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I commented on the FBI vs. Apple (iPhone) encryption matter elsewhere a couple of days ago. It pains me to see that NONE of the R-Team guys stood up for Apple at the debate Thursday evening.
Of course Apple is correct. Building a back door will not only weaken Apple's OS, but would FOR SURE be copied and used by all manner of LE in any dumb investigation they feel like. That software would make it to CHINA and RUSSIA too, FBI assurances (hah!) notwithstanding.
Strong Encryption ought to be considered a fundamental right IMO. That would also fit into your ideas of a Knowledge Age.
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You are probably correct about Argentina because ingrained culture doesn't die quickly. But one factor is the internet and the spread of information. Perhaps there is an educated core in Argentina that has seen the light. Nevertheless the privatization President only won by a slim margin. So you are probably correct about the cyclical aspect will remain. Thanks for that clarification.
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The coming Knowledge Age will likely also be an age of righteousness. I think you wrote before in the Economic Devastation thread about how society is a balance between preventing people from doing actions that opt-out and harm the collective well-being balanced against the society becoming too totalitarian and imploding. ... What high IQ people miss is apparently that God doesn't have to be a factual truth in order for religion to be an optimum strategy for society. Thus they aren't as high IQ as they think they are, haha.
In Justification for New World Order: Part 1, 2, 3, 4 I argued the following. In human interactions we often face a choice between cooperation (reaching a mutually beneficial exchange) and defection (advancement of ourselves to the detriment of our fellow man).
Collectivism exists because it limits defection especially those forms of defection linked to physical violence. Collectivism is expensive and inefficient. However, the inefficiencies associated with collectivism are less (at least historically) than the inefficiencies that come from the violence and defections that occur in an environment of unrestrained individualism.
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There is no such thing as complete freedom except for the state of nature as described by Hobbs. In every other scenario the best we can achieve is a partial freedom. We agree to some limitations of our freedoms to maximize our ability to prosper and cooperate while minimizing individual freedom to coerce, and defect.
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The evolution of the social contract appears to be a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. I suspect that in the future republics will be consumed by world government, world government will evolve into decentralized government, and decentralized government will finally mature into a shared consensus among individuals with limited or no government.
Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity while lowering the number of individuals able to defect. To borrow from the links in the opening post each iteration increases the amount of entropy the system can sustainably support.
Charlton argues that religion is the proximate method of Group Selection in humans specifically he argues that religion enhances social cohesion enabling larger and more complex forms of social functioning. Religion appears to be a primary driver of evolution facilitating our progressive climb to more complex social systems via the stimulation and enforcement of motivation, altruism, and long-termism. If Individual humans are adapted to live in a context of religion. It is logical absent religion human behavior becomes maladaptive. Could a shared consensus among individuals ever replace centralized government? Such a society would require a powerful and healthy moral code upheld and enforced by all with both belief and reverence. Perhaps the very religious have more to teach us then we realize. ... Suggesting that intellectual mindsets are necessary to create behaviours relies on our intellect being our ruling aspect. This does not seem true. The intellect is never a truly objective entity and will always interact with subjective reality. ... On reflection, it seems some arguments are based on the assumption that the intellect is the base cause for behaviour or morals. This seems a weak point and has no necessary validity. ...
Let's examine base human behavior and morals when you strip away all "intellectual mindsets" In a base state each person would have a right, or license, to everything in the world. There is no centralized authority and no external recourse against violence, coercion, or defection. Thomas Hobbes envisioned this as, a "war of all against all" In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. Now it is likely that we do have a 'built in' primitive moral code that allows us without any preconceptions to escape Hobbs baseline. This code is one of tribalism. http://www.uvm.edu/~pdodds/files/papers/others/1993/dunbar1993a.pdfPrimates are, above all, social animals. This has inevitably led to the suggestion that such intense sociality is functionally related to the exceptional cognitive abilities of these animals, as reflected in their unusually large brains (Jolly 1969, Humphrey 1976, Kummer 1982, Byrne & Whiten 1988). This claim is supported by the finding that mean group size is directly related to relative neocortical volume in nonhuman primates (Sawaguchi & Kudo 1990, Dunbar 1992a). These analyses suggest that although the size of the group in which animals live in a given habitat is a function of habitat-specific ecologically-determined costs and benefits (see for example Dunbar 1988, 1992b), there is a species-specific upper limit to group size which is set by purely cognitive constraints: animals cannot maintain the cohesion and integrity of groups larger than a size set by the information- processing capacity of their neocortex. (Red colorization mine.) (Blue colorization mine.) It is in maintaining social cohesion in groups larger then the information- processing capacity of our neocortex where "intellectual mindsets" are required. The role of these is to maximize individual freedom to build wealth, prosperity and happiness via cooperation while minimizing individual freedom to prosper from coercion, violence and defection. I think most people understand moral codes...
People who rely on their native or built-in moral code are more likely to have a positive affect on their local social group than people who rely on dogmatic moral strictures.
Our native built-in moral code may be helpful for daily decisions within local social groups but there is little reason to think it functional when dealing with those outside our local social groups. Your error is your continued insistence to lay the limitations of humanity on the doorstep of religion when in actual fact religion is a critical and perhaps primary mechanism for overcoming these limitations.
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Join the stock market boys... the Economy will be quadruple by 2030. There will be no Economic failure.
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The coming Knowledge Age will likely also be an age of righteousness. [...] Your error is your continued insistence to lay the limitations of humanity on the doorstep of religion when in actual fact religion is a critical and perhaps primary mechanism for overcoming these limitations.
Since the religion of government and socialism will have failed us, I suspect the new religion will be one of rewarding digital intellectual property rights despite the fact that everything digital can be freely copied, because in the Knowledge Age the Theory of the Firm breaks down and the individual relies on the income from his own production. Yet the Knowledge Age is all about sharing. The new righteousness is about individual reputation in the new culture of sharing to banish defectors who would destroy the economic paradigm of the new age. Religions are borne out of necessity. This directly impacts for example what should be the correct designs for file sharing paradigms (why I have stated that MaidSafe, Storj, Sia, etc are all flawed because they are designed for stealing not respecting producers). P.S. Feel free to quote me to the other thread. I can't keep up reading and posting in both threads.
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The coming Knowledge Age will likely also be an age of righteousness. [...] Your error is your continued insistence to lay the limitations of humanity on the doorstep of religion when in actual fact religion is a critical and perhaps primary mechanism for overcoming these limitations.
Since the religion of government and socialism will have failed us, I suspect the new religion will be one of rewarding digital intellectual property rights despite the fact that everything digital can be freely copied, because in the Knowledge Age the Theory of the Firm breaks down and the individual relies on the income from his own production. Yet the Knowledge Age is all about sharing. The new righteousness is about individual reputation in the new culture of sharing to banish defectors who would destroy the economic paradigm of the new age. Religions are borne out of necessity. This directly impacts for example what should be the correct designs for file sharing paradigms (why I have stated that MaidSafe, Storj, Sia, etc are all flawed because they are designed for stealing not respecting producers). P.S. Feel free to quote me to the other thread. I can't keep up reading and posting in both threads. The young, indoctrinated thieves of Socialism are burning down the society right here in our own block chain arena.
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March 06, 2016, 02:16:36 AM |
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An ongoing court case centering on encryption has thrown light upon the total incompetence of those in power. And this is not just about the USA and its legal system, it calls into question the fitness for purpose of every government currently in place.
First, understand that without privacy, there can be no private property...
Now you understand why MA says we may descend into a 600 year Dark Age, if we don't find some way to overthrow the current political structure. I don't mean to be rude but what would be a better political structure than the one we currently have? I know there are multiple forms that are better, but which ones specifically would be actually viable in a real-world scenario? You could argue that anarchy, in the without rulers sense, would be good, but at the same time it would hold back technological progress. The solution is to minimize the size of government, no matter what form politics takes. I believe the key to doing that lies in a technological solution that will empower the Knowledge Age. The government can't muck with taxing microtransactions, for then they would tax everyone, not just the middle class. The current political structure is sustained by stealing from the middle class to subsidize the unproductive class, and pile on debt since real estate is the primary driver of the economy (and incomes). We need to make high tech work the primary driver of the economy and end the fixed capital investment Industrial Age. The person who invents this technology will be a $100 billionaire and eclipse Bill Gates et al. Read my latest posts in the Economic Devastation thread.
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March 10, 2016, 02:52:10 PM |
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There is no public property
Who owns the atmosphere we breathe.
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At the very 1st, I’d favor to state thanks to you for this enlightening article. Second, I'd prefer to wonder wherever I can learn a lot more info concerning your post. I arrived right here via Bing and can't discover any associated web websites connected to this matter. How do I sign for your web blog? I had prefer awriter.org to stick to your updates as they arrive along! I'd a query to interrogate but I forgot what it absolutely was... anyways, thank you very much.
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they are all very bad. I think the plan of the powers that be is to start a civil war in USA The people are so divided right now, politically and ethnically, they just need the right false flag and it's done
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I favor Chile. Good personal liberty, climate, education levels, and some nice natural resources (copper, lithium, &c). Very long flights however.
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate.
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I just noticed your:
"Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate."
A lot like winning a block or waiting on a confirmation!
MUY BUENO
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I favor Chile. Good personal liberty, climate, education levels, and some nice natural resources (copper, lithium, &c). Very long flights however.
A free market. Socialism can never provide that. Never. See even my breakdown of directing voting in the Mad Max thread. Similarly I broke down your argument for centralized sound money.
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I favor Chile. Good personal liberty, climate, education levels, and some nice natural resources (copper, lithium, &c). Very long flights however.
A free market. Socialism can never provide that. Never. I don't think socialism can stop it. Not for long anyhow. I also don't think Chile can be properly categorized as a socialist state. It has some socialist characteristics, as do most advanced systems, such as one might actually wish to live amongst, but I doubt they would ever interfere with my own freedom as more than a minor inconvenience. Anyhow, my wife will never move to Chile, so neither will I. Pure armchair talk for me. I do like the survivability of the Southern Hemisphere. And fascist Australia is no option. I broke down your argument for centralized sound money.
Attaboy. Anyhow, there will be centralized sound money. Among many other competing kinds. So I don't think it needs my advocacy, nor is it deeply vulnerable to your critique. How about this for a stalking horse: Taxation is nearing its end of life. Future government spending, including a guaranteed basic income, will be accomplished by money supply inflation. This is actually inevitable, because debt-backed money is intrinsically unstable, and government is intrinsically incapable of operating profitably without extortion under a hard currency or debt-based system. The locally stable end-point is monetary financing.
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At the very 1st, I’d favor to state thanks to you for this enlightening article. Second, I'd prefer to wonder wherever I can learn a lot more info concerning your post. I arrived right here via Bing and can't discover any associated web websites connected to this matter. How do I sign for your web blog? I had prefer awriter.org to stick to your updates as they arrive along! I'd a query to interrogate but I forgot what it absolutely was... anyways, thank you very much. Hi rokki welcome I am not the author of the two articles highlighted in the opening post. They were written by Anonymint who now goes by the handle TPTB_need_war. You are the first person say they arrived here from Bing. Until recently this thread only came up on google searches but I just checked and see it comes up on Bing now too. As of right now neither myself or Anonymint has an active web blog. Anonymint mostly confines his musings and insights here though I believe he is also sometimes active on Reddit as well. This thread is somewhat massive and has benefited from many very intelligent posters who have visited and contributed to the discussion. I have tried to highlight some of the major themes in my addendum to the opening post as well as in the CoinCube highlights section. Those are probably the best place to start to get up to speed.
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rokki, CoinCube has been generalizing my musings to comprise more sociology, biology, and evolutionary theory and economics. He can probably reiterate a link to his new thread, which also contains some back links to upthread discussion. I am having difficulty keeping up lately due to a focus on the following (and on treating my chronic health issue): I think you leaving this forum would be a loss. I know you are a "true believer", and there are very fewer people of that mindset left in crypto. It's nice to see someone sticking to their convictions.
I'm still reading. I just don't want to fight the same argumentative battles over and over again. This forum is victor to least weary. A battle of attrition by one man trying to argue with a continuous stream of newbies, is just an insane waste of productivity that could be more valuable if applied on development work. I know you are a "true believer", and there are very fewer people of that mindset left in crypto.
I do not believe we can make a system that is resistant to government. What I am shooting for now is to make a system that is so fucking popular and also decentralized, that it becomes the political choice. And hoping the people then say to the government, "don't touch my internet, I like it the way it is now where I can pay anyone anytime without permission or interference".
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I favor Chile. Good personal liberty, climate, education levels, and some nice natural resources (copper, lithium, &c). Very long flights however.
I've been living in Buenos Aires since October. Lovely summer here which is now slowly coming to an end. Chile and Uruguay were my 2nd and 3rd choices. The Southern Cone is highly livable and free compared to the rest of the continent. Article 19 of the Argentinian (I only use Argentine as the demonym) constitution : "The private actions of men that in no way offend public order or morality, nor injure a third party, are reserved only to God, and are exempt from the authority of the magistrates. No inhabitant of the Nation shall be compelled to do what the law does not order, or be deprived of what it does not forbid." Of course theory and practice have often differed, but it feels free here. I do like the survivability of the Southern Hemisphere. And fascist Australia is no option. Certain simulations show a nuclear war in the Northern Hemisphere would result in much lower levels of fallout down here thanks to the equatorial doldrums. The Southern Hemisphere is entirely nuclear weapon free by treaty except for remote territories of countries such as the UK (e.g. Ascension Island which hosts an NSA SIGINT base).
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Mouse UtopiaIn 1968 Dr. Calhoun created 'Mouse Utopia' a large fixed environment with unlimited food, and water, free of disease and predators intermittently cleaned and regularly resupplied. Four pairs of mice were introduced into the 'utopia' on July 9 1968. Initially they thrived exhibiting exponential growth then something changed. http://tomax7.com/HeyGod/misc/MousePopulationStudy.PDFAs the unusually large number of young gained adulthood they had to remain,and they did contest for roles in the filed social system. Males who failed withdrew physically and psychologically; they became very inactive and aggregated in large pools near the centre of the floor of the universe. From this point on they no longer initiated interaction with their established associates,nor did their behavior elicit attack by the most territorial males. Even so, they became characterized by many wounds and much scar tissue as a result of attacks by other withdrawn males.
As a result of the extreme demands made on territorial males their ability to continue territorial defence declined. Gradually the frequency of this involvement in territorial defence declined as did the area defended. This left nursing females more exposed to invasion of their nest sites. Normally nursing females in the presence of territorial males exhibit little aggression. However, in response to invasion of nest sites and bases of ramps leading to them, the nursing females did become aggressive, essentially taking over the role of the territorial males. This aggression generalized to their own young who were attacked, wounded, and forced to leave home several days before normal weaning.
Maternal behavior became disrupted. Young were often wounded in the delivery process. Females transported their young to several sites, during which process some were abandoned. Many liters of young age on one survey disappeared before the next survey.
Population increase abruptly ceased on Day 560 after colonization. A few mice born up until Day 600 survived past weaning. Between these times deaths just slightly exceeded births. Beyond Day 600 the incidence of pregnancies declined very rapidly. Last conception was about Day 920.
Male counterparts to these non-reproducing females we soon dubbed the 'beautiful ones'. They never engaged in sexual approaches toward females, and they never engaged in fighting, and so they had no wound or scar tissue. Their behavioral repertoire became largely confined to eating, drinking, sleeping and grooming, none of which carried any social implications beyond that represented by contiguity of bodies.
Most of the last of the population born were fully or largely like these non-reproducing females and these 'beautiful ones'(males). At this time only the 'beautiful one' category of males, and their counter part females, remained at an age normally compatible with reproduction, but they had long since failed to develop this capacity.
By March 1 1972, the average age of survivors was 776 days, over 200 days beyond menopause. On June 22 1972, there were only 122 (22male,100female) survivors. Projection of the prior few months of exponential decline in numbers indicates that the last surviving male will be dead on May 23 1973,1780 days after colonization.The population will be, reproductively,definitely dead at that time, although such death was predicted by 700 days after colonization. This demise of a population contradicts prior knowledge which indicates that when a population declines a few remnant groups, some individuals will reinitiate its growth.
The results obtained in this study should be obtained when customary causes of mortality become markedly reduced in any species of mammal whose members form social groups.
Prior theory indicated that a population in this type of environment would stabilize not go extinct. So why did it the mice in 'mouse utopia' die off? Some have argued that increasing mutation load is the cause but I find such arguments unpersuasive. Dr. Calhoun created an environment that destroyed the social structure and social behaviors of mice. This led to their extinction. Biology is often conserved and there is a simple biological model that expanded and extrapolated might account for the extinction seen in mouse utopia. That model is one of cellular apoptosis. This experiment provides a contextual framework for the observations and papers upthread showing that both active group involvement in religious organizations and active group involvement in secular organizations are associated with health benefits.
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In 1968 Dr. Calhoun created 'Mouse Utopia' a large fixed environment with unlimited food, and water, free of disease and predators intermittently cleaned and regularly resupplied.
In short let me summarize this article if you are too lazy to read it: Communists and Socialists will destroy humanity if they succeed!
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In 1968 Dr. Calhoun created 'Mouse Utopia' a large fixed environment with unlimited food, and water, free of disease and predators intermittently cleaned and regularly resupplied.
In short let me summarize this article if you are too lazy to read it: Communists and Socialists will destroy humanity if they succeed!Socialism cannot be stopped for the reasons briefly touched on in Understand Everything Fundamentally. Attempts at education will also fail in the short term because the fundamental economic forces favor socialism. Socialism is pushing us towards centralized global government which while inefficient is decisively more efficient then multiple feuding centralized nations. The evolution of the social contract appears to be a progressive climb to higher potential energy systems with increased degrees of freedom. The state of nature begat tribalism. Tribalism grew into despotism. Despotism advanced into monarchy. Monarchies were replaced by republics. I suspect that in the future republics will be consumed by world government, world government will evolve into decentralized government, and decentralized government will finally mature into a shared consensus among individuals with limited or no government.
Each iteration has a common theme for each advance increases the number of individuals able to engage in cooperative activity.
In my multiple debates with Anonymint I recall one instance when he decisively got the better of me. It was a discussion regarding socialism and I was arguing it should be opposed. His handle was iamback at the time. In what way are these mutually exclusive? Provided one does not neglect personal decentralized self-sufficiency why shouldn't a rational actor in our current environment also participate in the local collective and attempt to restrain said collective. To do otherwise is to yield the floor to those who will make decentralized self-sufficiency more difficult to achieve.
Because you will waste time and effort that could have been used to actually achieve it without being slave (dependent) on what the State does. And you will not stop the State from spiraling into the abyss, because the majority is going to demand expropriation. You can't suddenly change the situation of the majority. The majority has no other option and all the (political or even violent) fighting you do can't give them another option. The economic reality and trajectory was written into stone decades ago. It can't be altered. The economic reality is what it is. My advice to everyone is pay off all your debt because in a deflationary collapse that is underway (see oil under $50 today!) the government can take your assets and leave you with debt to pay but no assets to pay with. And debtor's prisons are returning. Even though I was reduced to near pauper, I prioritized paying off my credit card debts in 2014 and did pay $20,000 of it off for less than $10,000 by accepting best offers for negotiated settlement. I only have about $2000 of debt remaining (except that my ex took out a $25,000 student loan recently and I don't know if the USA will try to pin that on me). Also radically reduce the risk to unjust IRS audits and assessments, because these will become more common. Also radically reduce the risk to lawsuits, because these will become more common as westerners get desperate. Then the next priority is to align your vocation with the Knowledge Age and so you have income even during global economic collapse and your skills are transportable to any location you might choose to move to as the chaos takes form. Anonymint's advice was correct but incomplete. When you couple a mechanism of progressive and increasing dependency (socialism) with a fundamentally unsustainable financial system (fractional reserve fiat) the probable result is a system who's declared role is helping the poor but who's insolvency dictates policies geared towards sterilization. Such a result requires a certain degree of cognitive dissonance and a government who believes it is helping you while it works to ensure you do not reproduce. Toxicity of the Modern World In Brave New World, Aldous Huxley envisioned a future where the masses were rendered infertile and controlled with pleasure and drugs. Is that the world we live in now? Anyone over that age of 25 may not realize how far traditional courtship and dating has been undermined by modernity. The tinder generation is being conditioned to swipe right on their onscreen app and meet up later for random sexual gratification. This phenomena has been described by Vanity Fair as nothing less than a dating apocalypse. In Colorado long acting implantable contraceptives which a render women infertile for up to 10 years and require a doctor’s visit to remove have been implanted in 26% of young women age 15-24 as of 2013. In 2015 an advisory body to the US Department of Health and Human Services recommended that Medicaid examine how often doctors are using “most effective” or “moderately effective” contraception. Only contraception deemed “highly effective” or “moderately effective” (Long acting implantable or long acting injections) would be included in the proposed measurement. Doctor’s with a low percentage of young patients using such contraception would presumably be rated as giving lower quality care. We appear to be living in a “Utopia” of declining fitness and capability. An age of existential exhaustion manifested by an ageing, hedonistic society characterized by declining marriage, and near zero children. Add to this data the very real possibility of more direct government action. The Catholic church in Kenya has accused the government of secretly injecting young women with an anti-fertility vaccine disguised as a tetanus vaccine. Either the Catholic bishops are lying or the Kenyan government is. http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/01/19/kenyan-bishops-call-for-no-more-tetanus-vaccines-until-further-tests/The situation can be looked at abstractly as the sudden and dramatic restoration of extreme selective pressure on mankind. Unlike our ancient history when we were subjected to violence, starvation, and disease the new pressure comes in the form of dependence, hedonism, and sterilization. As a species we have never been subjected to this kind of pressure before and are likely to be highly susceptible. Halting the reimposition of selective pressure is economically impossible and perhaps even inadvisable for it is the restoration of selective pressure that will ultimately prevent 'mouse utopia'. Astute individuals can avoid 'government help' by actively working to avoid dependency a task that will become increasingly difficult with time. Intellectual adaptability alone is not enough. It is also necessary to resist the decadence, hedonism, and social decay peddled by modernity. In Atheism and Health I argued that faith provides the best chance of success but other strategies may also be viable. Socialism will burn itself out gradually over time. Until it does the best course of action is avoidance of the inferno. It is the ashes of socialism that will pave the way for the knowledge age outlined in The Rise of Knowledge. When dealing with the proponents of socialism the proper emotion is not anger but pity.
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