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[toknormal]

People vote that aren't on that site......

I'm just saying that it's the only formally hosted forum for airing the case for and against blockchain budget allocations. You can go there and know that you'll find all the arguments.

This thread is not a good place to host such discussions because good quality contributions get buried in amongst other exchanges (not to mention troll garbage) and lost in about half an hour as the pages roll on. I realise not everyone's a Dashwhale subscriber but they did take the initiative and have made a great job of meeting all the requirements of such a forum. (Not to mention, allowing people to vote at a button click once they've read the proposals).

I can tell you - I would not be voting on anything if it wasn't for that site. I haven't even had the time to read how to do it with command lines plus it's a royal PITA having to dig the wallet out from encrypted drive and all that stuff. Dashwhale is a godsend for people like me (and consequently for the whole network).

(P.S. I basically agree with Jestah's remark, that no-one asked them to build it and the principle of private initiatives trying to 'grab' a bit of the blockchain budget retrospectively is basically wrong. Despite that I might just vote for their proposal anyway just for being so damn good at what they do).

[patrolman]

People vote that aren't on that site......

I'm just saying that it's the only formally hosted forum for airing the case for and against blockchain budget allocations. You can go there and know that you'll find all the arguments.

This thread is not a good place to host such discussions because good quality contributions get buried in amongst other exchanges (not to mention troll garbage) and lost in about half an hour as the pages roll on. I realise not everyone's a Dashwhale subscriber but they did take the initiative and have made a great job of meeting all the requirements of such a forum.

Wouldn't dashtalk be a good place for discussion too?

Perhaps eventually hosting Dashwhale or something like it on the masternode network is the ultimate solution. It would obviously need to be fully open-source though and even then I don't know how likely it would be that bad actors could log users' details (or the current operator/s for that matter)

[toknormal]

Wouldn't dashtalk be a good place for discussion too?

Yes. It would be.

[patrolman]

Maybe its time for Evan or Tungfa to start cleaning up some of the Google search results :

Just post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1205043.0

Knowing how the Google index works this will change the result 

The thread doesn't seem to be working any more (or maybe I am a blocked user!). I get the following message:

An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

[Lebubar]

Maybe its time for Evan or Tungfa to start cleaning up some of the Google search results :

Just post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1205043.0

Knowing how the Google index works this will change the result 

The thread doesn't seem to be working any more (or maybe I am a blocked user!). I get the following message:

An Error Has Occurred!
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.

The thread has been censured/deleted...
Why? I don't know...

[qwizzie]

https://dashtalk.org/threads/qwizzies-cryptogram-puzzle-round-1.6372/

* to keep things official (and organised) pls post the solution on the dashtalk forum...

[afreer]

and that's why we vote....

+1.  It's great to see proposals coming from outside of the core team.  This is exactly what the system was designed for.

[Sir Alpha_goy]

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[Fatov]

and that's why we vote....

+1.  It's great to see proposals coming from outside of the core team.  This is exactly what the system was designed for.

Your account is very reliable

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I think that this services arent for all dashuser, you could put a fee or ads, if we dont user your service... we dont pay 960 dash for it...

[qwizzie]

https://dashtalk.org/threads/qwizzies-cryptogram-puzzle-round-1.6372/

* to keep things official (and organised) pls post the solution on the dashtalk forum...

Round 1 is won by toknormal
https://dashtalk.org/threads/qwizzies-cryptogram-puzzle-round-1.6372/#post-70263
Round 2 ETA 24 hours

In the mean time we still have this one unsolved :
https://forum.bitcoin.com/dash-f67/qwizzie-s-cryptogram-puzzle-number-1-t1266.html

Edit : and no, its not the same puzzle

[LiteMine]

People vote that aren't on that site......

I'm just saying that it's the only formally hosted forum for airing the case for and against blockchain budget allocations. You can go there and know that you'll find all the arguments.

This thread is not a good place to host such discussions because good quality contributions get buried in amongst other exchanges (not to mention troll garbage) and lost in about half an hour as the pages roll on. I realise not everyone's a Dashwhale subscriber but they did take the initiative and have made a great job of meeting all the requirements of such a forum. (Not to mention, allowing people to vote at a button click once they've read the proposals).

I can tell you - I would not be voting on anything if it wasn't for that site. I haven't even had the time to read how to do it with command lines plus it's a royal PITA having to dig the wallet out from encrypted drive and all that stuff. Dashwhale is a godsend for people like me (and consequently for the whole network).

(P.S. I basically agree with Jestah's remark, that no-one asked them to build it and the principle of private initiatives trying to 'grab' a bit of the blockchain budget retrospectively is basically wrong. Despite that I might just vote for their proposal anyway just for being so damn good at what they do).

Agreed, Tok. This is part of the ecosystem build-out that Dash needs to succeed. And if it helps more MN owners vote seamlessly, doesn't that make our governance model stronger (more democratic)?

They were willing to do the site initially on a donation basis, but I'm guessing that's not doing very well, so why not a proposal? $380 a month until something more pressing comes up, then reevaluate.

Proposals can be shot down at any time due to voting, correct? So it might not even be 6 months of payments, though I'm sure there will be some inertia helping proposals that have already been voted 'yes'.

EDIT: Whoops, not quite in agreement

[patrolman]

I think that this services arent for all dashuser, you could put a fee or ads, if we dont user your service... we dont pay 960 dash for it...

I have to agree. It's not only a service which is not used by the majority of Dash currency users, but which is not used by most Masternode owners. Fees for those that use the service or ads (of the non-tracking variety) would seem like a more reasonable solution than a recurring payment. I would probably be more in favour of a one-off payment, depending on the amount.

Is there a process for changing a recurring vote in the future? Or is it locked in until all recurring payments have been made?

[patrolman]

People vote that aren't on that site......

I'm just saying that it's the only formally hosted forum for airing the case for and against blockchain budget allocations. You can go there and know that you'll find all the arguments.

This thread is not a good place to host such discussions because good quality contributions get buried in amongst other exchanges (not to mention troll garbage) and lost in about half an hour as the pages roll on. I realise not everyone's a Dashwhale subscriber but they did take the initiative and have made a great job of meeting all the requirements of such a forum.

Wouldn't dashtalk be a good place for discussion too?

Perhaps eventually hosting Dashwhale or something like it on the masternode network is the ultimate solution. It would obviously need to be fully open-source though and even then I don't know how likely it would be that bad actors could log users' details (or the current operator/s for that matter)

Looking at the way the proposals are listed it shouldn't be too hard to include voting in the GUI client... maybe just a year or three with my uber coding skillz There's lots of stuff could be included in clients though, often wondered about a plugin system but the RPC calls have that kind of covered already and the pace Evan's moving at he could come up with a complete Dash OS any second

It mustn't be too hard to include voting in the GUI client, or even to have a client only for masternode owners. Dashwhale looks great and I'm sure it is very convenient for those that use it, but I think for something as important as decentralised governance of an anonymous cryptocurrency, a trustless solution would be ideal.

[LiteMine]

It mustn't be too hard to include voting in the GUI client, or even to have a client only for masternode owners. Dashwhale looks great and I'm sure it is very convenient for those that use it, but I think for something as important as decentralised governance of an anonymous cryptocurrency, a trustless solution would be ideal.

Yes, but the work has already been done. Dashwhale pushes out notifications, encrypts your genkey for voting safety, has a new incident log for each user, and keeps churning out the innovation.

Not sure if I see the effect on decentralization of the currency itself, except that it might make us so lazy we forget how to vote manually. If they go down, no funds are lost and no real information about MN owners is released (because it's not collected). Use a VPN to login for maximum anonymity, etc.

EDIT: And WYSIWYG budget proposal editor!

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[patrolman]

It mustn't be too hard to include voting in the GUI client, or even to have a client only for masternode owners. Dashwhale looks great and I'm sure it is very convenient for those that use it, but I think for something as important as decentralised governance of an anonymous cryptocurrency, a trustless solution would be ideal.

Yes, but the work has already been done. Dashwhale pushes out notifications, encrypts your genkey for voting safety, has a new incident log for each user, and keeps churning out the innovation.

Not sure if I see the effect on decentralization of the currency itself, except that it might make us so lazy we forget how to vote manually. If they go down, no funds are lost and no real information about MN owners is released (because it's not collected). Use a VPN to login for maximum anonymity, etc.

EDIT: And WYSIWYG budget proposal editor!

Are IP addresses logged? Maybe users of the site could save what they pay on VPNs and donate that to the site.

I can see that it seems to be users of the site that are in favour of the budget proposal. I don't doubt that the site provides a more convenient way of voting regularly than any other current method, but I don't think it warrants recurring payments, albeit only 6 months, as in 2 months there could be a better solution. I don't think a centralised solution should become the defacto standard. Nothing was promised to Dashwhale before embarking on the project, was the initial intention always to offer for free at first and then go after funding?

[crowning]

Looking at the way the proposals are listed it shouldn't be too hard to include voting in the GUI client... maybe just a year or three with my uber coding skillz There's lots of stuff could be included in clients though, ...

Actually it wouldn't be TOO hard to add voting to the wallet, what I did here can also be done within the wallet.

I still hesitate because there are already a lot of things in the wallet which confuse beginners, and the target group of this feature would be quite small.

Convince me 

[Walter_S]

It mustn't be too hard to include voting in the GUI client, or even to have a client only for masternode owners. Dashwhale looks great and I'm sure it is very convenient for those that use it, but I think for something as important as decentralised governance of an anonymous cryptocurrency, a trustless solution would be ideal.

Yes, but the work has already been done. Dashwhale pushes out notifications, encrypts your genkey for voting safety, has a new incident log for each user, and keeps churning out the innovation.

Well, I've heard Visa are already processing millions of transactions a day... why should we bother continuing with this project..?

Just because a centralized MN services solution has been created doesn't mean that we shouldn't push towards integrating the features of dashwhale into the core client at protocol level..

Walter

[dazbarlby]

Although the services of DashWhale are convenient, they are not essential must haves at this point.... BUT ....If DashWhale open sourced their code, which would drive competition and further innovation, I would vote yes on this proposal.

Edit: I think having click button voting in any wallet with access to masternode private keys is a great idea and you're not trusting a 3rd party to look after your private keys.

[pille]

It could be placed into the wallet Qt as a type internal Qt Spork
That would only be activated if you run an actual MN
Give it it's own TAB -

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