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[PilotofBTC]

I think it was a bit of a mistake for PBMinning to air this out in the open. Sure, old.man started it.

If as old.man stated he personally paid for some of the hash, I think that is more of an issue. If 100% of his hash is from referals, I would just cancel them all, and ban him. Of course, there is no way to know if he will do this again.

Choosing to be a thief, getting a key logger, putting it into a program, tricking people into d/l-ing and installing it, then stealing peoples bit coins from the info gleened from the key loggers is not an "accident". It is willfull and took forethought and planning. You can't get off with a "my bad".

That said, I trust PBMining to do the right thing. I would suggest they review their ToS wrt issues like this. I think cloudhashing has something in their ToS where your contract is terminated and you get no further payouts if they detect fraud.

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[rodeoclownicp]

Returning any hash power to Oldman could be seen as cooperation with a criminal as well; all we do know is that referral credits were made with a very malicious intent.  So far the best option I can see in the long-term is to store his payouts in a separate wallet until we are have a clearer answer on what to do with them, hopefully by someone with an understanding of the laws in his jurisdiction (Indonesia?).  The amount owing to the victims is very small compared to what he had built up.  It appears that his referrals amounted to about 2.6TH/s 751GHs, which is significant amount.

More opinions are welcome.  

edit: It also appears (from what I can see on the admin side) that all of his hash power is from referrals, with no purchases.  I will need help from one of my developers in getting the complete history since I can only see 100 referrals back, but since the end of April that is the case.  He joined in the middle of March.

omg pb...well there it is, this is who has our btc...we are fucked.... the laws in indonesia, are you kidding, theydo not apply to u unless you are in indonesia... not returning the difference makes you a criminal.... you and byt411 belong together...really? his referrals are a moot point, he never paid for referrals (really!!! this is insane i wish i never saw this) referall reward??? really?no pb referals are gone,just gone do what u want with them- who cares---his contract btc is his minus what he stole- since it seems the new contract concept in the form of the amount that is left over after victims are paid back is complicated just send the thief back what is his after everybody is paid back from the original purchase amount- holding somebodies btc till you think you know what another countries laws are is fucked- it doesnt even make sense-

see the word initial

"so here it is- you wait till you are sure all victims have been discovered and reimbursed then you take his initial investment lets say 5btc .......... 5btc - btc paid back to victims - btc earned mining = amount old man gets back

lets be clear about 1 thing ... u keep that dudes money your a thief now,,, doing the right thing is the exact opposite as cooperating with a thief...

[rodeoclownicp]

I think it was a bit of a mistake for PBMinning to air this out in the open. Sure, old.man started it.

If as old.man stated he personally paid for some of the hash, I think that is more of an issue. If 100% of his hash is from referals, I would just cancel them all, and ban him. Of course, there is no way to know if he will do this again.

Choosing to be a thief, getting a key logger, putting it into a program, tricking people into d/l-ing and installing it, then stealing peoples bit coins from the info gleened from the key loggers is not an "accident". It is willfull and took forethought and planning. You can't get off with a "my bad".

That said, I trust PBMining to do the right thing. I would suggest they review their ToS wrt issues like this. I think cloudhashing has something in their ToS where your contract is terminated and you get no further payouts if they detect fraud.

i second... total common sense here.. pay attention...  stealing doesnt justify stealing

[the.old.man]

firstly i purchase contract with pbmining https://blockchain.info/tx/86098ca269d8f31183c9b91652c33cc87ac355590aa64ec8f4bc3f248d6a8045

and I would like to add my power hashes. and I sold all my GHS cex.io and moved completely to pbmining and withdraw from this transaction cex.io

transaction withdraw from cex.io https://blockchain.info/tx/467f4fbedd418432ee491a41b553a96e269b5ecbba4a27abbbfa7fef733365d2

and then I bought the full withdrawal of all btc of my cex.io to moved with pbmining. the price around 0.0056 every 1 GHS
this transaction when buy contract with pbmining

https://blockchain.info/tx/8cff2c1e03322dbf467e7d60d7624aee2f630fa689567346c53d1e36d198a924

and this document of picture when my first contract active with my own money
http://s3.postimg.org/hugb204ir/7cc6e748060119ef6913b0cb5c0f6863.jpg

and when i received my first paidout from pbmining i create full good review and bring all people in my country to moved from cex.io to pbmining
http://s29.postimg.org/twedhexg7/432.png
this thread
http://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/5349d6fdf9ca1750348b4724/cloud-mining-bitcoin-official-kaskus-on-pbmining-review-lengkap
i serve they all about pbmining full contact with me . because im really serious to get refferal of my account include dirrect chat BBM with me
and i get very great impression from people in my country
s30.postimg.org/oyr5l5x4h/gtdx.png

and from april until i still active to share pbmining and tell the best cloud mining
now my refferal still contact with me in bbm and chat about bitcoin investment.

and the beginning of June what the devil in my mind to think hack my refferals.
and i buy keylogger to get account pbmining . but just 1 or 2 people download it and log in .
and just one people the password of pbmining same with their email . the account name is andro3007

and i take payment andro3007 around 0.10 one time . because in the next payment the account name of andro3007 back to him again
and my account full freeze until now.


I admit I did something very stupid and should not be like that. I still have many dreams and plans in my bitcoin will not touch / try to find out about hacking again and actually I still need to pay the bills to the bank each month.
honestly it makes me so confused. and frustated. I swear to god.never do this again this case really makes me sad and feel bad right now


Edit : and i makes 2,6Ths active in my refferal and i believe many contract out there in my theead active without join my refferal , and no one have case or get hacked expect andro3007 because him one and only i can log in with he email

[PilotofBTC]

firstly i purchase contract with pbmining https://blockchain.info/tx/86098ca269d8f31183c9b91652c33cc87ac355590aa64ec8f4bc3f248d6a8045

and I would like to add my power hashes. and I sold all my GHS cex.io and moved completely to pbmining and withdraw from this transaction cex.io

transaction withdraw from cex.io https://blockchain.info/tx/467f4fbedd418432ee491a41b553a96e269b5ecbba4a27abbbfa7fef733365d2

and then I bought the full withdrawal of all btc of my cex.io to moved with pbmining. the price around 0.0056 every 1 GHS
this transaction when buy contract with pbmining

https://blockchain.info/tx/8cff2c1e03322dbf467e7d60d7624aee2f630fa689567346c53d1e36d198a924

and this document of picture when my first contract active with my own money
http://s3.postimg.org/hugb204ir/7cc6e748060119ef6913b0cb5c0f6863.jpg

and when i received my first paidout from pbmining i create full good review and bring all people in my country to moved from cex.io to pbmining
http://s29.postimg.org/twedhexg7/432.png
this thread
http://www.kaskus.co.id/thread/5349d6fdf9ca1750348b4724/cloud-mining-bitcoin-official-kaskus-on-pbmining-review-lengkap
i serve they all about pbmining full contact with me . because im really serious to get refferal of my account include dirrect chat BBM with me
and i get very great impression from people in my country
s30.postimg.org/oyr5l5x4h/gtdx.png

and from april until i still active to share pbmining and tell the best cloud mining
now my refferal still contact with me in bbm and chat about bitcoin investment.

and the beginning of June what the devil in my mind to think hack my refferals.
and i buy keylogger to get account pbmining . but just 1 or 2 people download it and log in .
and just one people the password of pbmining same with their email . the account name is andro3007

and i take payment andro3007 around 0.10 one time . because in the next payment the account name of andro3007 back to him again
and my account full freeze until now.


I admit I did something very stupid and should not be like that. I still have many dreams and plans in my bitcoin will not touch / try to find out about hacking again and actually I still need to pay the bills to the bank each month.
honestly it makes me so confused. and frustated. I swear to god.never do this again this case really makes me sad and feel bad right now

It's good that you feel bad and know you made a mistake. But that doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences. When people are caught doing stuff like this (hacking) they usually have to make full restitution (pay back all they stole) and they are still banned from participating in the activity for 1-3 years, or more, depending on the severity.

I wonder though, if you only feel bad about it because you got caught. If you didn't get caught, would have have fessed up, and returned the stolen funds, and tried to make amends on your own?  No don't answer that, it is a rhetorical question.

[PBmining]

Paying out the BTC for his referral contracts sounds like a pat on the back.  He will just continue the abuse of our system if we do that.  The best I can do at this moment is freeze the account until we get a clearer understanding of the damages involved, and help the victims as much as we can.

[PBmining]

I think it was a bit of a mistake for PBMinning to air this out in the open. Sure, old.man started it.

If as old.man stated he personally paid for some of the hash, I think that is more of an issue. If 100% of his hash is from referals, I would just cancel them all, and ban him. Of course, there is no way to know if he will do this again.

Choosing to be a thief, getting a key logger, putting it into a program, tricking people into d/l-ing and installing it, then stealing peoples bit coins from the info gleened from the key loggers is not an "accident". It is willfull and took forethought and planning. You can't get off with a "my bad".

That said, I trust PBMining to do the right thing. I would suggest they review their ToS wrt issues like this. I think cloudhashing has something in their ToS where your contract is terminated and you get no further payouts if they detect fraud.

i second... total common sense here.. pay attention...  stealing doesnt justify stealing

You are the only one in this conversation who mentioned the possibility of stealing.  Nobody recommended that.  One thing I know for sure, is that we are not going to be converting all of his referral contracts to BTC and sending them to him.  That, IMO, would be cooperating with a criminal and that would make us responsible for a much bigger problem.  

[PBmining]

Anyways, I believe we are doing the right thing with this situation as far as the temporary hold is concerned.  We still need some communicators so if anybody knows Indonesian (and fluent English) please let me know via PM.  If we don't find anyone through here then we may consider finding a professional translator.

[the.old.man]

Anyways, I believe we are doing the right thing with this situation as far as the temporary hold is concerned.  We still need some communicators so if anybody knows Indonesian (and fluent English) please let me know via PM.  If we don't find anyone through here then we may consider finding a professional translator.

I swear no one get hacked of my refferals expect andro3007 he one and only have problem and has ben solved dirrect with me and all has going good , you can check all my refferal all in good way without any issue because just him , only him . And indonesian thread in here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160758.0

[PBmining]

Anyways, I believe we are doing the right thing with this situation as far as the temporary hold is concerned.  We still need some communicators so if anybody knows Indonesian (and fluent English) please let me know via PM.  If we don't find anyone through here then we may consider finding a professional translator.

I swear no one get hacked of my refferals expect andro3007 he one and only have problem and has ben solved dirrect with me and all has going good , you can check all my refferal all in good way without any issue because just him , only him . And indonesian thread in here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160758.0

I just talked to the victim which you claimed to have paid back. He says you did not pay him back. Can you please PM me the transaction to show that you did?

[PBmining]

Anyways, I believe we are doing the right thing with this situation as far as the temporary hold is concerned.  We still need some communicators so if anybody knows Indonesian (and fluent English) please let me know via PM.  If we don't find anyone through here then we may consider finding a professional translator.

I swear no one get hacked of my refferals expect andro3007 he one and only have problem and has ben solved dirrect with me and all has going good , you can check all my refferal all in good way without any issue because just him , only him . And indonesian thread in here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160758.0

I have been dealing with users all week who have claimed to have their accounts hacked.  They all have the referrer "theoldman".  Anyways, if you are ready to be show some remorse rather than trying to sugar coat your actions, then please continue this conversation through e-mail or PM.

[androhide]

Anyways, I believe we are doing the right thing with this situation as far as the temporary hold is concerned.  We still need some communicators so if anybody knows Indonesian (and fluent English) please let me know via PM.  If we don't find anyone through here then we may consider finding a professional translator.

I swear no one get hacked of my refferals expect andro3007 he one and only have problem and has ben solved dirrect with me and all has going good , you can check all my refferal all in good way without any issue because just him , only him . And indonesian thread in here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160758.0

I just talked to the victim which you claimed to have paid back. He says you did not pay him back. Can you please PM me the transaction to show that you did?

Don't lies anymore..
But if you really want to return, i will reconsider it to have a win win solution.
I'm still waiting total +/- 0.13 BTC to return please
1KJcH9sc4JM1g1LRgEnPRGaTVRrctBorQ1

[the.old.man]

i will buy and send it now and il be confirm to androhide and pbmining as fast in 3 hours
iil be confirmed in pm as fast . Please wait

[PBmining]

i will buy and send it now and il be confirm to androhide and pbmining as fast in 3 hours
iil be confirmed in pm as fast . Please wait

I thought you said you already sent it to him?  So did you lie about that?

[the.old.man]

i will buy and send it now and il be confirm to androhide and pbmining as fast in 3 hours
iil be confirmed in pm as fast . Please wait

I thought you said you already sent it to him?  So did you lie about that?

no sir i mean clarification with him in pm kaskus and i contact him in phone to and clearing this case
i contact him on pm in forum kaskus and now i try call him il be show the proof now

[jonsi]

Anyways, I believe we are doing the right thing with this situation as far as the temporary hold is concerned.  We still need some communicators so if anybody knows Indonesian (and fluent English) please let me know via PM.  If we don't find anyone through here then we may consider finding a professional translator.

I swear no one get hacked of my refferals expect andro3007 he one and only have problem and has ben solved dirrect with me and all has going good , you can check all my refferal all in good way without any issue because just him , only him . And indonesian thread in here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160758.0

I just talked to the victim which you claimed to have paid back. He says you did not pay him back. Can you please PM me the transaction to show that you did?

Don't lies anymore..
But if you really want to return, i will reconsider it to have a win win solution.
I'm still waiting total +/- 0.13 BTC to return please
1KJcH9sc4JM1g1LRgEnPRGaTVRrctBorQ1

Androhide, just go to the police with this, you have enough proofs that he stole from you. I don't think that just for the criminal to return the stolen BTC it will make things right. If this would be truth than everybody would been stealing and if they get cought then just return the stolen goods. It doesn't work like that. I wouldn't feel good to know that my GH provider is working with criminals. Please just ban him, cancel all his referals and the GH that he bought donate it to a good cause for the time of contract. He comited fraud and now he must suport the consequences. He belongs in prison!

[Biomech]

Anyways, I believe we are doing the right thing with this situation as far as the temporary hold is concerned.  We still need some communicators so if anybody knows Indonesian (and fluent English) please let me know via PM.  If we don't find anyone through here then we may consider finding a professional translator.

I swear no one get hacked of my refferals expect andro3007 he one and only have problem and has ben solved dirrect with me and all has going good , you can check all my refferal all in good way without any issue because just him , only him . And indonesian thread in here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160758.0

I just talked to the victim which you claimed to have paid back. He says you did not pay him back. Can you please PM me the transaction to show that you did?

Don't lies anymore..
But if you really want to return, i will reconsider it to have a win win solution.
I'm still waiting total +/- 0.13 BTC to return please
1KJcH9sc4JM1g1LRgEnPRGaTVRrctBorQ1

Androhide, just go to the police with this, you have enough proofs that he stole from you. I don't think that just for the criminal to return the stolen BTC it will make things right. If this would be truth than everybody would been stealing and if they get cought then just return the stolen goods. It doesn't work like that. I wouldn't feel good to know that my GH provider is working with criminals. Please just ban him, cancel all his referals and the GH that he bought donate it to a good cause for the time of contract. He comited fraud and now he must suport the consequences. He belongs in prison!

The problem is that if they do that, without a court order, they are treading unsafe legal ground. My sentiments echo yours, but let's face it: Laws are mainly made by criminals, and if you aren't one yourself, it's very easy to get crosswise. I think they need to reach an agreement acceptable to all parties, and amend their TOS for future intervention if it ever happens again. Not ideal, by any means, but probably pbmining's best option at this time.

[Mike18feb]

... Laws are mainly made by criminals ...

Heh, dude, that's so cool, can I be your friend 

[rodeoclownicp]

hey guys- please stop talking about indonisian law enforcement - google the punishment for theft in that country - its a muslim country - one thing that popped up is a couple facing 7 years for stealing a banana - its too bad this guy is a theif, he is very talented at getting people to sign up

[Biomech]

... Laws are mainly made by criminals ...

Heh, dude, that's so cool, can I be your friend 

Google the Emperor and the Pirate.

This isn't really the place for that discussion, but I stand by my words. One doesn't become an anarchist lightly in an age of nationalistic hubris.