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August 18, 2013, 04:23:28 AM |
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I actually want that credit card!
Preorder by BTC only. No refunds.
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August 18, 2013, 04:33:22 AM |
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I actually want that credit card!
Preorder by BTC only. No refunds. BTC goes down the drain the other way in Australia right? Never ever to return when BFL fails to produce a working product or even ship it.
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August 18, 2013, 04:36:09 AM |
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Congrats, you just gave up 10% in fees for no good reason.
You also went and lost your place in line for a product promised/scheduled to ship 4+ months from now...if...it's on time.
Well, you have waited this long and never got anything, so what is another year of your life down the tubes? It's okay, as long as your money never buys anything I guess we should be encouraging everyone to buy into the next gen from BFL.
It will keep folks out of the market and from rising difficulty.
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After thinking it over. <puts on Master Shill Cap>
I absolutely encourage everyone to transfer your orders to gen 2 at BFL. I want you to get the best bang for your buck! (watches customers locking themselves in a cage of compromise...not bad)
Sure, I gave up the 10% transfer fee. But I also had a 25%-off coupon from my October order that I used. So I still saved around $700 off of the list price. Btw, I don't feel bad about giving away my place in line for an April order. By the time that order finally arrives, ROI was never going to happen. Now look I have a 1200 GIgaHash unit for only 25BTC Also I am offering all BFL customers a Pre-order swap program to put you @ the front of the queue and did i say I was finished ..No theres more !! Also we are offering a BFL coupon cash in service that gives you a further 35% discount That brings us to only 6 BTC for 1200 G/H and also being inb the first top 10 customers of the special offer that will not last Please send 6 BTC to 1Bp2aVhg2w4CCa2Tw4427gz5xJjGsKBzQn to secure your once in a lifetime opportunity
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August 18, 2013, 04:37:04 AM |
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I might have missed it in the past 19 pages so just in case.
Just shut up and take my money
Your card sir. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lw6urxkgDk1qfzjwwo1_500.png&t=665&c=Z636h7swQqoPnQ) I actually want that credit card! What for ? You cant buy your next BFL order with it ! They don't take CC ! Seriously thou, I want one too.. Respect ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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August 18, 2013, 04:38:14 AM |
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I might have missed it in the past 19 pages so just in case.
Just shut up and take my money
Your card sir. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2F24.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lw6urxkgDk1qfzjwwo1_500.png&t=665&c=Z636h7swQqoPnQ) I actually want that credit card! What for ? You cant buy your next BFL order with it ! They don't take CC ! Seriously thou, I want one too.. Respect ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) No I am first in this pre-order queue ..so u wil have to wait ..otherwise we will be having a queue OFF
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August 18, 2013, 04:41:30 AM |
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I actually want that credit card!
Preorder by BTC only. No refunds. There are always refunds available because BFL has to play by Federal Trade Commission rules. Those rules say that they must refund your money up to the point at which they actually ship your merchandise. Even if you live outside the US, you can still file a complaint with the FTC.
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August 18, 2013, 04:48:15 AM |
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This is hilarious... I actually have some BFL hardware and even I think this means they are finished.. They are obviously trying to move payments to a medium that cant be refunded (bitcoin or wire xfer). They are using a design which alot of us *know* cannot dissipate that much heat, and they are moving at a snail's pace with current orders.
Guys... Ive never said this before, but i believe they are on the virge of folding and taking anyone who preorders money with them..
Regarding power consumption, Radeon 6990 both consume more power than our card does, the very reason we took this design approach. Regards, Nasser EDIT: Corrected '5970' and '5870' to 6990 Loser.
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August 18, 2013, 04:53:11 AM |
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mining is high risk what are the changes of getting your money back with others or them shipping on time xcrowd kncminer bitfury vmc-fast hash hashfast avalon asics
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August 18, 2013, 04:53:43 AM |
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There are always refunds available because BFL has to play by Federal Trade Commission rules. Those rules say that they must refund your money up to the point at which they actually ship your merchandise. Even if you live outside the US, you can still file a complaint with the FTC.
Not only the FTC. http://da.jocogov.org/complaint-formsThe KS state attorney general reports that they have recovered $17m in "consumer restitution, fees and penalties" in 2011, and $43m in 2012. Maybe 2013 will be another banner year?
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Butterfly Labs has a different interpretation of the FTC Mail Order Rule. You do not have a refund option with the BFL Monarch no matter how late they ship. "... In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity." -- Albert Einstein "Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more you sweat, the luckier you get." -- Ray Kroc
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August 18, 2013, 04:56:32 AM |
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Congrats, you just gave up 10% in fees for no good reason.
You also went and lost your place in line for a product promised/scheduled to ship 4+ months from now...if...it's on time.
Well, you have waited this long and never got anything, so what is another year of your life down the tubes? It's okay, as long as your money never buys anything I guess we should be encouraging everyone to buy into the next gen from BFL.
It will keep folks out of the market and from rising difficulty.
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After thinking it over. <puts on Master Shill Cap>
I absolutely encourage everyone to transfer your orders to gen 2 at BFL. I want you to get the best bang for your buck! (watches customers locking themselves in a cage of compromise...not bad)
Sure, I gave up the 10% transfer fee. But I also had a 25%-off coupon from my October order that I used. So I still saved around $700 off of the list price. Btw, I don't feel bad about giving away my place in line for an April order. By the time that order finally arrives, ROI was never going to happen. Thats a pretty good deal (if it ships on time). I am going to start the calculations on what the ROI will be for a 600Gh/s system in January 2014. Wait for it.
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August 18, 2013, 05:04:51 AM |
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Lets see, Previously I posted the prediction for what we would be earning in the future a few months ago. A few laughed it off, many crapped their pants, ASICMiner at the very least responded when people got cold feet, lots of Avalons went unsold at the previously overpriced rates advertised. So how close was the calculation to the actual truth? (based on an Avalons earnings) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fs23.postimg.org%2Fc8jlnvcnv%2FAsics_are_way_overpriced_1.png&t=665&c=Gq0HPGnBa16RTA) I used 50btc's calculator and typed in the hash rate. So the calc is off by a few days but it is generally spot on for this time frame. =========================== What will it look like if I plug in a 600GH/s beat from today till it is actually delivered though?
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August 18, 2013, 05:09:57 AM |
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Lets see, Previously I posted the prediction for what we would be earning in the future a few months ago. A few laughed it off, many crapped their pants, ASICMiner at the very least responded when people got cold feet, lots of Avalons went unsold at the previously overpriced rates advertised.
So how close was the calculation to the actual truth? (based on an Avalons earnings)
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I used 50btc's calculator and typed in the hash rate. So the calc is off by a few days but it is generally spot on for this time frame.
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What will it look like if I plug in a 600GH/s beat from today till it is actually delivered though?
Lets all give up mining BTC then! This forum is going to be very boring. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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August 18, 2013, 05:16:42 AM |
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Lets see, Previously I posted the prediction for what we would be earning in the future a few months ago. A few laughed it off, many crapped their pants, ASICMiner at the very least responded when people got cold feet, lots of Avalons went unsold at the previously overpriced rates advertised.
So how close was the calculation to the actual truth? (based on an Avalons earnings)
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I used 50btc's calculator and typed in the hash rate. So the calc is off by a few days but it is generally spot on for this time frame.
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What will it look like if I plug in a 600GH/s beat from today till it is actually delivered though?
Lets all give up mining BTC then! This forum is going to be very boring. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Ah. So you don't care about math or mining. No wonder you are seemingly very positive.
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August 18, 2013, 05:30:58 AM |
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Lets all give up mining BTC then! This forum is going to be very boring. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Ah. So you don't care about math or mining. No wonder you are seemingly very positive. Seriously, why are you here? Do you get some kind of perverse pleasure from pooping in the punchbowl? You offer nothing but endless amounts of negativity. Maybe I'm a masochist but I've had you on "ignore" several times but have felt compelled to see if you are offering anything else to the community but FUD. Back to ignore... after I read your next few agonizing posts. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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August 18, 2013, 05:31:50 AM |
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So this is your ROI if you got 600GH/s RIGHT NOW. As in, it is right next to you and turned on humming away creating BTC. http://s21.postimg.org/ahbpwkjd3/2013_08_18_002223.pngIt is safe to say that BFL better stop shipping, as should Avalon, BitFury and lots of others. This may turn out worse than the chart shows.
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August 18, 2013, 05:34:54 AM |
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Lets all give up mining BTC then! This forum is going to be very boring. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Ah. So you don't care about math or mining. No wonder you are seemingly very positive. Seriously, why are you here? Do you get some kind of perverse pleasure from pooping in the punchbowl? You offer nothing but endless amounts of negativity. Maybe I'm a masochist but I've had you on "ignore" several times but have felt compelled to see if you are offering anything else to the community but FUD. Back to ignore... after I read your next few agonizing posts. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) FUD huh? Such FUD that apparently it lowered prices and people couldn't resell at their previous price points. Perhaps such powerful FUD that even current reality reinforces the numbers...then again...like I said. If the others ship in quantity (Avalon, BitFury, BFL, et al; with 400Gh/s miners....) The numbers may not match up towards January. I might need to use a steeper median curve.... ================= Perhaps that is why you have not seen me mentioning anything about buying miners. I don't know about you, but I am waiting and seeing what develops. If the chart is accurate towards the future...the current 400Gh/s miner will probably experience a hell of a wallop in price.
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August 18, 2013, 05:42:23 AM |
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BOYCOTT.
Pop over to the BFL forums to see how the Boycott is going !! I feel sick to my stomach, and this will be the same with Avalon's next gen. Am sticking to my no more pre-orders philosophy, but i feel mining is lost now to the greater fool.. Looks like Josh was correct about completing back orders in September. Am out of this game till the dust settles..Too rich poor for me.
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August 18, 2013, 05:44:42 AM |
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Perhaps that is why you have not seen me mentioning anything about buying miners. I don't know about you, but I am waiting and seeing what develops. If the chart is accurate towards the future...the current 400Gh/s miner will probably experience a hell of a wallop in price.
Keep waiting. The rest of us will do something while you wait. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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