Back in April, when the Covid death spike was the highest among the elderly, there was an age group that was actually going down in deaths. This age group was the infants under 1-y-o.

The area where their deaths was reducing was Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). It seems that there are a certain number of babies who simply die for no determinable reason at all - SIDS. But the death rate went down during the spike in Covid deaths among the elderly. Why?

This was during some of the first major lockdowns, when nobody was going to the clinics and hospitals for any reason. These babies were missing out on many of their normally scheduled vaccination shots. And they lived because of it.

What does that tell you about vaccines.

[Elwar]

Back in April, when the Covid death spike was the highest among the elderly, there was an age group that was actually going down in deaths. This age group was the infants under 1-y-o.

The area where their deaths was reducing was Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). It seems that there are a certain number of babies who simply die for no determinable reason at all - SIDS. But the death rate went down during the spike in Covid deaths among the elderly. Why?

This was during some of the first major lockdowns, when nobody was going to the clinics and hospitals for any reason. These babies were missing out on many of their normally scheduled vaccination shots. And they lived because of it.

What does that tell you about vaccines.

Kids not dying of SIDS while elderly are dying.

The only logical conclusion...elderly are sucking the life out of babies to live.

[BADecker]

Back in April, when the Covid death spike was the highest among the elderly, there was an age group that was actually going down in deaths. This age group was the infants under 1-y-o.

The area where their deaths was reducing was Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). It seems that there are a certain number of babies who simply die for no determinable reason at all - SIDS. But the death rate went down during the spike in Covid deaths among the elderly. Why?

This was during some of the first major lockdowns, when nobody was going to the clinics and hospitals for any reason. These babies were missing out on many of their normally scheduled vaccination shots. And they lived because of it.

What does that tell you about vaccines.

Kids not dying of SIDS while elderly are dying.

The only logical conclusion...elderly are sucking the life out of babies to live.

That's vaccines, not vampires. Lol.

[xen1oph]

If we are talking about the usual routine vaccination of children, then this cannot be done. Because vaccinations kill a child's immunity. Hasn't nature provided for this only for man? Animals in the forest do not need vaccinations, they do not get sick at all (including cancer, obesity, cardiovascular diseases, etc.). Although the pets that we feed with unnatural boiled food also get sick just like people. This I mean that you do not have to invent anything, you need to observe nature and everything will be fine.  Vaccinations contain mercury, aluminum, and more. These are the strongest human carcinogens. There is no real research to prove that vaccines are safe, they just haven't been done.

[tvbcof]

Back in April, when the Covid death spike was the highest among the elderly, there was an age group that was actually going down in deaths. This age group was the infants under 1-y-o.

The area where their deaths was reducing was Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). It seems that there are a certain number of babies who simply die for no determinable reason at all - SIDS. But the death rate went down during the spike in Covid deaths among the elderly. Why?

This was during some of the first major lockdowns, when nobody was going to the clinics and hospitals for any reason. These babies were missing out on many of their normally scheduled vaccination shots. And they lived because of it.

What does that tell you about vaccines.

Kids not dying of SIDS while elderly are dying.

The only logical conclusion...elderly are sucking the life out of babies to live.

That's vaccines, not vampires. Lol.

Actually, this aspect of things really is worth considering:

 - It is a known fact that people like Trump buddy Peter Theil are really into the health effects of 'young blood'.

 - It is a known fact that there is a great deal of interest at this moment in harvesting the blood of people who are supposed to have had 'covid-19' and injecting it into other people for the supposed beneficial effect of 'antibodies'.

 - It is a know fact that the end result of the designer DNA/RNA which the new 'vaccines' contain is to re-program the victim's cells to produce selected antigens, then have the victim's immune system produce antibodies for these antigens.

 - It seems like the framework is being set up to individualize the 'vaccine' which people get and track things in a fine grained manner.  This would allow identification of individuals who are producing a particular set of antibodies.

 - It is know that slimeball like the #2 guy at WHO, who used to work for Bill and Malinda Gates prior to his current role and looks/acts like a classic pedo-creeper, as well as the guy in Ventura, and talking more and more about removing individuals from their homes if it is said that a family member might be a carrier of the dreaded kobe wirus.

A hypothesis which really should be entertained is whether the peeps are being set up to be the cattle in what is very very close to a herd milking operation where the 'milk' is something that the elite want for whatever purposes they might have.  The chances of us plebs knowing what the designer DNA/RNA which we are supposed to be injected with actually does are zero even if the thing was not being rolled out a 'warp speed' by psychos.