Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[Astargath]

I suspect that some vaccines would be safe and useful if they were made simple, and locally. But because the big pharmaceutical houses manufacture them in large quantities, they have to be made in ways that can preserve them. It's the preservation processes (like adding mercury) that makes them dangerous. In addition, many (probably most) of them don't have real testing behind them to see if they are really safe, and really work most of the time.

The big problem might not be the vaccine idea at all. The big problem is probably only the greed of the big pharmaceutical houses.

''(like adding mercury) that makes them dangerous.'' Oh really? Fish contains mercury, in fact the mercury found in fish is Methylmercury which is worse than ethylmercury which is what vaccines contain. Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels.

Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.

So, you like your mercury, right? It figures.   

Do you eat fish? It contains mercury too, in high doses mercury clearly is bad, however in small doses does nothing to your body. God should have protected us from this, anyways, right?

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[Astargath]

''(like adding mercury) that makes them dangerous.'' Oh really? Fish contains mercury, in fact the mercury found in fish is Methylmercury which is worse than ethylmercury which is what vaccines contain. Thimerosal does not stay in the body a long time so it does not build up and reach harmful levels.
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A person with a least a tiny amount of understanding will know that the gut of any animal has evolved over millions of years to deal successfully with any substance or element in it's natural surroundings.  The gut breaks down food into smaller molecules.  The ones which are valuable to the organism's metabolism are absorbed through the gut lining and the ones which are harmful and/or toxic are expelled without entering the blood stream.

Injections are a whole different an quite novel mechanism.  In this case whatever is in the vaccine is injected directly into the blood stream, or at least directly into the tissues, without any protection from the gut.  No defense mechanisms have evolved to deal with this threat.

Some of the vaccines are so dangerous that if a nurse drops one on the floor and it breaks before being injected directly into the blood stream of an infant, it constitutes by law a toxic spill and the contaminated carpet is supposed to be taken to a special landfill for hazardous wasted.  The multi-dose vials of influenza which they try to shoot pregnant women with continue to contain this thimerosal, and in these kinds of concentrations I believe.  Unless the laws were to embarrassing for the vaccine pushers and they got an exemption.

http://truthstreammedia.com/2013/09/12/govt-mercury-is-a-toxic-hazardous-waste-unless-its-in-your-vaccines/

Edit:  Just watching the associated video and it describes the AMA ethyl/methyl scam that you fell for.

This is the problem with conspiracy theorists, you go to google, find a link that supports your conspiracy, come back post it here and call it evidence, never mind the thousands of studies showing vaccines are safe, never mind the thousands of websites, you find 1 or 2 that support your conspiracy, WELP IT MUST BE TRUE THEN HURR DURR.

No one is saying all vaccines are 100% safe, we are humans, we don't make perfect things, I'm sure some of them contain things that might not be healthy, it happens with everything, drugs and medicine for instance. You agree that steroids are a necessity to cure or treat a lot of different diseases, yet we all know they have awful side effects, does that mean the government is making them like that on purpose to kill us or whatever you think they are doing?

[BADecker]

This is the problem with conspiracy theorists, you go to google, find a link that supports your conspiracy, come back post it here and call it evidence, never mind the thousands of studies showing vaccines are safe, never mind the thousands of websites, you find 1 or 2 that support your conspiracy, WELP IT MUST BE TRUE THEN HURR DURR.

No one is saying all vaccines are 100% safe, we are humans, we don't make perfect things, I'm sure some of them contain things that might not be healthy, it happens with everything, drugs and medicine for instance. You agree that steroids are a necessity to cure or treat a lot of different diseases, yet we all know they have awful side effects, does that mean the government is making them like that on purpose to kill us or whatever you think they are doing?

A conspirator is somebody who names people who disclose his conspiracy, conspiracy theorists.

[tvbcof]

A conspirator is somebody who names people who disclose his conspiracy, conspiracy theorists.

A 'conspiracy' is just two or more people having a plan which doesn't benefit everyone and which they keep secret.  To deny that this happens is absurd.

A 'theory' is the post enlightenment method of discovering factual truth.  Nothing to be ashamed of at all.  Just the opposite in fact.

The gluing of these two words together into the string 'conspiracy theory' and demonizing it was demonstrably a psychological construct to help preserve and expand their existing power structure in the U.S..  The tactic targets the weak minded, and it works like a dream!  The trouble is that not everyone is weak minded.  What's a good social engineer to do?  Getting mercury, fluoride, aluminum, lead, etc into the central nervous system of most of the peeps?  Perhaps.

[Astargath]

A conspirator is somebody who names people who disclose his conspiracy, conspiracy theorists.

A 'conspiracy' is just two or more people having a plan which doesn't benefit everyone and which they keep secret.  To deny that this happens is absurd.

A 'theory' is the post enlightenment method of discovering factual truth.  Nothing to be ashamed of at all.  Just the opposite in fact.

The gluing of these two words together into the string 'conspiracy theory' and demonizing it was demonstrably a psychological construct to help preserve and expand their existing power structure in the U.S..  The tactic targets the weak minded, and it works like a dream!  The trouble is that not everyone is weak minded.  What's a good social engineer to do?  Getting mercury, fluoride, aluminum, lead, etc into the central nervous system of most of the peeps?  Perhaps.

Aluminium and lead was also present in a ton of things everyone uses everyday, like deodorants, I guess the government is making deodorants with poisonous materials on purpose too, am I right?

[BADecker]

Aluminium and lead was also present in a ton of things everyone uses everyday, like deodorants, I guess the government is making deodorants with poisonous materials on purpose too, am I right?

Oh come on! Lead isn't a problem. Just watch this Youtube video from Aswan Egypt starting about 18 minutes and 45 seconds in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwKZ_KdP8YQ&t=0m1125s.

[tvbcof]

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The gluing of these two words together into the string 'conspiracy theory' and demonizing it was demonstrably a psychological construct to help preserve and expand their existing power structure in the U.S..  The tactic targets the weak minded, and it works like a dream!  The trouble is that not everyone is weak minded.  What's a good social engineer to do?  Getting mercury, fluoride, aluminum, lead, etc into the central nervous system of most of the peeps?  Perhaps.

Aluminium and lead was also present in a ton of things everyone uses everyday, like deodorants, I guess the government is making deodorants with poisonous materials on purpose too, am I right?

Hmmm. Deoderants.  Who do you suppose owns controlling interest in Unilever Corporation?  I doubt it is mother Theresa.  I'd be surprise if Prince Bernhard or his 'house' didn't have at least a voice in the activities of this multinational corporation.

You know Prince Bernhard, right?  Or is cousin Prince Philip?

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
             - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

Not sure how you got such great confidence in these types of 'leaders'.  I'm still guessing that you are a garden variety retard rather than someone who agrees with the ways and means of these evil fucks.

[Astargath]

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The gluing of these two words together into the string 'conspiracy theory' and demonizing it was demonstrably a psychological construct to help preserve and expand their existing power structure in the U.S..  The tactic targets the weak minded, and it works like a dream!  The trouble is that not everyone is weak minded.  What's a good social engineer to do?  Getting mercury, fluoride, aluminum, lead, etc into the central nervous system of most of the peeps?  Perhaps.

Aluminium and lead was also present in a ton of things everyone uses everyday, like deodorants, I guess the government is making deodorants with poisonous materials on purpose too, am I right?

Hmmm. Deoderants.  Who do you suppose owns controlling interest in Unilever Corporation?  I doubt it is mother Theresa.  I'd be surprise if Prince Bernhard or his 'house' didn't have at least a voice in the activities of this multinational corporation.

You know Prince Bernhard, right?  Or is cousin Prince Philip?

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
             - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

Not sure how you got such great confidence in these types of 'leaders'.  I'm still guessing that you are a garden variety retard rather than someone who agrees with the ways and means of these evil fucks.

There is nothing to gain from poisoning and killing us, nothing.

[Bitchef2112]

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The gluing of these two words together into the string 'conspiracy theory' and demonizing it was demonstrably a psychological construct to help preserve and expand their existing power structure in the U.S..  The tactic targets the weak minded, and it works like a dream!  The trouble is that not everyone is weak minded.  What's a good social engineer to do?  Getting mercury, fluoride, aluminum, lead, etc into the central nervous system of most of the peeps?  Perhaps.

Aluminium and lead was also present in a ton of things everyone uses everyday, like deodorants, I guess the government is making deodorants with poisonous materials on purpose too, am I right?

Hmmm. Deoderants.  Who do you suppose owns controlling interest in Unilever Corporation?  I doubt it is mother Theresa.  I'd be surprise if Prince Bernhard or his 'house' didn't have at least a voice in the activities of this multinational corporation.

You know Prince Bernhard, right?  Or is cousin Prince Philip?

"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
             - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

Not sure how you got such great confidence in these types of 'leaders'.  I'm still guessing that you are a garden variety retard rather than someone who agrees with the ways and means of these evil fucks.

There is nothing to gain from poisoning and killing us, nothing.

Why do you even bother, these people are deaf and so deep in their echo chambers. Everything is a conspiracy, everyone is out to kill them. Leave them to their paranoia.

[tvbcof]

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"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
             - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

Not sure how you got such great confidence in these types of 'leaders'.  I'm still guessing that you are a garden variety retard rather than someone who agrees with the ways and means of these evil fucks.

There is nothing to gain from poisoning and killing us, nothing.

Why does 'overpopulation' become a fixation of these ultra-wealthy and/or 'elite' people then?  It clearly is if you study their work even a little bit.

You also have to be willingly blind to not notice that sick people in America are a cash cow of epic proportions to the medical/industrial complex as well an increasingly significant portion of our economy generally.  Hi medical bills also happen to be a great way to siphon the lifes savings of the middle class into the hands of the upper class.  This may be an accident of fate, but I doubt that it goes unnoticed by the beneficiaries.

[Astargath]

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"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."
             - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

Not sure how you got such great confidence in these types of 'leaders'.  I'm still guessing that you are a garden variety retard rather than someone who agrees with the ways and means of these evil fucks.

There is nothing to gain from poisoning and killing us, nothing.

Why does 'overpopulation' become a fixation of these ultra-wealthy and/or 'elite' people then?  It clearly is if you study their work even a little bit.

You also have to be willingly blind to not notice that sick people in America are a cash cow of epic proportions to the medical/industrial complex as well an increasingly significant portion of our economy generally.  Hi medical bills also happen to be a great way to siphon the lifes savings of the middle class into the hands of the upper class.  This may be an accident of fate, but I doubt that it goes unnoticed by the beneficiaries.

Pharmaceuticals are indeed pretty evil sometimes, raising the cost of their products and so on, however from to that to, government controls and makes all vaccines harmful on purpose, is a big leap. Overpopulation? Don't make me laugh, overpopulation is not and will never be a problem. More than half of the population already lives in 2 countries, china and india and they are perfectly fine. Also big difference between those 2 countries even though they have a lot of population indicating how little population affects anything, not to mention that in 50-100 years we will be living on mars ;^)

[BADecker]

Most vaccination is effected by sticking a needle into a person. Where does something like that happen in nature? Poisonous snakes and spiders and fish that do injection, all harm or kill. And even some thorn bushes of various types are poisonous. Essentially there is nothing in nature that suggests injecting somebody to keep him well and safe.

At the same time, you can look all over the world and see how nature provides people with teeth, food, a digestive system, and all kinds of immunities in the forms of their natural immune systems. And all of this without injecting them. So, why would injection be better?

Are we improving on nature? Consider. Nature reproduces life in quantities... by the trillions. We can't even figure out how to make one single life form from scratch. Why do we think that we are smart enough to inject people to heal them, when nature - which is a lot smarter than we are - doesn't do that?

[Astargath]

Most vaccination is effected by sticking a needle into a person. Where does something like that happen in nature? Poisonous snakes and spiders and fish that do injection, all harm or kill. And even some thorn bushes of various types are poisonous. Essentially there is nothing in nature that suggests injecting somebody to keep him well and safe.

At the same time, you can look all over the world and see how nature provides people with teeth, food, a digestive system, and all kinds of immunities in the forms of their natural immune systems. And all of this without injecting them. So, why would injection be better?

Are we improving on nature? Consider. Nature reproduces life in quantities... by the trillions. We can't even figure out how to make one single life form from scratch. Why do we think that we are smart enough to inject people to heal them, when nature - which is a lot smarter than we are - doesn't do that?

This gotta be up there with the most idiotic arguments in the history.

[BADecker]

Most vaccination is effected by sticking a needle into a person. Where does something like that happen in nature? Poisonous snakes and spiders and fish that do injection, all harm or kill. And even some thorn bushes of various types are poisonous. Essentially there is nothing in nature that suggests injecting somebody to keep him well and safe.

At the same time, you can look all over the world and see how nature provides people with teeth, food, a digestive system, and all kinds of immunities in the forms of their natural immune systems. And all of this without injecting them. So, why would injection be better?

Are we improving on nature? Consider. Nature reproduces life in quantities... by the trillions. We can't even figure out how to make one single life form from scratch. Why do we think that we are smart enough to inject people to heal them, when nature - which is a lot smarter than we are - doesn't do that?

This gotta be up there with the most idiotic arguments in the history.

You really need to start recognizing the difference between fact and argument. Or are you across the hall from notbatman?

[Astargath]

Most vaccination is effected by sticking a needle into a person. Where does something like that happen in nature? Poisonous snakes and spiders and fish that do injection, all harm or kill. And even some thorn bushes of various types are poisonous. Essentially there is nothing in nature that suggests injecting somebody to keep him well and safe.

At the same time, you can look all over the world and see how nature provides people with teeth, food, a digestive system, and all kinds of immunities in the forms of their natural immune systems. And all of this without injecting them. So, why would injection be better?

Are we improving on nature? Consider. Nature reproduces life in quantities... by the trillions. We can't even figure out how to make one single life form from scratch. Why do we think that we are smart enough to inject people to heal them, when nature - which is a lot smarter than we are - doesn't do that?

This gotta be up there with the most idiotic arguments in the history.

You really need to start recognizing the difference between fact and argument. Or are you across the hall from notbatman?

Stick to religion, leave science for smart people. ''Where does something like that happen in nature?'' Poisonous snakes and spiders and fish that do injection, all harm or kill. And even some thorn bushes of various types are poisonous. Essentially there is nothing in nature that suggests injecting somebody to keep him well and safe.

Next time someone allergic to a bee ''injection'' get's ''injected'' tell him not to inject himself with epinephrine, let him die because injecting epinephrine cannot possibly be good because nature shows us it's not.

You are fucking stupid lmao.

[Sithara007]

So, you like your mercury, right? It figures.   

Some of these people like mercury for your kids.  Not so much for their own.

Most of them are just brainwashed idiots though.  That's what I initially assume of such an individual absent further evidence.

There are thousands of different vaccinations available. In some cases, more than a dozen different vaccines are available to protect you from the same disease. And how many of them contain mercury? The presence of mercury in one vaccine should not be used to tarnish the entire vaccination program.

[BADecker]

Most vaccination is effected by sticking a needle into a person. Where does something like that happen in nature? Poisonous snakes and spiders and fish that do injection, all harm or kill. And even some thorn bushes of various types are poisonous. Essentially there is nothing in nature that suggests injecting somebody to keep him well and safe.

At the same time, you can look all over the world and see how nature provides people with teeth, food, a digestive system, and all kinds of immunities in the forms of their natural immune systems. And all of this without injecting them. So, why would injection be better?

Are we improving on nature? Consider. Nature reproduces life in quantities... by the trillions. We can't even figure out how to make one single life form from scratch. Why do we think that we are smart enough to inject people to heal them, when nature - which is a lot smarter than we are - doesn't do that?

This gotta be up there with the most idiotic arguments in the history.

You really need to start recognizing the difference between fact and argument. Or are you across the hall from notbatman?

Stick to religion, leave science for smart people. ''Where does something like that happen in nature?'' Poisonous snakes and spiders and fish that do injection, all harm or kill. And even some thorn bushes of various types are poisonous. Essentially there is nothing in nature that suggests injecting somebody to keep him well and safe.

Next time someone allergic to a bee ''injection'' get's ''injected'' tell him not to inject himself with epinephrine, let him die because injecting epinephrine cannot possibly be good because nature shows us it's not.

You are fucking stupid lmao.

As usual, you can't stick to the topic. Haven't you ever heard the phrase, "Fight fire with fire?" If you want to go off on a topic of the few people who get poisonously "stabbed" by something in nature, why don't you start such a topic?

The point is that "stabbing" in nature is something that is generally unhealthy for a person. So, why would we think that stabbing the masses with vaccine injections would do anything better, since we aren't nearly as smart as the immune systems nature built into us?

On top of that, you seem to like the mercury that we "stab" into people in the standard injections, even though mercury has been shown to be extremely toxic to our systems. Don't you even relize, that if we can find a way to protect ourselves from mercury injections, that we can find ways to protect ourselves without having the injections at all?

Your twisted mind simply wants to deceive us into thinking that vaccination is safe, when we first trusted, but now are finding out that vaccine safety is unproven at best, and often a lie.

You are showing yourself to be a complete, trolling lie, probably working for Big Pharma, so that the truth can be hidden, and Big Pharma can continue to make more money off millions of people, while damaging these people in other ways so that BF can make even more $billions of these millions of people.

No wonder you talk the way you do. You are making money off the destruction of the health of millions!

[tvbcof]

Just got back from a 10 day trip to Vietnam and made a few observations.

1)  High population density and a lot of people everywhere, but I rarely saw anyone with a sniffle.  When I got back to a domestic hop, the airplane was literally a chorus of coughing and sneezing.  I would not rule out the possibility that the fires in the NW were a contributing factor, but I think it safe to say that the U.S. generally is a very sick and weak population.  Is it because to many people take the bait and get bi-monthly 'flu shots' at the grocery store?  Lacking proper scientific data I'll not say, but I will say that the lack of such scientific data is interesting indeed.  To this day there is fierce resistance to any 'total health outcome' studies associated with vaccines.  Why?

2)  People need their shit wired tight to drive safely in Vietnam given the traffic and driving patterns.  I saw not a single accident.  The last leg of my trip was 4 hours of driving on American roads, and it seemed like every 10th car had a dunk behind the wheel.  Were people to drive like this in Vietnam the road would be littered with fatalities.  Could the fact that by most counts well over half of the U.S. population is on prescription meds be associated with this observation about driving skill?  Just wondering.

[Astargath]

Just got back from a 10 day trip to Vietnam and made a few observations.

1)  High population density and a lot of people everywhere, but I rarely saw anyone with a sniffle.  When I got back to a domestic hop, the airplane was literally a chorus of coughing and sneezing.  I would not rule out the possibility that the fires in the NW were a contributing factor, but I think it safe to say that the U.S. generally is a very sick and weak population.  Is it because to many people take the bait and get bi-monthly 'flu shots' at the grocery store?  Lacking proper scientific data I'll not say, but I will say that the lack of such scientific data is interesting indeed.  To this day there is fierce resistance to any 'total health outcome' studies associated with vaccines.  Why?

2)  People need their shit wired tight to drive safely in Vietnam given the traffic and driving patterns.  I saw not a single accident.  The last leg of my trip was 4 hours of driving on American roads, and it seemed like every 10th car had a dunk behind the wheel.  Were people to drive like this in Vietnam the road would be littered with fatalities.  Could the fact that by most counts well over half of the U.S. population is on prescription meds be associated with this observation about driving skill?  Just wondering.

1. Personal experiences are certainly very scientific.

2. Vietnam 24.5 Deaths per 100.000 inhabitants driving, United States   10.6 Was it really that hard to check the statistics? Oh well, for conspiracy theorists probably is, their brain is always trying to fabricate some new conspiracy.

[BADecker]

Just got back from a 10 day trip to Vietnam and made a few observations.

1)  High population density and a lot of people everywhere, but I rarely saw anyone with a sniffle.  When I got back to a domestic hop, the airplane was literally a chorus of coughing and sneezing.  I would not rule out the possibility that the fires in the NW were a contributing factor, but I think it safe to say that the U.S. generally is a very sick and weak population.  Is it because to many people take the bait and get bi-monthly 'flu shots' at the grocery store?  Lacking proper scientific data I'll not say, but I will say that the lack of such scientific data is interesting indeed.  To this day there is fierce resistance to any 'total health outcome' studies associated with vaccines.  Why?

2)  People need their shit wired tight to drive safely in Vietnam given the traffic and driving patterns.  I saw not a single accident.  The last leg of my trip was 4 hours of driving on American roads, and it seemed like every 10th car had a dunk behind the wheel.  Were people to drive like this in Vietnam the road would be littered with fatalities.  Could the fact that by most counts well over half of the U.S. population is on prescription meds be associated with this observation about driving skill?  Just wondering.

1. Personal experiences are certainly very scientific.

2. Vietnam 24.5 Deaths per 100.000 inhabitants driving, United States   10.6 Was it really that hard to check the statistics? Oh well, for conspiracy theorists probably is, their brain is always trying to fabricate some new conspiracy.

Of course the personal experiences of the scientists in their scientific investigations are scientific. If they weren't, we wouldn't be able to understand anything about science at all!

The differences between Nam and the States is hygiene. If there weren't any vax in the States, it would be down to 5 per 100,000.

What are you always blabbing about without looking at more than your narrow area. Spread your thinking out to look at more of the picture... or are you really a political troll.