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[capulo]

i'm not interesting in POG yet, but they are affraid of not staking and introducing POG , i dont understand...

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[thesnat21]

I'm watching this. Rob covers up, opensource, and then swims like a fish. This is not what investors expect.

If you are cheating a system,  then I'm not sure you can be called an investor.


I would like to see all of you stick around,   but anyone that has been abusing this silently has been taking advantage of the situation and snuffing out smaller users that are playing by the rules.

[sunk818]

yes, so this is why i'm staking 20bpp/rac per every podc update, so where is problem?
i'm not staking lower and getting higher payouts
stakebalnce said that i have 10m bbp to stake, so i can use it in podc update, no?

sunk, why i should not be in bbp team? because i'm using bpp wallet? it is only thing that i'm doing , i'm not hacking/cracking anything
if you dont like current rules, change them (already did somehow), of course then announce new rules...
rules are programmed in wallet/blockchain... and not somewhere spoken by someone, if wallet allows something then it is allowed and people will be using it no matter what you think

Small users were negatively affected by this behavior. BiblePay needs more small users than a few big users. One big user can not promote a coin as well as a diverse group of smaller users. Your actions are bad for the coin.

410k + 335k + 223k + 248k = 1.25M RAC . You needed to stake 24.3M BBP but you only staked 10M BBP.

Imagine all the money you saved not having to buy more BBP, or use extra BBP to make masternodes. Either way, it is unfair to BiblePay members.

BLSRauiWZ1oZSXv5Xus9zRJtNQ9vu4Q8ug
cpid: e7c056024cd3b781edd5af37965c652c
Total RAC: 410k
rosetta: capulo
wcg: capulo

BAWNW6XN7pKN3kYE9hfPKBeboFSubJgDmj
cpid: 69e9ffe8c747b24d6cfe2afa05684612
Total RAC: 335k
rosetta: capiatko
wcg: capiatko

B5KbTKG1nPW7DHcCrBuAfEpkcxKHUXx189
BQmqNxXhEJ9rWGo4isynCpyNFHdKBL2Bzu
cpid: 183b46bd8c5bd5ce00e5b4cf8b079704
total RAC: 223k
rosetta: dae
wcg: michael23296@centrum.sk

BH2oBbagSSLyN4pmxv5MVqJLCsitotdgZn
cpid: 7517487f5568941cb691fd36ff2224d1
Total RAC: 248k
Rosetta: MuadDib
WCG: Byteball_01712709

[daemonko]

yes, so this is why i'm staking 20bpp/rac per every podc update, so where is problem?
i'm not staking lower and getting higher payouts
stakebalnce said that i have 10m bbp to stake, so i can use it in podc update, no?

sunk, why i should not be in bbp team? because i'm using bpp wallet? it is only thing that i'm doing , i'm not hacking/cracking anything
if you dont like current rules, change them (already did somehow), of course then announce new rules...
rules are programmed in wallet/blockchain... and not somewhere spoken by someone, if wallet allows something then it is allowed and people will be using it no matter what you think

Small users were negatively affected by this behavior. BiblePay needs more small users than a few big users. One big user can not promote a coin as well as a diverse group of smaller users. Your actions are bad for the coin.

sunk, go preaching somewhere else. you are talking about "fairness" here? all this (let's call it crypto-business) is an example of gambling at it's finest. and there are people who can change the rules when they like, we have seen this many times. there is no solid ground here. and chances are (very high, and not only to me) that bbp is another scam...

sunk, maybe it is you, who should not be on bbp team anymore.

anyways, can someone explain to me, when i call exec getboincinfo, why i see this (last 24 hours) (it was ok for a few weeks):

 "Command": "getboincinfo",
  "CPID": "",
  "Address": "",
  "CPIDS": ""

i'm really tired of all this nonsense, selling it all out and closing the door... too much energy totally wasted here.

[daemonko]

yes, so this is why i'm staking 20bpp/rac per every podc update, so where is problem?
i'm not staking lower and getting higher payouts
stakebalnce said that i have 10m bbp to stake, so i can use it in podc update, no?

sunk, why i should not be in bbp team? because i'm using bpp wallet? it is only thing that i'm doing , i'm not hacking/cracking anything
if you dont like current rules, change them (already did somehow), of course then announce new rules...
rules are programmed in wallet/blockchain... and not somewhere spoken by someone, if wallet allows something then it is allowed and people will be using it no matter what you think

Small users were negatively affected by this behavior. BiblePay needs more small users than a few big users. One big user can not promote a coin as well as a diverse group of smaller users. Your actions are bad for the coin.

410k + 335k + 223k + 248k = 1.25M RAC . You needed to stake 24.3M BBP but you only staked 10M BBP.

Imagine all the money you saved not having to buy more BBP, or use extra BBP to make masternodes. Either way, it is unfair to BiblePay members.

BLSRauiWZ1oZSXv5Xus9zRJtNQ9vu4Q8ug
cpid: e7c056024cd3b781edd5af37965c652c
Total RAC: 410k
rosetta: capulo
wcg: capulo

BAWNW6XN7pKN3kYE9hfPKBeboFSubJgDmj
cpid: 69e9ffe8c747b24d6cfe2afa05684612
Total RAC: 335k
rosetta: capiatko
wcg: capiatko

B5KbTKG1nPW7DHcCrBuAfEpkcxKHUXx189
BQmqNxXhEJ9rWGo4isynCpyNFHdKBL2Bzu
cpid: 183b46bd8c5bd5ce00e5b4cf8b079704
total RAC: 223k
rosetta: dae
wcg: michael23296@centrum.sk

BH2oBbagSSLyN4pmxv5MVqJLCsitotdgZn
cpid: 7517487f5568941cb691fd36ff2224d1
Total RAC: 248k
Rosetta: MuadDib
WCG: Byteball_01712709

just a SIMPLE question. ARE those cpids BANNED? and HOW can it be checked?

[capulo]

I'm watching this. Rob covers up, opensource, and then swims like a fish. This is not what investors expect.

If you are cheating a system,  then I'm not sure you can be called an investor.


I would like to see all of you stick around,   but anyone that has been abusing this silently has been taking advantage of the situation and snuffing out smaller users that are playing by the rules.

once again:
you cant call cheating something that is normally allowed by wallet, if you mean something in other way, it is your fault that it is not implemented as required

point me exactly to rule which saying about having coins all the time in wallet or whatever else
there was no such rule implemented
there are no bad or good rules, there are only rules, and only rules was:
one podcupdate in 24h window
after xy hours, all untouched coins in wallet are usable for staking, you implemented fc exec stakebalance for checking this, so if it is not true fix it!

if you dont like current rules, change it, of course with announcing new rules before

i catch only one new rule, .5 coin age, but i have coins 2 days in wallet and cpid is still missing
so there must been implemented something else also and we dont know about it (some blacklist or what)

in other words for new users: does not matter what wallet allows you or what rules are implemented. if sunk or others tells you are cheater, you will get nothing ! so be in love with them and your payments will came + bonus coins from banned users

normal developing process is:
we found that current rules are not enough
we fix it in new release

[sunk818]

"Command": "getboincinfo",
  "CPID": "",
  "Address": "",
  "CPIDS": ""

i'm really tired of all this nonsense, selling it all out and closing the door... too much energy totally wasted here.

Hi, may I help you? If you tell me your CPID, I can look up your stats.

and chances are (very high, and not only to me) that bbp is another scam...

You are entitled to your opinion, but I'm curious why you are running BOINC on Team BiblePay if you think this coin is a scam. Are your own actions contradicting what you are saying?

sunk, maybe it is you, who should not be on bbp team anymore.

Maybe you are right. Why do you think I should not be on the team?

[thesnat21]

once again:
you cant call cheating something that is normally allowed by wallet, if you mean something in other way, it is your fault that it is not implemented as required

point me exactly to rule which saying about having coins all the time in wallet or whatever else
there was no such rule implemented
there are no bad or good rules, there are only rules, and only rules was:
one podcupdate in 24h window
after xy hours, all untouched coins in wallet are usable for staking, you implemented fc exec stakebalance for checking this, so if it is not true fix it!

if you dont like current rules, change it, of course with announcing new rules before

i catch only one new rule, .5 coin age, but i have coins 2 days in wallet and cpid is still missing
so there must been implemented something else also and we dont know about it (some blacklist or what)

in other words for new users: does not matter what wallet allows you or what rules are implemented. if sunk or others tells you are cheater, you will get nothing ! so be in love with them and your payments will came + bonus coins from banned users

normal developing process is:
we found that current rules are not enough
we fix it in new release

See, we cannot just do a mandatory release whenever we feel like it,  due to exchanges and folks that need to upgrade.

You guys have had a long run abusing this loophole, and it will not be tolerated any longer. You could have mentioned it to us and been honest up front,  which would have given us more time to implement something.


see Biblepay UTXO Reward Chart:   http://wiki.biblepay.org/Distributed_Computing

The word Stake, is used as HOLD ON TO,  (ie proof of "stake" coins, you prove you are holding/owning those coins).

You were not staking, you are sending a transaction and then moving the coins.

The idea of PODC was to allow other folks to participate,  I thought participants would have some sort of morals and not be just in it for greed.

I appreciate the person that brought this practice to light.   


The bottom line is:  If you want to participate in PODC,  keep the coins in your wallet.  We cannot tolerate sharing of stake,  if we were to do this we might as well remove the stake requirement at all.

[Dimarzio123]

http://pool.biblepay.org/ seems to be out of order

PM

Someone added to ticket suggesting we block HTTP, please use HTTPS.

Tx - that works
Maybe put a simple http redirect for people who try to connect in http

[slovakia]

only idiot using http webs

[daemonko]

we might as well remove the stake requirement at all.

well, remove it. good idea.

[slovakia]

for today, +50% rewards 

[bible_pay]

ok so how it works now? if coin age .5 means half a day then i have more than one day coins in wallet, stakebalance shows them but getboininfo shows no cpid and so

how can i check if coin age is met? or also other new things?

on other side, if coin age si below .5 then cpid is lost? or when it is lost?

I don't think you should be on BiblePay Team any more.

The rules are hidden now, sometimes rabbit, sometimes rain.
Capulo asked only about rules...

Why doesn't he explain it to all the other people that staked 100% BBP for 100% reward, why it is fair for capulo to staked only 10% BBP to get 100% reward?

If the rules allow it, it's ok.
He did not create rules. He asked about current, because they are changed without the knowledge of others.
It's like you have to pay taxes and do not know how much.

The "stated rules" are 20 bbp stake per rac.

This is what people were expected to obey,  just because you found a way around it, doesn't change the stated rules.

I'm watching this. Rob covers up, opensource, and then swims like a fish. This is not what investors expect.

I'm not covering anything or swimming, we have 5 days left before POG, I'm working as fast as I can to ensure a smooth cutover.

On PODC, I just asked yesterday if you possibility violated the .50 age rule and now I am looking into the info we have.

We said the sancs would eventually start enforcing the rule, its public - nothing is hidden.  You are probably experiencing the pain of that rule, but you haven't explained to us your entire operation - you are clearly not telling us if you are sharing your UTXO, so how can we help you.

[bible_pay]

http://pool.biblepay.org/ seems to be out of order

PM

Someone added to ticket suggesting we block HTTP, please use HTTPS.

Tx - that works
Maybe put a simple http redirect for people who try to connect in http

Yes, I hear you, we added the http->https redirect and it broke the CORS policy, so I'm working on another alternative now.  For now users can again use http or https.

[jaapgvk]

Hi everyone,

I received the newsletter today, and I just wanted to come by and say that I'm happy to see that BiblePay is still going strong!

Although I'm still struggling to find balance in my life, I am definitely in better shape than a few months ago, and I'm going to see if I can dip my toe in the water again (no promises though). I'll be in the background for now, and maybe helping people out a bit on Telegram if needed 

[bible_pay]

yes, so this is why i'm staking 20bpp/rac per every podc update, so where is problem?
i'm not staking lower and getting higher payouts
stakebalnce said that i have 10m bbp to stake, so i can use it in podc update, no?

sunk, why i should not be in bbp team? because i'm using bpp wallet? it is only thing that i'm doing , i'm not hacking/cracking anything
if you dont like current rules, change them (already did somehow), of course then announce new rules...
rules are programmed in wallet/blockchain... and not somewhere spoken by someone, if wallet allows something then it is allowed and people will be using it no matter what you think

Capulo,

POG has so many holes. He could not correct one system, he would not do the next one. I'm sorry because I believed in this coin, now it's bottom.

There is not one hole in POG...  Can you name one personally?



Regarding "could not correct" the current, Sorry but let me inform you (who is obviously not listening to logical reason) what really happened since launch through 2018:

- We released POBH vanilla with no CPU restrictions, and the rich kid with a lot of CPUs copied the code out to 300 machines to make more money for himself, but never wanted to upgrade - which caused problems for us because we couldnt issue releases in a timely manner (unless we changed the algo with a hard fork each time)
- We reacted by releasing POBH f14000, which rewarded more BBP to mining on distinct nodes (in contrast to distinct cpus) and then that was abused by people who cloned copies of bbp to run multiple full  nodes (which caused problems for us, because this vector was over-rewarding a niche greedy group more than the average lone miner)
- We released PODC which turned out to be hard to set up for the average user and ended up stagnating our growth level - we need 1 new user per day - not stagnation
- Now we move to POG, which is Easy to set up for the average user, uses commodity PCs still, and cannot be overrun by botnets (because there is no reward for multiple CPUs or multiple distinct full nodes) - the reward is based on giving.

Again this is not insanity, these are incremental improvements over time.  Lets see how our baseline looks in 90 days!  If we go from 200 distinct miners to 2000, its obviously an improvement.  We want mass participation.  I think POG can potentially give us this!

Lets be excited.

But lets not fantasize and say POG has loopholes.

[bible_pay]

Hi everyone,

I received the newsletter today, and I just wanted to come by and say that I'm happy to see that BiblePay is still going strong!

Although I'm still struggling to find balance in my life, I am definitely in better shape than a few months ago, and I'm going to see if I can dip my toe in the water again (no promises though). I'll be in the background for now, and maybe helping people out a bit on Telegram if needed 

It's great to potentially have you back Jaap, welcome back!  We missed you.

[bible_pay]

Rob

Tragedio - comedy part 2...

I take popcorn and read what's in the new episode )

In the third part. I suggest choosing who can mining and who does not.

Whats a comedy to me is how you are jumping to conclusion.
You realize the code only does what its programmed to do.
There is no evidence that POG mining does not work yet.
There is only evidence that User A didnt have any coins in the stake balance, and user B did.....  We tested all this in testnet.

I havent even tried it yet in Prod on windows; working on it...

Til then don't assume there is a bug or flaw unless you confirm it through research.

I'm open to hearing about any flaws with POG mining in Prod.

[bible_pay]

1.1.8.5 - BiblePay
Mandatory Upgrade


- Proof-of-Giving Goes Live (for heat mining rewards
only, PODC is still live) at block 100,001
- After block 100,000 minimum transaction relay fees increase (to
correct the absurdly low fees)
- At block 106,000 we vote to retire or not retire PODC (making the POG
budget bigger)

** Please upgrade before block 100,001 **
** This upgrade is for the entire network:  Sanctuaries and Users **


* SouthXChange, CoinExchange, and GIN have upgraded.  Waiting for C-CEX and CryptoBridge. *

[bible_pay]

On a side note, I plan on keeping the testnet thread alive while we go live with POG:

https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=post;quote=5394;topic=335.405

And if we don't have any errors (or just small bugs) I'm going to edit the thread for general purpose testing of the Orphan Letter writing feature in testnet (so we can test editing new letters and sending the outbound letter to compassion and cameroon etc).