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March 26, 2014, 02:43:03 AM
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oh wow

The Secret Behind Obama's Nuke Fear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCF5lcewnt0

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March 26, 2014, 03:41:01 AM
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The petition for Alaska's joining Russia, that was published on the pages of White House has gathered about 22000 votes. It needs to have 100000 votes until the 20th of April before it can receive an official reaction from the US government.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/alaska-back-russia/SFG1ppfN

EDIT: almost 23000 votes already and counting, and it's only been going for a few days.
EDIT 2: 24000 a couple of hours later...
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25K+ now. Looks like the Alaskans are pretty p****d off with Obama.


Its time for Putin to rescue the oppressed Alaskans.  Smiley

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March 26, 2014, 07:46:16 AM
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And by the way, general consensus in the Russian population is that sanctions (especially in the banking and foods sector) would be good for Russia, forcing the government to finally build up domestic production and generally become more centred on domestic needs.

Russia imports almost everything and exports only Petroleum, Gas and Metals.

So the options will be:

1. Import everything from China
2. Reduce imports, rise excise duty and encourage domestic production.

The 2nd option seems the better one for me. But it is up to Putin to decide.
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March 26, 2014, 08:49:34 AM
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And by the way, general consensus in the Russian population is that sanctions (especially in the banking and foods sector) would be good for Russia, forcing the government to finally build up domestic production and generally become more centred on domestic needs.

Russia imports almost everything and exports only Petroleum, Gas and Metals.

So the options will be:

1. Import everything from China
2. Reduce imports, rise excise duty and encourage domestic production.

The 2nd option seems the better one for me. But it is up to Putin to decide.


I am also for option 2, and I see it as pretty likely. If real sanctions are imposed (especially with no other reason than "because we can"), Russians, a man in the street, will perceive it as US de-facto declaring war on Russia. And throughout time during outside aggression, Russians were prepared to cope with hardships, so in this case many peace-time unpopular measures would get support from the population, which switches to a war-time mindset.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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March 26, 2014, 09:52:38 AM
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A large minority of the super-rich Russians have an utter disregard for domestic products, such as cars (Lada.etc) and computers. Therefore they prefer the imports, especially from Germany and other EU nations. If the EU declares an embargo, it will force these idiots to buy the Russian products (or they can catch the next flight and go to London for their daily shopping).
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March 26, 2014, 10:00:09 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2_oE7Kbrio

Tags: Ukraine, Yatsenyuk, Schizophrenia
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March 26, 2014, 10:01:27 AM
Last edit: March 26, 2014, 10:34:24 AM by Nemo1024
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The petition for Alaska's joining Russia, that was published on the pages of White House has gathered about 22000 votes. It needs to have 100000 votes until the 20th of April before it can receive an official reaction from the US government.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/alaska-back-russia/SFG1ppfN

EDIT: almost 23000 votes already and counting, and it's only been going for a few days.
EDIT 2: 24000 a couple of hours later...
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25K+ now. Looks like the Alaskans are pretty p****d off with Obama.
26500+ and counting...  Tongue

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March 26, 2014, 10:22:56 AM
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26500+ and counting...  Tongue

They need 100,000 votes before April 20. Plenty of time and looks possible.
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March 26, 2014, 10:27:32 AM
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26500+ and counting...  Tongue

They need 100,000 votes before April 20. Plenty of time and looks possible.

thats BS tho, since a petition just has to reach 10k for being examined by the WH and be rejected. Justin Bieber wasnt expelled from the US with more than 250k signatures.  Cry
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March 26, 2014, 10:34:34 AM
Last edit: March 26, 2014, 11:06:32 AM by Nemo1024
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In the meantime in Ukraine:

Criminals in Kiev don't like the prosecutor of Crimea:
http://rt.com/news/prosecutor-poklonskaya-wanted-crimea-349/

The freedom of speech at its best:
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-court-bans-russian-tv-245/

On the same note, an ISP was beaten up almost to death and was forced to "apologise to the Ukrainian people" before cameras for providing access to Russian internet sites.

PS: For the laughs:
http://rt.com/politics/russian-church-island-alaska-341/
(I should probably start an "Meanwhile in Alaska" thread soon  Grin )

thats BS tho, since a petition just has to reach 10k for being examined by the WH and be rejected. Justin Bieber wasnt expelled from the US with more than 250k signatures.  Cry

That petition is just a political statement that US should look at its internal affairs and stop bothering the world. No one is going to give Alaska back to Russia, and Russia would most probably not want to have it back if it was on offer. There is enough strain managing Far Eastern territories as it is.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
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March 26, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
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LOL @ comments

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Hermann Hoffmann 26.03.2014 03:57
mrv 26.03.2014 03:40
The clowns in charge of the crazy house in Kiev made catastrophic mistakes after they took over power, now they double down by pushing even harder in the wrong direction, alienating the East/South even more and begging them to hold an annexation referendum to Russia.
  

Das Fuhrer Yats has it figured: Any wrong directions is right direction as long as I have EU/NATO and 'the progressive west' supporting and justifying his agenda.

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Hermann Hoffmann 26.03.2014 03:53
Timur Usman 26.03.2014 03:47
not so many comments on this one. you hypocrites have nothing to say?
  

There will be comments, what's the hurry? Meanwhile, we're waiting for Yats & co. to start burning books written in Russian language.

Cheesy Cheesy
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March 26, 2014, 12:31:53 PM
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The only true way to change the people at the top, is to change the people at the bottom.
Yep, but even if all the people are idealists, an ideology could be flawed. Ideological flaw will maintain a slow disruption of the political system. A conception of liberal democracy simply doesn't work as it proposed, because it leads to corporate monopoly and corruption. This way means that ordinary people have no right to participate in any decisions, only cheap illusion is available (Obama, McCain, Bush ==> same shit, nothing more than capital puppets). And it won't work in any other way...

Possible solution is to use an adaptation of democratic centralism conception for a mixed (both public and private owned) economy. Such system would be much more sustainable, if comparison will be performed in the identical conditions.

P.S. Something like this approach already tried in the RSFSR (New Economic Policy by Lenin) after the end of WW and Civil War. This policy allowed to archieve certain goals, a totally ruined economy very quickly recovered to pre-WW levels. China and Vietnam are trying to develop the similar systems now.
Highly recommended for watching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5uDdkkiJKE

It seems like they are trying to implement some kind of experimental bubble Cheesy
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March 26, 2014, 02:15:39 PM
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http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/i7q6ld/vladimir-putin-s-propaganda-machine---russia-today---liz-wahl

Wahl sucessfully trolled by S. Colbert  Cheesy
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March 26, 2014, 02:27:00 PM
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lmao
Liz Wahl. unemployed. pussy riot to become. Grin
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March 26, 2014, 02:47:13 PM
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Russian journalist Dmitrij Kiseljov, who hosts the large analytical Sunday editions of news program Vesti, was placed on the EU sanctions list, effectively blocking him from perusing is profession.

http://news.rambler.ru/24180327/

Hooray to freedom of speech!

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March 26, 2014, 04:00:19 PM
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I think the whole revolution in Ukraine was orchestrate by Russia for a few years,as it does in all of the countries in East Europe and they want to expand their influence closer to USA  http://voxxi.com/2014/02/28/russia-adds-military-bases-latin-america/

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March 26, 2014, 06:00:44 PM
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I think the whole revolution in Ukraine was orchestrate by Russia for a few years,as it does in all of the countries in East Europe and they want to expand their influence closer to USA  http://voxxi.com/2014/02/28/russia-adds-military-bases-latin-america/

Yeah, sure. Russia convinced Obama to pay Fascists 5 mill USD, while training militant thugs in war camps in Latvia, then it constantly forced the EU top brass to visit Maidan and spread out the word and the free buns.

Use Occam's razor. If there's a simpler explanation, then it's probably it. For the simple explanation, follow the money, and look at Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia, Tunis, Egypt, and Syria for the templates.


Brilliant!
"Who's 'we'? US does not have a conflict with Ukraine, Russia does? Are you Russian or American, Liz?"
Priceless!

And in other news:
Vigilantes harass pro-Russian ribbon wearers in Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/pro-russian-picket-ukraine-397/
It's been like this for some time there, right after the peaceful pro-EU-centric Maidan protest turn sour.
(Reminds me of Snatchers in Harry Potter book 7, you know, the thug hunting for impure-blooded wizards when the wizarding world was controlled by terrorists.)

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March 26, 2014, 07:20:14 PM
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That sign behind him, "Xтo любить MEH" ... Who loves men???
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March 26, 2014, 07:31:35 PM
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I suppose that it was "Xтo любить MEHE, зa мнoю", in Ukrainian. It's a call to follow him. But it's strongly suggested don't follow them.  Cheesy
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March 26, 2014, 07:40:30 PM
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Use Occam's razor. If there's a simpler explanation, then it's probably it. For the simple explanation, follow the money, and look at Yugoslavia, Iraq, Lybia, Tunis, Egypt, and Syria for the templates.

One of those US invaded for their own made up BS reasons. The others had their own spontaneous revolutions that the US was totally unaware of and unprepared for, and the CIA was embarased for not predicting. Guess which.
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