NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[CIYAM]

They don't explicitly state that non-unique aliases (aka names) won't work but I have a feeling that at any given time u must have unique aliases or routing will be broken. How uniqueness of aliases is achieved - another question.

Routing is not broken if you have unique identities (i.e. names that don't look like names).

TOR does exactly this for .onion services (those look a bit like Bitcoin addresses).

Are you claiming that TOR .onion services "don't work"?

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[CIYAM]

Again - it was written in 2004 and TOR has already proven itself for years.

If we "needed unique aliases" in order to "do things on the internet" then "why do we have Bitcoin?" (surely it can't work as it doesn't have "unique aliases" but instead "unreadable addresses").

[TwinWinNerD]

They don't explicitly state that non-unique aliases (aka names) won't work but I have a feeling that at any given time u must have unique aliases or routing will be broken. How uniqueness of aliases is achieved - another question.

Routing is not broken if you have unique identities (i.e. names that don't look like names).

TOR does exactly this for .onion services (those look a bit like Bitcoin addresses).

Are you claiming that TOR .onion services "don't work"?

Aren't those .onion and BTC addresses also unique? Maybe not pretty, but unique nonetheless?

[CIYAM]

Aren't those .onion and BTC addresses also unique? Maybe not pretty, but unique nonetheless?

Yes - the issue I have with Aliases is they are not like Bitcoin addresses - if they were then I'd have no problem at all with them.

If we changed all Aliases to be say SHA256 hashes then I would have zero complaint.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Routing is not broken if you have unique identities (i.e. names that don't look like names).

TOR does exactly this for .onion services (those look a bit like Bitcoin addresses).

Are you claiming that TOR .onion services "don't work"?

So u r against unique people-readable names but not against machine-readable ones. Got it, now ur idea looks less utopian.

[CIYAM]

So u r against unique people-readable names but not against machine-readable ones. Got it, now ur idea looks less utopian.

Yes - I am looking for "practical solutions" that support "decentralisation" rather than ideas that support "name squatting and scamming".

And I think .onion paved the way.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Yes - I am looking for "practical solutions".

And I think .onion paved the way.

Yet ppl were trying to generate "vanity" ids...

[TwinWinNerD]

So u r against unique people-readable names but not against machine-readable ones. Got it, now ur idea looks less utopian.

Yes - I am looking for "practical solutions" that support "decentralisation" rather than ideas that support "name squatting and scamming".

And I think .onion paved the way.

One problem i see with this is phishing.  We would need a WOT for that, or smthg like that

[CIYAM]

Yet ppl were trying to generate "vanity" ids...

True (and I have one myself) - interestingly "firstbits" is no longer supported by blockchain.info (nor anyone else I think).

This is perhaps a "good sign" that we are "fighting our own tendencies" in trying to *not do that*.

[CIYAM]

One problem i see with this is phishing.  We would need a WOT for that, or smthg like that

And PGP/GPG has already showed us how to that also.

IMO if we "look at what has worked" and "what is working" and then try and "join the pieces" we'll be able to provide the *solutions* much faster than if we go around just re-inventing the wheel.

[4emily]

Hi Guys,

Newbie problem/question so please bear with me

I installed the windows version of the NXT client yesterday from http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/ and funded it with a small amount of NXT. I now can't find it on my PC. There's no reference to it in the programs folder where I would have expected to find it and no link on the desktop or in the tray at the bottom of the screen. When I do a search of my PC all I can find is the NXTWallet-Win Zip folder. My OS is Windows XP.

Where's the client gone? 

TIA for any help. 

[TwinWinNerD]

One problem i see with this is phishing.  We would need a WOT for that, or smthg like that

And PGP/GPG has already showed us how to that also.

Yes, but we are talking about a broader audience. Can't imagine, that this will work for them.

[TwinWinNerD]

Hi Guys,

Newbie problem/question so please bear with me

I installed the windows version of the NXT client yesterday from http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/ and funded it with a small amount of NXT. I now can't find it on my PC. There's no reference to it in the programs folder where I would have expected to find it and no link on the desktop or in the tray at the bottom of the screen. When I do a search of my PC all I can find is the NXTWallet-Win Zip folder. My OS is Windows XP.

Where's the client gone? 

TIA for any help. 

Do you still have the password? then your funds are safe!

[CIYAM]

Yes, but we are talking about a broader audience. Can't imagine, that this will work for them.

The main problem with PGP/GPG currently is a UI problem (most people find it a bit intimidating to use).

There are simple ways that we could *fix* that - imagine you meet someone and exchange QR codes with your smartphones as a way of "exchanging business cards".

You don't need to see "nasty long unreadable ids" and nor does your friend - you just exchange QR codes and verify some small hashes and let the software do the rest for you.

[TwinWinNerD]

Yes, but we are talking about a broader audience. Can't imagine, that this will work for them.

The main problem with PGP/GPG currently is a UI problem (most people find it a bit intimidating to use).

There are simple ways that we could *fix* that - imagine you meet someone and exchange QR codes with your smartphones as a way of "exchanging business cards".

Hmm, that could work. Everything that a computer illiterate can do is perfect for adpotion of the broad mass.

[wesleyh]

Hi Guys,

Newbie problem/question so please bear with me

I installed the windows version of the NXT client yesterday from http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/ and funded it with a small amount of NXT. I now can't find it on my PC. There's no reference to it in the programs folder where I would have expected to find it and no link on the desktop or in the tray at the bottom of the screen. When I do a search of my PC all I can find is the NXTWallet-Win Zip folder. My OS is Windows XP.

Where's the client gone? 

TIA for any help. 

Do you still have the password? then your funds are safe!

Your program is wherever you unpacked the zip file. It does not install itself in program files or add shortcuts.

[CIYAM]

Hmm, that could work. Everything that a computer illiterate can do is perfect for adpotion of the broad mass.

I can assure you that a PGP/GPG public key (without things like a photo included) can fit into a single QR code as the CIYAM Safe uses this already.

[TwinWinNerD]

Hi Guys,

Newbie problem/question so please bear with me

I installed the windows version of the NXT client yesterday from http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/ and funded it with a small amount of NXT. I now can't find it on my PC. There's no reference to it in the programs folder where I would have expected to find it and no link on the desktop or in the tray at the bottom of the screen. When I do a search of my PC all I can find is the NXTWallet-Win Zip folder. My OS is Windows XP.

Where's the client gone? 

TIA for any help. 

Do you still have the password? then your funds are safe!

Your program is wherever you unpacked the zip file. It does not install itself in program files or add shortcuts.

So basically if he ran it directly out of the zip, then it is/was only stored in the %TEMP% folder. Just reinstall it then and save it this time, then you should be fine!

[TwinWinNerD]

Hmm, that could work. Everything that a computer illiterate can do is perfect for adpotion of the broad mass.

I can assure you that a PGP/GPG public key (without things like a photo included) can fit into a single QR code as the CIYAM Safe uses this already.

Ok, but a PGP key is roughly about 450 chars right? Wouldn't that be bigger than the recommended 300, for not so high resolution devices/cameras?

[CIYAM]

Ok, but a PGP key is roughly about 450 chars right? Wouldn't that be bigger than the recommended 300, for not so high resolution devices/cameras?

A PGP/GPG public key is much bigger than that (as it normally uses RSA style public keys) but if we use the EC that Nxt uses then the public key itself would be just 256 bits (so I am not saying that we need to use PGP/GPG but that we should consider the way it does things in terms of creating your own trust network).

Signed messages will be bigger than the public key of course but I think would still be small enough to be handled by most smart phones these days (and we are planning here for the future so I don't think it is a huge concern if we are aiming at the next generation of such devices).