Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker?

[baobao2000]

There is always risk with medical procedure or medicine side effects. Would you want to not have vaccination? Without vaccination you might have higher risk to get a horrible disease? There are always choice, you can off course refuse to get vaccination for your children, but then you need to accept if anything happen, you have also need to face the problem.

[Balthazar]

For those who think that vaccination is not necessary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick-borne_encephalitis

Tick-borne encephalitis is one of deadliest viral infections in 21st century. Due to climate change, it spreads quickly and this proccess is irreversible since it's nearly impossible to sanitize infected areas. For example, 20 years ago nobody heared about tick-borne encephalitis in Romania or Moscow region. But now it's here and slowly moves to west. Little by little it conquers new territories in Austria, Germany and other countries.

That wouldn't be a problem if effective vaccine would have existed. Unfortunately, there is no such one. People from accross the globe spent years trying to create attenuated strain of the virus, but they came to conclusion that it's impossible. So, only inactivated vaccines are available, and their protection level is very limited. You have to revaccinate every 3 years in order to keep protective level of antibodies.

Dear antivaccinators, giving the lethality rate and complications into account, your extinction is only a matter of time. This planet will become uncapable of supporting your life quite soon.

[tvbcof]

For those who think that vaccination is not necessary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tick-borne_encephalitis

Tick-borne encephalitis is one of deadliest viral infections in 21st century. Due to climate change, it spreads quickly and this proccess is irreversible since it's nearly impossible to sanitize infected areas. For example, 20 years ago nobody heared about tick-borne encephalitis in Romania or Moscow region. But now it's here and slowly moves to west. Little by little it conquers new territories in Austria, Germany and other countries.

That wouldn't be a problem if effective vaccine would have existed. Unfortunately, there is no such one. People from accross the globe spent years trying to create attenuated strain of the virus, but they came to conclusion that it's impossible. So, only inactivated vaccines are available, and their protection level is very limited. You have to revaccinate every 3 years in order to keep protective level of antibodies.

Ah yes.  Ticks.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6gCqulCok  What a surprise to see them lending a hand to the force vaccination for all pro-vax movement.

I live in a rural area and get tick bites multiple times per year.  Twice I've gotten flu-like symptoms after a tick bite and both times have taken a short course of antibiotics just in case.

My mom got the classic bulls-eye rash and the 'medical professional' still refused to treat it as potential lyme since there were 'only 8 reports' in the state.  When Mom insisted, the lady got terribly upset and practically through the antibiotic prescription at her.  On her way out the door my mom said 'I'm sure you are going to report this as a potential case, right?' just to further piss the 'doctor' off.

The good news is that since we are all going to die from global climate change brought on by cow farts, ticks can also make people allergic to red meat.  Here's a 'mainstream' story about that (though the 'conspiracy theory' explorations of same contain a lot more actual scientific information.):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nndLZSMpuQ  CBS has it pegged as a double-bite transferring some natural meat sugars.  Ya, I'm sure that's what it is...

Dear antivaccinators, giving the lethality rate and complications into account, your extinction is only a matter of time. This planet will become uncapable of supporting your life quite soon.

It is fairly easy to see the next few moves in this chess game.

The next move is that the pro-vax forces will be spreading around certain diseases that they claim to have a solution for and say "See, told you so.  Now we need force vaccination."

The anti-vaxxer counter-play will be to analyze the genetic material and see if it happens to stem from a strain out of Fort Detrick or some such.

A wild-card will be whistle-blowers who's conscience has been pushed beyond the breaking point.  Also how effectively the 'open source' scientific establishment can muster the resources to use state-of-the-art analytical equipment.  Also how effective the recent clamp-down on the free flow of information by Google et-al turns out to be.

The Plumb Island crew have been severely hampered in their lyme project because people with money have gotten ill and have contributed lots of money to independent research and lab facilities.  The 'open source' understanding of the Borrelia burgdorferi bacterium and associated weaponized biological agents is actually fairly well understood at this point for those who care to look.

[BADecker]

^^^ A point in addition is:

Look throughout nature. Where do you find "puncturing of skin" and "injections" in nature?

Bee stings.
Snake venom.
Spider bites.
Sea creature stabs.
Thorn and thistle stabs.

Do any of these ever produce anything but pain or death for the victim?

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All animal's bodies and physiology evolve over millions of years to deal with common threats which are a factor in their life-ways.  It's not worth the 'waste' to deal with corner case threats.

'Injection' is an uncommon threat for most humans for most of history.  Not so much for a honey badger which tangles with vipers a number of times in it's life.  These creatures are 'on the path' toward being able to deal with a certain type of injected toxin.  Much more so than we.  

Evolutionarily speaking, the particular 'brood of vipers' that we tangle with regularly are a relatively new phenomenon.  As a species, our 'bodies and minds' are still playing catch-up.

Humans have a well developed gut to deal with environmental hazards such as aluminum.  Injecting something into the blood stream is VASTLY different than having it pass through the digestive process.  Vax pushing media darlings such as Dr. Paul Offit are completely aware of this principle, but they deliberately mis-infom in the mainstream media when they say how 'little' aluminum is in vaccines vs. how much we end up eating and thus not to worry about it.

Why does Dr. Paul Offit spread such mis-information to the scientifically illiterate masses?  Why is he given the platform to do so?  Is it only 'just the money', or is there something more to it?

We all "specialize" in different areas. You and I seem to be in agreement in much of what we suggest about the medical not testing vaccines and drugs for safety. I learn from you. Please learn this one thing from me, because if you don't, much of what you have said in your post that I am quoting is false.

There is no proof for evolution theory evolution (ETE). The only real way to show that ETE exists is, go back into the past and track the DNA of countless thousands (or millions) of creatures to see if ETE is the way it happened. Why is this the only way? Because if creatures were created, who is to say that they were not created as individual creatures, similar though they might be in many ways?

Is that kind of thinking too radical for you? Then Internet search on "impossible evolution" to see that there is plenty of evidence to show that ETE is impossible.

[BADecker]

Vaccines are destroying natural immunity. This might be okay if they replaced the natural with something that worked, but they aren't. Standardized vaccination is destroying human life and peace down the road.


Vaccinated children face a 3000% increased risk of dangerous allergy, stunning new science finds

The current CDC schedule recommends 50+ vaccine doses before a child reaches six years of age. This rigorous vaccine schedule forces pathogens into a child's body in an unnatural way, ultimately changing the way a child's immune system is exposed to pathogens, how it learns, responds, and develops. Vaccine pathogens are introduced directly into the muscle tissue and blood stream. These impure vaccine ingredients enter the bloodstream and circulate to the organs without first being filtered through the immune system's first line of defense: the mucous membranes, the gastrointestinal tract and other layers of the human microbiome. Vaccine toxins such as aluminum and mercury can even penetrate the blood-brain barrier.

Compounding use of multiple vaccines sets the immune system up for long-term failure, causing the body to lose its ability to recognize actual viral and bacterial threats the way it is designed to.

[BADecker]

Your poor little puppy!


Autism Symptoms in Pets Rise as Pet Vaccination Rates Rise

Pets, especially dogs, have been exhibiting signs of autism, similar to those found in children, and studies are underway to evaluate the possibility that animals can become autistic. Nicholas Dodman, DVM, was looking for a genetic cause of obsessive tail chasing in bull terriers that often results in self-maiming, but instead he discovered numerous symptoms of autism in the dogs. He also found that two biomarkers common to children with autism were also present in the affected dogs. Adverse reactions to vaccination are not uncommon in pets. Globally, the animal vaccine industry has been valued at $6.27 billion in 2015 and is expected to rise to $11.40 billion by 2024.

Just as the incidence of Autism-Spectrum Disorders (ASDs) has risen alarmingly in children over the last half century, there is evidence that similar behavioral disorders have been observed in pets, most widely reported among pet dogs. It is too early for mainstream veterinary authorities to confidently confirm that dogs can develop autism, but there are numerous reports of behavior patterns in pets that mirror autism behavior in children. Studies are underway to evaluate the possibility that animals can become autistic.

[tvbcof]

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All animal's bodies and physiology evolve over millions of years to deal with common threats which are a factor in their life-ways. ....

We all "specialize" in different areas. You and I seem to be in agreement in much of what we suggest about the medical not testing vaccines and drugs for safety. I learn from you. Please learn this one thing from me, because if you don't, much of what you have said in your post that I am quoting is false.

There is no proof for evolution theory evolution (ETE). The only real way to show that ETE exists is, go back into the past and track the DNA of countless thousands (or millions) of creatures to see if ETE is the way it happened. Why is this the only way? Because if creatures were created, who is to say that they were not created as individual creatures, similar though they might be in many ways?

Is that kind of thinking too radical for you? Then Internet search on "impossible evolution" to see that there is plenty of evidence to show that ETE is impossible.

I come from the 'anacro-science' frame of reference and have spend probably 47 or my last 52 years immersed in it.  Off-and-on at least.

Even if 'the theory of evolution' is 'not true', it is 'not true' in the same sense that Newtonian physics is 'not true.'  It is 'true enough' to be extremely useful and in fact indispensable in understanding reality and in forming and testing hypotheses.

I'll defer on researching the 'impossible evolution' at this time.  Every time I've done so in the past I've come away with the impression that the protagonists of the argument are woefully ignorant of the basic principles of the theory.  When I next visit the topic I shall focus on the arguments of those who have done respected work in the scientific community, have been recognized for their achievements, and have 'turned.'  There are enough such people that I cannot write off the 'impossibility' thesis completely.

You may consider this 'progress' if you like since I had been more militant in my anti-religious stance in earlier times.  Actually, it's the total corruption of 'science' by the likes of the global warming eco-scammers and pro-vaxxers which is probably more associated with my attitude of looking into alternatives to the 'settled' science.  'Cult science' as Feynman would call it.  Another fitting term would be 'scientism.'  Whatever you want to call it I find more objectionable and disgusting than most other forms religions (with the notable exception being Babylonian Talmud based Judisim with all of it's ethic supremacist baggage.)

I respect your (BADecker) work a fair bit.  To beat these scammers it will take work from all angles, and more than a little dedication.  At the end you and I will meet in Heaven, in Hell, in the Matrix, or never.  I'm content with any of these possibilities.  God Bless, Move Forward!

[BADecker]

^^^ Maybe if I started a religion I could make some money.     

[tvbcof]

^^^ Maybe if I started a religion I could make some money.     

You certainly would not be the first nor the last.  "The love of money is the root of all evil." so they say.

I've actually been studying religion even more than science (the real kind) over the last couple of years.  The good, the bad, and the ugly aspects of it.  Again, 'progress' since in my studies the 'good' has achieved a much higher level of appreciation in my mind than it had before, and classic fundamental Christianity in particular.

[BADecker]

This might not be directly about vaccines and who is sicker, but it shows that the drug companies have incentive to keep people sick, and that they could easily be using vaccines to help with this program of theirs.


Big Pharma on display: A drug company now charges almost $300 for a $5 bottle of a simple, low-cost vitamin

The pharmaceutical industry certainly seems to attract more than its fair share of evil people who are totally focused on making money at any cost. In the United States, which has very lax federal regulatory laws in this regard, pharma giants have become infamous for price gouging – jacking the prices of lifesaving medications up astronomically, and virtually overnight.

The latest example of this total lack of empathy for the plight of the people dependent on their medications, is a pharmaceutical manufacturer called Avondale Pharmaceuticals which recently hiked the price of a prescription version of vitamin B3 (niacin), called Niacor, from $32.46 to $295.

Though inexpensive generic versions of this vitamin are available over the counter, doctors often prescribe this specific brand for the treatment of high cholesterol. The company purchased the rights to produce Niacor from a Japanese company called Sawai Pharmaceutical in 2017.

Not content to stop there, Avondale also purchased the rights to produce another drug called SSKI, which is used in the treatment of respiratory illnesses, and pushed that drug’s price up from $11.48 to $295.

Both price increases were implemented on November 13, 2017.

[Balthazar]

We need to ban vaccines until we have proof that they are safe on a batch by batch basis.

Well, two accounts were obviously bought by Rothschild to reduce the population. Please speak for yourself, I don't need measles infected zombies walking around me.

[BADecker]

We need to ban vaccines until we have proof that they are safe on a batch by batch basis.

Well, two accounts were obviously bought by Rothschild to reduce the population. Please speak for yourself, I don't need measles infected zombies walking around me.

There aren't any measles infected zombies. There are vaccinated zombies. Measles, itself, is like a natural "vaccination" against all kinds of other diseases.

[tvbcof]

We need to ban vaccines until we have proof that they are safe on a batch by batch basis.

Well, two accounts were obviously bought by Rothschild to reduce the population. Please speak for yourself, I don't need measles infected zombies walking around me.

You are confusing measles with opiates which make people into zombies for years before they die, and they die by the 100,000's.

Measles is like having the flu for week and confers life-long immunity.  This naturally obtained immunity is also protective of future nursing children if the mother gets it in her childhood.  This covers the window left open by big-pharma's plan, and small babies are the most prone mortality from the ailment.  Measles, like chicken pox, only became a big scary threat when big-pharma developed a vaccine and were able to formulate what their marketing people call a 'franchise' for this disease.*

It's not surprising that you don't worry about the real problems since big pharma makes a ton off opiates.  And zombified dependent population is exactly what our political leaders want.  I doubt that you personally want this, but you seem typical of the innumerate sheeple in terms of analytical abilities and have been conditioned by mainstream media like the rest.

(*) There are real health threats which are NO JOKE, and some of them are addressable via vaccination.  Smallpox is an example.  I'll have my kid vaccinated for smallpox if it is a threat, but I'll be very careful about where I get it, and it won't be part of some mass-vaccination program run by corp/gov, or by some Gates associated NGO, to 'help' the lower classes.

[tvbcof]

We need to ban vaccines until we have proof that they are safe on a batch by batch basis.

Well, two accounts were obviously bought by Rothschild to reduce the population. Please speak for yourself, I don't need measles infected zombies walking around me.

There aren't any measles infected zombies. There are vaccinated zombies. Measles, itself, is like a natural "vaccination" against all kinds of other diseases.

The hypothesis that having one's immune system exercised by these generally low-risk 'right-of-passage' childhood ailments results in a stronger immune system which pays dividends throughout one's life is by no means crazy.  I'll bet money (and the well-being of my family) that it would be shown to have some merit if it were allowed to be studied.  Alas, in our current 'cult science' climate it won't be except by independent researchers...and a few who've gone off the reservation and developed some results in the short window of time before they've been shut down.*

Note that what we have here, by the simple expression of the 'null hypothesis', is a guy who feels strongly that 'we' SHOULD have pharmaceutical corporations be giving potentially unsafe batches of drugs to the populations of their choice.

It's a little annoying to have 'society' call US unreasonable, but oh well.  My respect for these indoctrinated drones is so low that I really don't care a lot.  Yes, it's bothersome that they may be a factor in having a literal gun pointed at my head if I don't comply with corp/gov's vaccine mandates, but at the end of the day 99% of them are just conditioned retards who 'know not what they do.'  They are not even worth hating on.

(*) This followed directly after Eisenhower's famous 'military industrial complex' stanza in his farewell speech, and is probably even more profound:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmfrau-KNd8

[tvbcof]

Here's a per-emptive post of mine from another thread which is, unsurprisingly (and very chicken-shitedly), self-moderated:

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Wow, a self-moderated thread to 'control the narrative' since pro-vaccine propagandists are getting trounced on BADecker's real and unmoderated 'guess who is sicker' thread.  Who could have seen that coming?

Then we have the red scare 'it's the Rooshins I tell you' tactic.  Lol!

How long before speaking against vaccines (aka, 'conspiracy theories') and, more generally, against pharmaceutical corporations is labeled 'antisemitic'?  Probably within the year by the looks of things.  Still a few loose ends to tie up before _anything_ so labeled is a automatically a 'hate crime.'

[tvbcof]

Speaking of the Rooshins my dear friend FHF...

American and (Bolshevik) USSR governments were closely aligned enough in the 50's that mass vaccination trials of American-based research were being carried out on Russian populations.  (((Hard to know how that was happening in the middle of the cold war, but anyway...)))

When the SV40 cancer virus was identified in all polio vaccines, the joke in Merck's research lab was that the USSR would do poorly in the Olympics because they would be lugging around giant tumors.

Thankfully this particular undetected virus was removed from the vaccine and no more people were so infected after the early 60's...and after the existing stocks were used up.  Of course it had no effect which we can tell because only less than half of the population cohort so injected gets cancer these days.  Move along; nothing to see here.

Thankfully today's pharmaceutical corporations are much more ethical and we can be sure that there are no bad-apples in the bunch.  Else we might see things like price gouging and so forth.

[tvbcof]

The FDA chief want the federal government to mandate to the states that non-medical vaccination exemptions are no longer allowed.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/31551-fda-boss-to-states-eliminate-vaccine-exemptions-or-else

I predicted that there would be a handful of promises that Trump made on the campaign trail which conflict with the long-term goals and projects of (((his people))) and he would weasel out of them somehow if he were indeed a phony.

 - No more wars in the middle east  (weaseled.)
 - Protect the 2nd amendment (waffled.)
 - vaccines safety (weaseling and doing less than shit.)
 - flood the US with migrants (weaseling/waffling/faking.)
 - dual-citizens/neocons running critical aspects of our country (Oh man!)

Verdict: 'phony'  Of course we could see that starting on day one, and it was certain over a year ago at least.

[tvbcof]

Here's quite a valuable piece about fraud in science generally, but as one example there is information about one of the vaccine frauds and how it was pulled off:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfHEuWaPh9Q&feature=youtu.be&t=995

I started the clip at Kennedy's speech part, but the whole thing is quite interesting.

[peonminer]

Literally such a small pool for study that this seems like useless information... 666 kids studied? "compared 261 unvaccinated children with 405 partially or fully vaccinated children" Seems like propaganda more than anything. Twice as many vaccinated children lol. Children who go out into the world instead of being kept home away from where they would even contract things. lel. Still, I won't deny the price gouging and unethical practices of pharma. I never get my flu shot and have yet to get the flu as well so... meh. I am for vax for things like pox, etc. All the things kids catch at school. Things like flu though I prefer not to get vaxxed bc everyone I see that gets it usually winds up with the flu lmao.

[tvbcof]

Literally such a small pool for study that this seems like useless information... 666 kids studied? Compared to? Seems like propaganda more than anything.

Firstly, that is a big enough sample size to produce meaningful results assuming the selectors and other factors are done correctly.

Secondly, so-called 'anti-vaxxers' have been screaming from the roof-tops for 'officials' to do a real total health outcome study using their vast resources.  ('Real' meaning the protocols are negotiated in public and adhered to, and that the data is accessible to all.)  The fact that there is a dedicated effort to avoid one serves as a strong indication that TPTB know exactly what they'll find and have no interest in finding it.  At least to me it does.  I'll wager that they'll find just what this grass-roots research found, and probably worse.