Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[bluefirecorp_]

Uneducated morons like you, spreading your unfounded and unscientific fear, are causing pertussis cases to raise again. It won't be long before we see a nation-wide epidemic of at least one completely preventable disease.

80,000 US deaths due to flu last year thanks to lame brain anti-vaxers ;(

Worst year in decades.

[BADecker]

LOL! You jokers and your fake statistics just to keep on making money for Big Pharma.

[Astargath]

LOL! You jokers and your fake statistics just to keep on making money for Big Pharma.

Resorting to that now huh? You just gonna call fake statistics, you kind of sound like notbatman now, desperately trying to prove your point, you can't accept it, can you?

[BADecker]

LOL! You jokers and your fake statistics just to keep on making money for Big Pharma.

Resorting to that now huh? You just gonna call fake statistics, you kind of sound like notbatman now, desperately trying to prove your point, you can't accept it, can you?

Yep. You are getting more and more like notbatman everyday.

[tvbcof]

It is now known that some children have a physiology which makes them unable to tollerate the strain of the increasing rate of vaccine injection due to mitocondrial differences in the nervious systems.

This just isn't true. Provide a single peer-reviewed article published in a reputable journal to back up this ridiculous claim. And none of your ramblings change the fact that lumbar punctures were not indicated.

How much was awarded in the Hannah Polling case?  For what?  Answer: millions of dollars because the girl's system could not tolerate the strain of multiple vaccinations and she was became mentally impaired because of the damage.

Vaccine court records are sealed so people don't find out the truth, and so that they can deprive other damaged people (esp, the poor ones who cannot afford the legal bills) of the compensation due, and so 'doctors' can continue to deny what is ever more obvious as millions and millions of kids are damaged.

When a journal is automatically non-reputable if they publish anything questioning the corp/gov party line on vaccines then it is absurd to claim that there is no published evidence.  Any fool can see that which is why there are a growing number of what you call 'anti-vaxxers'.

As noted in Wakefield's defence to the rather obvious charade, he was not 'paid 55k' for this work.

So your defence is "he said he didn't"? Nice.

Wakefield's information seemed credible to me.  Certainly more that Brian Deers' who is a poster-child for a pharma hired hitman journelist who has been caught in a variety of outright lies in his work on Wakefield.  It's this sort of lie which made the high court admonish the lower court for malfeasance when they ruled against the research team I'll bet.

Also as noted, it was is partner Walker-Smith under who's supervision the testing took place, and he had clear ethical clearance to do the work.

That's not how medical studies work, like, even a little. You have to gain ethics approval from a specific medical ethics board, not just another doctor you are working with. This approval was not secured.

Again, the man was found innocent and his medical license was given back.

Interestingly, the people who did NOT bring the law suite and had nothing but good things to say were the actually families (with the kids who were supposedly so abused.)  Perhaps they appreciated some people in the health care industry who would actually listen to them and try to help them.

Gathering samples from within the blood-brain barrier is a standard way of understanding what has passed through said barrier and the physiology within.  'Doctor' (chuckle).

A lumbar puncture doesn't "gather samples from within the blood-brain barrier". The blood-brain barrier is entirely within the skull - you know, where the brain is. The only way to gather samples from within it is a brain biopsy. This is super basic stuff.

My mistake.  I can misspeak sometimes and I'm not afraid to admit it.  I meant cerebral spinal fluid.  As I mentioned before, I know for a fact that fluid is draw from the spinal column in order to investigate anomalies in the brain.

I'm not a doctor or a scientist, but if I suspected cellular metabolic anomalies in neurons causing cognitive deficits, I would be highly interested in any technique which could help look.  Sugar related artifacts would be high up there on my list of intrests.

I would also note that it would be a pretty shitty doctor, not to mention researcher, who got a dozen very similar cases involving specific gut problems simultaneous with neurological regressions (reported) and did NOT perk up there ears and try to look around for answers to the riddle.

Of course upon hearing that the MMR shot preceded the appearance of these fairly extreme symptoms most doctors and researchers will run the other way because they want to keep their careers.  That's exactly what happened.  Only a few pig-headed doctors would touch it, and they paid the price.

All for now.  Other duties intervene...

[BADecker]

UN Admits Latest Outbreak of Polio in Syria Was Caused by the Polio Vaccine

Vaccines make children sick, you don't say?

As World Health Organization representative Elizabeth Hoff reports,

"As of 18 August 2017, 33 children under the age of five have been paralyzed. The detection of the circulating vaccine derived polio virus type 2 (cVDPV2) cases demonstrates that disease surveillance systems are functional in Syria. Our priority now is to achieve the highest possible polio immunization coverage to stop the circulation of virus."
 


Thirty-three children paralyzed by the vaccine that was supposed to protect them — and the UN's response is to just keep doling out more vaccines? Sadly, that's par for the course. Obviously, bad medicine is never the problem — there's just not enough bad medicine, that's all.

Fran Equiza, a UNICEF representative commented, "No child should have to live with devastating effects of polio." And yet, this is the second outbreak of polio to strike Syria since the conflict first took roots in 2011.

Earlier this summer, NPR reported on this very phenomenon, wherein mutant strains from the polio vaccine caused more paralysis than wild polio. Could it really be that a lab-altered version of a virus is more dangerous than the one found in nature? Absolutely.

As Jason Beaubien reports, as of June 2017, there were more cases of child paralysis caused by the polio vaccine than the actual, wild-caught disease itself. At the time of his reporting, just six cases of "wild" polio, which is naturally occurring in the environment, had been reported worldwide.

Read more at http://humansarefree.com/2018/10/un-admits-latest-outbreak-of-polio-in.html?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

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At the time of his reporting, just six cases of "wild" polio, which is naturally occurring in the environment, had been reported worldwide.

Only 6! Down from half a million! Glad to see you finally agree that vaccines work!

[BADecker]

At the time of his reporting, just six cases of "wild" polio, which is naturally occurring in the environment, had been reported worldwide.

Only 6! Down from half a million! Glad to see you finally agree that vaccines work!

Not from vaccines. Even polio runs its course after a while. When you read the article, you will see while there were only the 6 reported naturally, there were 21 reported from the vaccine - http://humansarefree.com/2018/10/un-admits-latest-outbreak-of-polio-in.html?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

[Astargath]

At the time of his reporting, just six cases of "wild" polio, which is naturally occurring in the environment, had been reported worldwide.

Only 6! Down from half a million! Glad to see you finally agree that vaccines work!

Not from vaccines. Even polio runs its course after a while. When you read the article, you will see while there were only the 6 reported naturally, there were 21 reported from the vaccine - http://humansarefree.com/2018/10/un-admits-latest-outbreak-of-polio-in.html?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

The article simply says that vaccines caused a few cases of paralysis as side effects and “from a public health perspective, the benefits far outweigh the risk.” Meaning that even though there might be cases of paralysis, if vaccines weren't introduced at all, there would be far more cases of paralysis and polio. I don't think you really understood the article.

[BADecker]

At the time of his reporting, just six cases of "wild" polio, which is naturally occurring in the environment, had been reported worldwide.

Only 6! Down from half a million! Glad to see you finally agree that vaccines work!

Not from vaccines. Even polio runs its course after a while. When you read the article, you will see while there were only the 6 reported naturally, there were 21 reported from the vaccine - http://humansarefree.com/2018/10/un-admits-latest-outbreak-of-polio-in.html?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

The article simply says that vaccines caused a few cases of paralysis as side effects and “from a public health perspective, the benefits far outweigh the risk.” Meaning that even though there might be cases of paralysis, if vaccines weren't introduced at all, there would be far more cases of paralysis and polio. I don't think you really understood the article.

The article isn't detailed in every direction. In addition, it would take millions of man-hours to document all the damage that the vaccine does. The fact that it produces any cases of the thing that it is attempting to destroy, shows that there are flaws in it that should cause it to be "taken off the market" and not used... immediately. We don't even know all of the other adverse effects it produces... like more ADHD and autism.

[Astargath]

At the time of his reporting, just six cases of "wild" polio, which is naturally occurring in the environment, had been reported worldwide.

Only 6! Down from half a million! Glad to see you finally agree that vaccines work!

Not from vaccines. Even polio runs its course after a while. When you read the article, you will see while there were only the 6 reported naturally, there were 21 reported from the vaccine - http://humansarefree.com/2018/10/un-admits-latest-outbreak-of-polio-in.html?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=socialnetwork

The article simply says that vaccines caused a few cases of paralysis as side effects and “from a public health perspective, the benefits far outweigh the risk.” Meaning that even though there might be cases of paralysis, if vaccines weren't introduced at all, there would be far more cases of paralysis and polio. I don't think you really understood the article.

The article isn't detailed in every direction. In addition, it would take millions of man-hours to document all the damage that the vaccine does. The fact that it produces any cases of the thing that it is attempting to destroy, shows that there are flaws in it that should cause it to be "taken off the market" and not used... immediately. We don't even know all of the other adverse effects it produces... like more ADHD and autism.

You linked the article supposedly because it proves vaccines are bad when in fact the article clearly says vaccines got rid of polio, now you are backpedaling.

''The fact that it produces any cases of the thing that it is attempting to destroy, shows that there are flaws'' No that only shows your ignorance. Do you even know how drugs work? Everything has side effects, paracetamol too. All drugs are harmful but the benefits outweighs the risks. I have dermatitis and I have to use creams to get rid of it, guess what the side effects are, more dermatitis. Guess something else, it fucking works, it gets rid of my dermatitis. You really need to research way waaaaaaaaay more dude.

There are 2 options:

1. Use a vaccine that has side effects that can be really bad but you get rid of 99.9% of the disease

2. Don't use vaccines and leave the disease to spread even more and kill millions

You think somehow 1 is worse because vaccines have side effects and are not miracles, perhaps your god shouldn't have allowed polio and other diseases to exist.

Get a grip.

[BADecker]

The article isn't detailed in every direction. In addition, it would take millions of man-hours to document all the damage that the vaccine does. The fact that it produces any cases of the thing that it is attempting to destroy, shows that there are flaws in it that should cause it to be "taken off the market" and not used... immediately. We don't even know all of the other adverse effects it produces... like more ADHD and autism.

You linked the article supposedly because it proves vaccines are bad when in fact the article clearly says vaccines got rid of polio, now you are backpedaling.

''The fact that it produces any cases of the thing that it is attempting to destroy, shows that there are flaws'' No that only shows your ignorance. Do you even know how drugs work? Everything has side effects, paracetamol too. All drugs are harmful but the benefits outweighs the risks. I have dermatitis and I have to use creams to get rid of it, guess what the side effects are, more dermatitis. Guess something else, it fucking works, it gets rid of my dermatitis. You really need to research way waaaaaaaaay more dude.

There are 2 options:

1. Use a vaccine that has side effects that can be really bad but you get rid of 99.9% of the disease

2. Don't use vaccines and leave the disease to spread even more and kill millions

You think somehow 1 is worse because vaccines have side effects and are not miracles, perhaps your god shouldn't have allowed polio and other diseases to exist.

Get a grip.

Not at all - backpedaling. The article says two things about the vaccine. It says that it got rid of polio, and it says it caused polio. And it says that it caused polio more than 3 times as much as natural cause did.

So, how do we really know that the vaccine did any good? They had to admit the bad stuff. It was evident. And natural bad stuff was way less. So, what they are saying is that the vaccine was way worse than natural cause, but still supporting the company line (because they have to) that it got rid of polio. It says it right in front of your face, but you still want to ignore it.

The thing that it doesn't say is the other bad things that the vaccine did. We can see from the medicals's own reports that vaccines do bad things, and that they contain "stuff" in them that is dangerous and harmful.

Why don't you start thinking and stop being deceptive, sometime.

[Astargath]

The article isn't detailed in every direction. In addition, it would take millions of man-hours to document all the damage that the vaccine does. The fact that it produces any cases of the thing that it is attempting to destroy, shows that there are flaws in it that should cause it to be "taken off the market" and not used... immediately. We don't even know all of the other adverse effects it produces... like more ADHD and autism.

You linked the article supposedly because it proves vaccines are bad when in fact the article clearly says vaccines got rid of polio, now you are backpedaling.

''The fact that it produces any cases of the thing that it is attempting to destroy, shows that there are flaws'' No that only shows your ignorance. Do you even know how drugs work? Everything has side effects, paracetamol too. All drugs are harmful but the benefits outweighs the risks. I have dermatitis and I have to use creams to get rid of it, guess what the side effects are, more dermatitis. Guess something else, it fucking works, it gets rid of my dermatitis. You really need to research way waaaaaaaaay more dude.

There are 2 options:

1. Use a vaccine that has side effects that can be really bad but you get rid of 99.9% of the disease

2. Don't use vaccines and leave the disease to spread even more and kill millions

You think somehow 1 is worse because vaccines have side effects and are not miracles, perhaps your god shouldn't have allowed polio and other diseases to exist.

Get a grip.

Not at all - backpedaling. The article says two things about the vaccine. It says that it got rid of polio, and it says it caused polio. And it says that it caused polio more than 3 times as much as natural cause did.

So, how do we really know that the vaccine did any good? They had to admit the bad stuff. It was evident. And natural bad stuff was way less. So, what they are saying is that the vaccine was way worse than natural cause, but still supporting the company line (because they have to) that it got rid of polio. It says it right in front of your face, but you still want to ignore it.

The thing that it doesn't say is the other bad things that the vaccine did. We can see from the medicals's own reports that vaccines do bad things, and that they contain "stuff" in them that is dangerous and harmful.

Why don't you start thinking and stop being deceptive, sometime.

I pray to god to stop it everyday but he doesn't do it, I don't know why T_T PLEASE GOD STOP THESE EVIL PEOPLE!! PRAY WITH ME BADECKER, GOD IS ALL POWERFUL!

I have been vaccinated many times, I'm perfectly healthy, check mate badecker.

[BADecker]

The article isn't detailed in every direction. In addition, it would take millions of man-hours to document all the damage that the vaccine does. The fact that it produces any cases of the thing that it is attempting to destroy, shows that there are flaws in it that should cause it to be "taken off the market" and not used... immediately. We don't even know all of the other adverse effects it produces... like more ADHD and autism.

You linked the article supposedly because it proves vaccines are bad when in fact the article clearly says vaccines got rid of polio, now you are backpedaling.

''The fact that it produces any cases of the thing that it is attempting to destroy, shows that there are flaws'' No that only shows your ignorance. Do you even know how drugs work? Everything has side effects, paracetamol too. All drugs are harmful but the benefits outweighs the risks. I have dermatitis and I have to use creams to get rid of it, guess what the side effects are, more dermatitis. Guess something else, it fucking works, it gets rid of my dermatitis. You really need to research way waaaaaaaaay more dude.

There are 2 options:

1. Use a vaccine that has side effects that can be really bad but you get rid of 99.9% of the disease

2. Don't use vaccines and leave the disease to spread even more and kill millions

You think somehow 1 is worse because vaccines have side effects and are not miracles, perhaps your god shouldn't have allowed polio and other diseases to exist.

Get a grip.

Not at all - backpedaling. The article says two things about the vaccine. It says that it got rid of polio, and it says it caused polio. And it says that it caused polio more than 3 times as much as natural cause did.

So, how do we really know that the vaccine did any good? They had to admit the bad stuff. It was evident. And natural bad stuff was way less. So, what they are saying is that the vaccine was way worse than natural cause, but still supporting the company line (because they have to) that it got rid of polio. It says it right in front of your face, but you still want to ignore it.

The thing that it doesn't say is the other bad things that the vaccine did. We can see from the medicals's own reports that vaccines do bad things, and that they contain "stuff" in them that is dangerous and harmful.

Why don't you start thinking and stop being deceptive, sometime.

I pray to god to stop it everyday but he doesn't do it, I don't know why T_T PLEASE GOD STOP THESE EVIL PEOPLE!! PRAY WITH ME BADECKER, GOD IS ALL POWERFUL!

I have been vaccinated many times, I'm perfectly healthy, check mate badecker.

God doesn't listen to prayers from unbelievers. It's as though they weren't praying.

God stops diseases. He will stop them all at the judgment day. Those he doesn't stop during a life-time, He will stop at death.

Praise God for your health, that He is giving you the chance to repent and believe Him. And pray that He continues to give you good health. After all, you don't know what wil happen tomorrow or the next day.

[BADecker]

Dr. Brian Hooker debunks the myth that vaccines are "safe" for pregnant women

Despite the claims of safety, Dr. Brian Hooker is speaking out about the fraudulent science being used to promote the vaccine agenda. According to Dr. Hooker, a past study held by up the industry as "evidence" that it is safe to inoculate pregnant women is actually nothing more than a farce, and is another piece of vaccine propaganda put out by Big Pharma and their lackeys. The tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis (Tdap) vaccine has been recommended for pregnant women since 2012, but it turns out the alleged evidence of safety is woefully lacking.

In a video interview recently published on REAL.video, Dr. Hooker totally debunks the pharmaceutical industry's claims of safety on The Robert Scott Bell Show with Dr. Robert Scott Bell.

Debunking vaccine industry lies

The study in question, a CDC study named, "Increasing Exposure to Antibody-Stimulating Proteins and Polysaccharides in Vaccines Is Not Associated with Risk of Autism" by Destefano et al, was published in 2013 by the journal Pediatrics. As is typical of the vaccine industry, however, it turns out this research was heavily manipulated. It's almost as if they decided on what the outcome would be, before the study was done.

Tdap Study Claims of NO Autism Risk DEBUNKED by Brian Hooker PhD.

https://www.real.video/5827944734001


Read more at https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-10-02-hooker-debunks-myth-vaccines-safe-pregnant-women.html.

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Compared 261 unvaccinated children with  405 partially or fully vaccinated children

What outcome are you expecting from this comparison?

666 homeschooled six to 12-year-olds from four American states

Yeah. I really believe you can generalize something from such a diverse and huge population. (sarcasm)
A thing to remember is there are really serious and life threatening diseases that can be prevented by vaccination, like, diptheria, pertussis, tetanus. While the side effects mentioned are multi-factorial, I guess you can't blame solely on vaccine. Our ancestors have lived and grown up healthy receiving these vaccinations you know. For me, I don't believe in these anti vaccination agenda.

[Astargath]

Compared 261 unvaccinated children with  405 partially or fully vaccinated children

What outcome are you expecting from this comparison?

666 homeschooled six to 12-year-olds from four American states

Yeah. I really believe you can generalize something from such a diverse and huge population. (sarcasm)
A thing to remember is there are really serious and life threatening diseases that can be prevented by vaccination, like, diptheria, pertussis, tetanus. While the side effects mentioned are multi-factorial, I guess you can't blame solely on vaccine. Our ancestors have lived and grown up healthy receiving these vaccinations you know. For me, I don't believe in these anti vaccination agenda.

As I said, all drugs have side effects, it's what it is. Unfortunately we can't make better drugs right now. However you would still take anything your doctor prescribes you, especially if you were going to die anyways. Like if I have a deadly disease I would take any drug, who cares about side effects if I'm going to die. That's reality. I think badecker wants a perfect and magic world where everything works perfectly. If it doesn't, it must be the government screwing with us.

[a.ramanta]

The trouble with doing a vaccinated vs. unvaccinated study a century or so after it should have been done is that virtually all American children are vaccinated today. When 95 percent of children get injections, there are few ‘controls’ left for studying long-term outcomes. Comparing American children at large to small pockets of unvaccinated children like those in the Amish community is revealing, but critics say they are comparing apples to oranges. There are too many other variables -- diet, fresh air, computer time, for example – that might explain differences in health besides vaccination status.

[BADecker]

Here you go. Even the U.N. is agreeing that polio was started by the polio vaccine.

UN Admits Latest Outbreak of Polio in Syria Was Caused by the Polio Vaccine


"Earlier this summer, NPR reported on this very phenomenon, wherein mutant strains from the polio vaccine caused more paralysis than wild polio. Could it really be that a lab-altered version of a virus is more dangerous than the one found in nature? Absolutely. As Jason Beaubien reports, as of June 2017, there were more cases of child paralysis caused by the polio vaccine than the actual, wild-caught disease itself. At the time of his reporting, just six cases of 'wild' polio, which is naturally occurring in the environment, had been reported worldwide."


Read more at https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2018/10/un-admits-latest-outbreak-of-polio-in.html.

[Astargath]

Here you go. Even the U.N. is agreeing that polio was started by the polio vaccine.

UN Admits Latest Outbreak of Polio in Syria Was Caused by the Polio Vaccine


"Earlier this summer, NPR reported on this very phenomenon, wherein mutant strains from the polio vaccine caused more paralysis than wild polio. Could it really be that a lab-altered version of a virus is more dangerous than the one found in nature? Absolutely. As Jason Beaubien reports, as of June 2017, there were more cases of child paralysis caused by the polio vaccine than the actual, wild-caught disease itself. At the time of his reporting, just six cases of 'wild' polio, which is naturally occurring in the environment, had been reported worldwide."


Read more at https://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com/2018/10/un-admits-latest-outbreak-of-polio-in.html.

We already discussed that. Let me use simple examples. ''Cases die to wild poliovirus have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated 350 000 cases then, to 22 reported cases in 2017.''

So let's say, we have 350.000 cases of polio, we use the polio vaccine, we get rid of over 99% of all the polio cases but then we are left with some bad side effects, they don't happen too often but they are there. Your article says 33 cases of paralysis due to the vaccine, let's say it's true.

Do you think it would have been better to leave the 350.000 cases of polio exist and prevent those 33 cases of paralysis in the end?

Or perhaps getting rid of 350.000 cases of polio is better even though the vaccine might cause paralysis rarely?

Yes I know it's not a perfect scenario, as already discussed, drugs/medicine have some terrible side effects, however it's better to use them than not.