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February 26, 2014, 10:27:07 PM
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Don't forget, we just blew something like 2-3 BTC on MintPal and they then turned around and said: "Sorry , we don't understand NXT, how about some nice TeslaCoin instead? "


As I said, they need to refund the money


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February 26, 2014, 10:28:25 PM
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Don't forget, we just blew something like 2-3 BTC on MintPal and they then turned around and said: "Sorry , we don't understand NXT, how about some nice TeslaCoin instead? "


As I said, they need to refund the money

I wish us all the luck in the world with that, but won't hold my breath Smiley
Let's at least learn from the experience!

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February 26, 2014, 10:34:51 PM
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Don't forget, we just blew something like 2-3 BTC on MintPal and they then turned around and said: "Sorry , we don't understand NXT, how about some nice TeslaCoin instead? "


As I said, they need to refund the money

I wish us all the luck in the world with that, but won't hold my breath Smiley
Let's at least learn from the experience!

Agreed, but if they don't repay I say we spam all over that they stole from us and is utterly incompetent for not even being able to put NXT on their exchange like so many other exchanges.
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February 26, 2014, 10:38:59 PM
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Androklis Polymenis (me) donates a million digital NXT coins to BPF! $43,000. Press release [PDF]: http://[Suspicious link removed]/t8tWY8

https://twitter.com/Lets_Upgrade/status/438525224368107520


wow,so generous.

This needs more media coverage. Anyone has account with http://service.prweb.com/ ?
I am on it, already submitted it to few sites. I am also registered at prweb, but they want $99-499 for one news release, bastards

Yes, but they want money, but they get it published to finance.yahoo.com and other sites
Again I think it's worth it.
I have contacted 20+ big sites already, but if these people can GUARANTEE that it'll be published on some of the biggest news sites in the world then it's worth it in my opinion.
Should be paid straight from the fund. Salsacz is already in control of a marketing fund, so if we're all in agreement on it I don't think that's a problem?

Hold on a moment.....I know it's tempting to look at every marketing/PR issue as something that will be solved if you throw some money at it, but we should at least try to see how far we can get on our own before we throw money at outside agencies.

The press release at the moment is one short page, focussing in the BPF and klee, with almost no information about NXT.
Journalists are lazy bastards (or working to a tight deadline)so u can be sure that they won't bother doing any further research into NXT before posting a story that focusses exclusively on the BPF and maybe klee, with only a passing mention for NXT.

I suggest that someone (not me, no time for next 3-4 days) expands the press release with lots of NXT info and maybe a little interview with klee, then we  can start pushing it ourselves to news outlets, especially mainstream ones like the BBC and old-skool newspapers.
If that doesn't work out, then we hand the improved press release over to the pros and open our wallets.
This story doesn't have to run right now.....


Talking of klee:
tion to keep this ball rolling.  We should ask the Cryptsy folks to document what was required to get NXT plugged into their system. Then we should turn right around to allwelder or some of the other Chinese NXT members and see that this info from Cryptsy gets communicated to BTX38.com in China.  We need to be on both of these exchanges as soon as possible.  It is the only way we are going to get exposure to a new pool of capital to buy NXT and get our exchange volume back up. 

Good idea. Give them some bounty for it.
I support this - a part of unclaimed funds should go as a bounty to cryptsy, btc38 and maybe btc-e (I hate these scammers but..).

Let's move this shit forward, especially cryptsy (big volume) and btc38 (CNY/NXT).

I suggest 100K nxt bounty.


I vote that we don't.
We have talented guys in NXT that have been helping with exchange implementation (opticalcarrier springs to mind, + others).
If we spent the 100 kNXT bounty on financing these guys to set up an exchange implementation workgroup and get them to fully document their procedures, we can get a package together that will allow all exchanges to implement NXT without the technical problems that so many seem to be having.

Helping, documenting, spreading the implementation info and providing support will pay off way better in the long run than simple bribery.
Again, if providing tech help doesn't cut it, then we can try bribery.

Don't forget, we just blew something like 2-3 BTC on MintPal and they then turned around and said: "Sorry , we don't understand NXT, how about some nice TeslaCoin instead? "


+1

Has there been any thought or moves to marketing directly to groups that may benefit from using NXT? i.e. Trade Unions, Chambers of Commerce maybe Small or local government bodies? This type of marketing would be fairly cheap; Only involving time and not much $ to get rolling on. NXT could be made to seem very appealing to these types of organizations if presented in the right way.
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February 26, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
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Don't forget, we just blew something like 2-3 BTC on MintPal and they then turned around and said: "Sorry , we don't understand NXT, how about some nice TeslaCoin instead? "


As I said, they need to refund the money

I wish us all the luck in the world with that, but won't hold my breath Smiley
Let's at least learn from the experience!

Agreed, but if they don't repay I say we spam all over that they stole from us and is utterly incompetent for not even being able to put NXT on their exchange like so many other exchanges.

If anyone wants to pm a Mintpal admin directly.

Mintpal-Jay who posts on the Mintcoin board frequently is one of them. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=238724
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February 26, 2014, 10:49:13 PM
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I wondered what happened to NXT on Mintpal...

Thought they were going to add it today.

Why is there no dedicated, knowledgeable, person in the next community who handles all this exchange stuff?
For all I care: pay that person a ongoing bounty to handle this!

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February 26, 2014, 10:49:57 PM
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I vote that we don't.
We have talented guys in NXT that have been helping with exchange implementation (opticalcarrier springs to mind, + others).
If we spent the 100 kNXT bounty on financing these guys to set up an exchange implementation workgroup and get them to fully document their procedures, we can get a package together that will allow all exchanges to implement NXT without the technical problems that so many seem to be having.

Helping, documenting, spreading the implementation info and providing support will pay off way better in the long run than simple bribery.
Again, if providing tech help doesn't cut it, then we can try bribery.

Don't forget, we just blew something like 2-3 BTC on MintPal and they then turned around and said: "Sorry , we don't understand NXT, how about some nice TeslaCoin instead? "


I say we offer them 20k Nxt for testing purposes along with the help of our devs.  You could even tell Cryptsy that BTC38 and BTC-e are adding Nxt and vice versa.  Tell them it was an easy implementation with the help of our devs.
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February 26, 2014, 10:52:42 PM
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Has there been any thought or moves to marketing directly to groups that may benefit from using NXT? i.e. Trade Unions, Chambers of Commerce maybe Small or local government bodies? This type of marketing would be fairly cheap; Only involving time and not much $ to get rolling on. NXT could be made to seem very appealing to these types of organizations if presented in the right way.

I think we would lose all credibility if we were being used by local government bodies.
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February 26, 2014, 10:54:09 PM
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I wondered what happened to NXT on Mintpal...

Thought they were going to add it today.

Why is there no dedicated, knowledgeable, person in the next community who handles all this exchange stuff?
For all I care: pay that person a ongoing bounty to handle this!

i hope ive made it clear that any exchange can consult with me for free on NRS/NXT design/operation for integration into their exchange.
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February 26, 2014, 11:06:47 PM
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Does the NRS have plans for an auto-update feature in the future? So we don't get nodes a few versions behind the latest one?

Maybe like a pop-up or some scrolling text somewhere that states "an update is available" or something along those lines.
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February 26, 2014, 11:15:30 PM
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Agreed, but if they don't repay I say we spam all over that they stole from us and is utterly incompetent for not even being able to put NXT on their exchange like so many other exchanges.

Really?
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February 26, 2014, 11:16:22 PM
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Does the NRS have plans for an auto-update feature in the future? So we don't get nodes a few versions behind the latest one?

Maybe like a pop-up or some scrolling text somewhere that states "an update is available" or something along those lines.

It was planned at the beginning but it might not be anymore...
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February 26, 2014, 11:19:06 PM
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Does the NRS have plans for an auto-update feature in the future? So we don't get nodes a few versions behind the latest one?

Maybe like a pop-up or some scrolling text somewhere that states "an update is available" or something along those lines.

It was planned at the beginning but it might not be anymore...

Yeah I remember the talk from before...

Sad ...

I just was asking since I remember seeing that there was someone still on NRS 0.4.* and got people on 0.7.5/0.7.6/0.8.0e/etc. this morning on the active nodes...
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February 26, 2014, 11:19:31 PM
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Has there been any thought or moves to marketing directly to groups that may benefit from using NXT? i.e. Trade Unions, Chambers of Commerce maybe Small or local government bodies? This type of marketing would be fairly cheap; Only involving time and not much $ to get rolling on. NXT could be made to seem very appealing to these types of organizations if presented in the right way.

I think we would lose all credibility if we were being used by local government bodies.

I was thinking not in terms of direct use of the NXT currency, but by use of the asset exchange. Trade unions, and government bodies can by means of contract or legislation create demand for assets that they could generate on the AE. For example a union could negotiate into their contract that a portion of their pension be funded with an asset that they create, and any signatory contractor that employed any of that unions workers would be bound to invest in that asset. This would benefit the unions in the same way that the original block genesis of NXT benefited the stake holders. They would have control of the assets availability and thus the value of the asset. The contractor would not be at a disadvantage as they would have to pay the same amount out for the pension wether it were paid in FED. RESERVE notes or cryptos. The holders of the asset would gain from the increase in value of the asset as it were sold on the market, and could generate the asset for free and have control over its availability. It could work in a similar way for any body that could leverage a demand through contract or legislation. They wouldn't be endorsing the NXT currency directly, but would be forced to participate to a certain degree to use the AE. These types of groups may be easy to influence as they stand to profit with very little investment and could have direct control over the asset.

Just a thought.
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February 26, 2014, 11:24:42 PM
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Does the NRS have plans for an auto-update feature in the future? So we don't get nodes a few versions behind the latest one?

Maybe like a pop-up or some scrolling text somewhere that states "an update is available" or something along those lines.

It was planned at the beginning but it might not be anymore...

Yeah I remember the talk from before...

Sad ...

I just was asking since I remember seeing that there was someone still on NRS 0.4.* and got people on 0.7.5/0.7.6/0.8.0e/etc. this morning on the active nodes...

Beware of centralization.
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February 26, 2014, 11:26:44 PM
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i hope ive made it clear that any exchange can consult with me for free on NRS/NXT design/operation for integration into their exchange.

Your offer has been tweeted and posted to FB and Google. Looking for retweets to get it in front of the right people. @nxtcrypto

It'll be in tomorrow's NXT News Daily.
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February 26, 2014, 11:28:31 PM
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Has there been any thought or moves to marketing directly to groups that may benefit from using NXT? i.e. Trade Unions, Chambers of Commerce maybe Small or local government bodies? This type of marketing would be fairly cheap; Only involving time and not much $ to get rolling on. NXT could be made to seem very appealing to these types of organizations if presented in the right way.

I think we would lose all credibility if we were being used by local government bodies.

I was thinking not in terms of direct use of the NXT currency, but by use of the asset exchange. Trade unions, and government bodies can by means of contract or legislation create demand for assets that they could generate on the AE. For example a union could negotiate into their contract that a portion of their pension be funded with an asset that they create, and any signatory contractor that employed any of that unions workers would be bound to invest in that asset. This would benefit the unions in the same way that the original block genesis of NXT benefited the stake holders. They would have control of the assets availability and thus the value of the asset. The contractor would not be at a disadvantage as they would have to pay the same amount out for the pension wether it were paid in FED. RESERVE notes or cryptos. The holders of the asset would gain from the increase in value of the asset as it were sold on the market, and could generate the asset for free and have control over its availability. It could work in a similar way for any body that could leverage a demand through contract or legislation. They wouldn't be endorsing the NXT currency directly, but would be forced to participate to a certain degree to use the AE. These types of groups may be easy to influence as they stand to profit with very little investment and could have direct control over the asset.

Just a thought.

Not trying to downplay the importance of exchanges, but  exchanges will also follow the laws of supply and demand. The more we make NXT desirable the more exchanges will want to trade it. Plus this is another avenue to pursue that would require little else than some ones time to implement.
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February 26, 2014, 11:36:22 PM
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@opticalcarrier: how do you feel about setting up an exchange implementation group, as outlined below?
Might be bounty in it for ya......


I vote that we don't.
We have talented guys in NXT that have been helping with exchange implementation (opticalcarrier springs to mind, + others).
If we spent the 100 kNXT bounty on financing these guys to set up an exchange implementation workgroup and get them to fully document their procedures, we can get a package together that will allow all exchanges to implement NXT without the technical problems that so many seem to be having.

Helping, documenting, spreading the implementation info and providing support will pay off way better in the long run than simple bribery.
Again, if providing tech help doesn't cut it, then we can try bribery.

Don't forget, we just blew something like 2-3 BTC on MintPal and they then turned around and said: "Sorry , we don't understand NXT, how about some nice TeslaCoin instead? "


I say we offer them 20k Nxt for testing purposes along with the help of our devs.  You could even tell Cryptsy that BTC38 and BTC-e are adding Nxt and vice versa.  Tell them it was an easy implementation with the help of our devs.

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February 26, 2014, 11:37:54 PM
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Does the NRS have plans for an auto-update feature in the future? So we don't get nodes a few versions behind the latest one?

Maybe like a pop-up or some scrolling text somewhere that states "an update is available" or something along those lines.

It was planned at the beginning but it might not be anymore...

Yeah I remember the talk from before...

Sad ...

I just was asking since I remember seeing that there was someone still on NRS 0.4.* and got people on 0.7.5/0.7.6/0.8.0e/etc. this morning on the active nodes...

Beware of centralization.

Yeah...auto-update: everyone gets the same bug at the same time.

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February 26, 2014, 11:40:55 PM
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Does the NRS have plans for an auto-update feature in the future? So we don't get nodes a few versions behind the latest one?

Maybe like a pop-up or some scrolling text somewhere that states "an update is available" or something along those lines.

It was planned at the beginning but it might not be anymore...

Yeah I remember the talk from before...

Sad ...

I just was asking since I remember seeing that there was someone still on NRS 0.4.* and got people on 0.7.5/0.7.6/0.8.0e/etc. this morning on the active nodes...

Beware of centralization.

Yeah...auto-update: everyone gets the same bug at the same time.

doesn't even have to be an automatic-update just something to inform people an update is available. People could then decide to use it or wait but at least know an update is out there.

Like how on the top of btt forums it says "News: Bitcoin 0.8.6 is now available. Download. (https://bitcoin.org/bin/0.8.6/)" Something like that. Not everyone uses the Bitcoin-qt(I use Mulitibit) but for the people that do they show an update is out to download.

As I remember from the beginning

Well, guys. Here are some Best practices:

1. Do NOT use very old versions. "0.2.3" can include expired transactions into blocks, which will never be accepted by "0.2.9" leading to independent forks.
2. Do NOT set very short deadline. If a blockchain reorganization happens expired transactions won't be included into blocks.
3. Do NOT send the same transactions twice. The network is fragmented and ur node can lose a message with ur transaction (it's processed only if sent back), but it still can be visible by other nodes. Resend the transaction only if it's not confirmed and expired.

And don't forget what CONFIRMATION are for. 10 confirmations ~ 1 Bitcoin confirmation. Blockchain reorg can happen up to 720 blocks back. If u receive big amounts it's better to check the coins are on ur balance after 720 confirmations.


which is why I always thought by the mindset of its best to be on the latest NRS.
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