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[tungfa]

Voting Bitcoin: Can Traditional Democracy Fix the Block Size?

https://news.bitcoin.com/voting-bitcoin-can-traditional-democracy-fix-the-block-size/

 

[iCEBREAKER]

It seems like #4 just send 20k DASH to Poloniex a few hours ago.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?2300795.htm

&

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XrHLQmgzQtY2oxvkhTeyxXADg48G2CAkYy.htm

So DASH isn't that anonymous after all it seems.

This shouldn't surprise anybody. Blockchain analysis is turning into a pretty big field, and the same principles that apply to Bitcoin will apply to DASH. Yes DASH has a mixer, but at its heart it works the same as Bitcoin utilizing addresses and transactions that are publicly accessible and traceable. Unless the DASH team is working non stop to harden their mixing service it will eventually be defeated. Or at least somebody will have a software tool that is able to correlate addresses well enough to de-anonymize the largest users.

Mixing is merely an attempt to gain security by piling on obscurity.

One problem with mixing is it depends on other people wishing to commingle their tainted coins at the same time you want to.  Otherwise, you spend hours or days waiting.  And there is the threat those other people might be Sybil attackers using their coins as stalking horses to flush out yours.

De-obfuscating mixed coins is trivial.  You can use Bitcoin Sudoku or invent your own method.

Breaking Darksend would be too boring for Shen to even bother.  He might assign to his freshmen seminar students the task of de-anonymizing Dash as a homework assignment or pose it as an extra credit question on the first midterm.

[oblox]

It seems like #4 just send 20k DASH to Poloniex a few hours ago.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?2300795.htm

&

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XrHLQmgzQtY2oxvkhTeyxXADg48G2CAkYy.htm

So DASH isn't that anonymous after all it seems.

This shouldn't surprise anybody. Blockchain analysis is turning into a pretty big field, and the same principles that apply to Bitcoin will apply to DASH. Yes DASH has a mixer, but at its heart it works the same as Bitcoin utilizing addresses and transactions that are publicly accessible and traceable. Unless the DASH team is working non stop to harden their mixing service it will eventually be defeated. Or at least somebody will have a software tool that is able to correlate addresses well enough to de-anonymize the largest users.

Mixing is merely an attempt to gain security by piling on obscurity.

One problem with mixing is it depends on other people wishing to commingle their tainted coins at the same time you want to.  Otherwise, you spend hours or days waiting.  And there is the threat those other people might be Sybil attackers using their coins as stalking horses to flush out yours.

De-obfuscating mixed coins is trivial.  You can use Bitcoin Sudoku or invent your own method.

Breaking Darksend would be too boring for Shen to even bother.  He might assign to his freshmen seminar students the task of de-anonymizing Dash as a homework assignment or pose it as an extra credit question on the first midterm.

You or Shen should totally do it. It would be great publicity for XMR.

[arielbit]

14 owner  control about 1868 masternodes.
more than 50%   : current masternode 3550.
regard  address with about 1000 coins as a masternode

if you check masternode address transaction to make 1000 value, you can easily make masternode owner tree of 3550

example)
8 masternode owner : manual searching
it is possible for 8 Mn owner
if you check transation by program, huge holder also traceable.

Xaka3hVrUMUDDJkw7NxqA2JczdC2yKjBQq   1025
XmEfHURCA85YDafRfSWwEkwZHrzDJn3jgQ   1019
XnNRrYt8eh1ttF3CPKWXFdss4eZdAN2PhH   1046   cannot find in dashninja.pl
XjEooTnzdo4ni4L7wd9CRsJbjJz6JY6ZUf   1193

Xxcjgd3wofuQbJqu4gY8Bt12irz1EHCQpi      0
XiKDoE2LG1WocEhGeNZwi9qVgXW9agRw8k    1034

Xht7Yq4oVA2pFJfYDWMaQ5rUuaVPyPfTzN    0
XqZXHhokxPKM9FLNNWacdVVuj8DWQbsZrM    1030

XdancHFRMSbYgQ95QQX3GuKp8SP4wsYdxf    0
XfzvNPNwiFpSSsoAaNVYPcvdJB69Zq8dZm    1029

Xuvh8ZbfvWtERLhdMVuqcPgim1oASCcDT2    0
Xaka3hVrUMUDDJkw7NxqA2JczdC2yKjBQq   1025
 
XwUd1HU7tEm94oeJN2A8jtsbhfmrGjLkDV

see DASH is already centralized..DASH ASIC centralization is a non-issue  

[gusterdd]

14 owner  control about 1868 masternodes.
more than 50%   : current masternode 3550.
regard  address with about 1000 coins as a masternode

if you check masternode address transaction to make 1000 value, you can easily make masternode owner tree of 3550

example)
8 masternode owner : manual searching
it is possible for 8 Mn owner
if you check transation by program, huge holder also traceable.

Xaka3hVrUMUDDJkw7NxqA2JczdC2yKjBQq   1025
XmEfHURCA85YDafRfSWwEkwZHrzDJn3jgQ   1019
XnNRrYt8eh1ttF3CPKWXFdss4eZdAN2PhH   1046   cannot find in dashninja.pl
XjEooTnzdo4ni4L7wd9CRsJbjJz6JY6ZUf   1193

Xxcjgd3wofuQbJqu4gY8Bt12irz1EHCQpi      0
XiKDoE2LG1WocEhGeNZwi9qVgXW9agRw8k    1034

Xht7Yq4oVA2pFJfYDWMaQ5rUuaVPyPfTzN    0
XqZXHhokxPKM9FLNNWacdVVuj8DWQbsZrM    1030

XdancHFRMSbYgQ95QQX3GuKp8SP4wsYdxf    0
XfzvNPNwiFpSSsoAaNVYPcvdJB69Zq8dZm    1029

Xuvh8ZbfvWtERLhdMVuqcPgim1oASCcDT2    0
Xaka3hVrUMUDDJkw7NxqA2JczdC2yKjBQq   1025
 
XwUd1HU7tEm94oeJN2A8jtsbhfmrGjLkDV

see DASH is already centralized..DASH ASIC centralization is a non-issue  

Yes, DASH is centralized.. ASIC would make more centralization.
If you think DASH market capacity would increase by the effort of huge holder,  Join and set a masternode.
Exchange site would run masternodes also if they want.
This is also traceable. Exchanger is also huge DASH holder. 

[dEBRUYNE]

It seems like #4 just send 20k DASH to Poloniex a few hours ago.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?2300795.htm

&

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XrHLQmgzQtY2oxvkhTeyxXADg48G2CAkYy.htm

So DASH isn't that anonymous after all it seems.

This shouldn't surprise anybody. Blockchain analysis is turning into a pretty big field, and the same principles that apply to Bitcoin will apply to DASH. Yes DASH has a mixer, but at its heart it works the same as Bitcoin utilizing addresses and transactions that are publicly accessible and traceable. Unless the DASH team is working non stop to harden their mixing service it will eventually be defeated. Or at least somebody will have a software tool that is able to correlate addresses well enough to de-anonymize the largest users.

Mixing is merely an attempt to gain security by piling on obscurity.

One problem with mixing is it depends on other people wishing to commingle their tainted coins at the same time you want to.  Otherwise, you spend hours or days waiting.  And there is the threat those other people might be Sybil attackers using their coins as stalking horses to flush out yours.

De-obfuscating mixed coins is trivial.  You can use Bitcoin Sudoku or invent your own method.

Breaking Darksend would be too boring for Shen to even bother.  He might assign to his freshmen seminar students the task of de-anonymizing Dash as a homework assignment or pose it as an extra credit question on the first midterm.

You or Shen should totally do it. It would be great publicity for XMR.

What stops the community members of DASH (accompanied by the DGBB) to put up a few bounties? At least there will be some incentive to deanonymize transactions then. Furthermore, if I recall correctly the DGBB has a budget of around 20-30k per month. Moreover, you could set up a bounty for the deanonymization of an 1 round transaction, which Evan Duffield said would be the default in Evolution and another bounty for an 8 round transaction.

[tungfa]

Dash Now Trading on Exmo !!

https://dashtalk.org/threads/dash-on-exmo.8102/

pinggggg

[coins101]

If you really want to see GPU resistant, see XPM and QRK algo, cause they require decision making so a practical GPU miner is not possible.

ASIC is always possible unless the algo is an x86 instruction set.

I'm not really against ASICs in the long run, I'm just hoping it takes at least five years for Darkcoin. They'll have to implement the 11 algorithms, which according to my understanding of electrical engineering (minimal), would be really difficult.

Seems fair enough.

I think I have a reasonable proposal on ASICs. Just working on some of the details.

Might not want to buy those used and abused ASICs that have been hiding in the shadows.

[Riseman]

FROM THE RUMOUR MILL...

Awesome news if true!

Watch out. Somebody's been putting up fake pages that certain coins are going on Bitfinex and then doing huge cashouts on the pump on Poloniex.

There was an Ethereum one that set the market on fire for a bit until the page was identified as a fake and the mods started bannhammering everyone who posted the link. (Including me - but I was innocent, didn't realise it was a fake - ok, guilty then but unconsciously so).

Just sayin. Could be true, could not be true. Best wait to see what Bitfinex say.

They actually have a Dash wallet on their beta page. Which doesn't mean much without an official announcement though.

[oblox]

It seems like #4 just send 20k DASH to Poloniex a few hours ago.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?2300795.htm

&

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XrHLQmgzQtY2oxvkhTeyxXADg48G2CAkYy.htm

So DASH isn't that anonymous after all it seems.

This shouldn't surprise anybody. Blockchain analysis is turning into a pretty big field, and the same principles that apply to Bitcoin will apply to DASH. Yes DASH has a mixer, but at its heart it works the same as Bitcoin utilizing addresses and transactions that are publicly accessible and traceable. Unless the DASH team is working non stop to harden their mixing service it will eventually be defeated. Or at least somebody will have a software tool that is able to correlate addresses well enough to de-anonymize the largest users.

Mixing is merely an attempt to gain security by piling on obscurity.

One problem with mixing is it depends on other people wishing to commingle their tainted coins at the same time you want to.  Otherwise, you spend hours or days waiting.  And there is the threat those other people might be Sybil attackers using their coins as stalking horses to flush out yours.

De-obfuscating mixed coins is trivial.  You can use Bitcoin Sudoku or invent your own method.

Breaking Darksend would be too boring for Shen to even bother.  He might assign to his freshmen seminar students the task of de-anonymizing Dash as a homework assignment or pose it as an extra credit question on the first midterm.

You or Shen should totally do it. It would be great publicity for XMR.

What stops the community members of DASH (accompanied by the DGBB) to put up a few bounties? At least there will be some incentive to deanonymize transactions then. Furthermore, if I recall correctly the DGBB has a budget of around 20-30k per month. Moreover, you could set up a bounty for the deanonymization of an 1 round transaction, which Evan Duffield said would be the default in Evolution and another bounty for an 8 round transaction.

Nothing at all actually but regardless of monetary compensation directly from Dash, the damage done should cause subsequent rises in XMR (and declines in Dash)--exactly what all the Monero holders want. It has been said over and over again, especially from the Monero camp, at how easy Dash's anonymity could be broken and how bad its crypto is--seems like an easy enough task, certainly one that a freshman in college (as icebreaker put it) should easily be able to achieve and spend little time doing.

*shrug*

[iCEBREAKER]

14 owner  control about 1868 masternodes.
more than 50%   : current masternode 3550.
regard  address with about 1000 coins as a masternode

if you check masternode address transaction to make 1000 value, you can easily make masternode owner tree of 3550

see DASH is already centralized..DASH ASIC centralization is a non-issue  

We should expect Pareto distribution of Dash, albeit compounded and exaggerated by the insta-mine.

<< 20% of Dash bagholders probably control >> 80% of the Masternodes.

The 'democracy-by-blockchain' idea is a farce, wrapped in propaganda, and drizzled with marketing happy talk.

[iCEBREAKER]

What stops the community members of DASH (accompanied by the DGBB) to put up a few bounties? At least there will be some incentive to deanonymize transactions then. Furthermore, if I recall correctly the DGBB has a budget of around 20-30k per month. Moreover, you could set up a bounty for the deanonymization of an 1 round transaction, which Evan Duffield said would be the default in Evolution and another bounty for an 8 round transaction.

Nothing at all actually but regardless of monetary compensation directly from Dash, the damage done should cause subsequent rises in XMR (and declines in Dash)--exactly what all the Monero holders want. It has been said over and over again, especially from the Monero camp, at how easy Dash's anonymity could be broken and how bad its crypto is--seems like an easy enough task, certainly one that a freshman in college (as icebreaker put it) should easily be able to achieve and spend little time doing.

The Dash community has had ample time to (shut up or) put up bounties for bugs.  And yet, they have not.   

Honorable efforts to that end have been made by Big Rich, but his commendable pleas fell on deaf ears.   

We must therefore conclude Dash's socioeconomic majority would Rather Not have Shen's "Crypto For Poets" freshmen seminar participants (et alia) unleashed on their "bad crypto" (aka obfuscation via mixing).   

Say what you will about the ShadowCash community, but at least some of them understand Shen did them a favor and may have kept a few of their number out of jail.

OTOH, the Dash community demonstrates little aptitude for such critical self-evaluation.  And that's what makes them a Kool-Aid swilling cargo cult.

[TanteStefana2]

14 owner  control about 1868 masternodes.

But there are 3550 masternodes, not 1868.

If this is accurate, this is pretty surprising to me. I would have guessed the top 50% of masternodes were in the hands of just 4 or 5 big whales. 14 is pretty impressive.

14 is better than 4 or 5 but still its a bit worrisome isn't it ? The majority of voting power in hands of such a tiny elite group who effectively can permit budgets that benefit them and block ones that don't. How hard is it for them to know each other and form a cartel. Isn't this recipe for rich getting richer at expense of everyone? In the end this could kill Dash

That's the point, they own Dash and to vote in order to benifit them means it will benifit Dash.  We've seen this with giving up 10% of the rewards in order to make a budget system.  Why would they do that?  It reduced the proposed 60/40 split with miners to 45-20-45.  Yet MN owners voted yes because it was good for Dash thus good for themselves.  Enlightened self interest. 

That's why only MN owners can vote, because they have their money where their mouth is.  Also, I agree, 14 people owning 50% sounds a lot better than I thought it was

[TanteStefana2]

Nothing at all actually but regardless of monetary compensation directly from Dash, the damage done should cause subsequent rises in XMR (and declines in Dash)--exactly what all the Monero holders want. It has been said over and over again, especially from the Monero camp, at how easy Dash's anonymity could be broken and how bad its crypto is--seems like an easy enough task, certainly one that a freshman in college (as icebreaker put it) should easily be able to achieve and spend little time doing.

*shrug*

Dash's anonymity has nothing to do with cryptographics.  It's a logic/can't define exactly which coin belongs to whom shuffle (with no way to see how they're shuffled).  You can guess the path of a coin, but there will be multiple paths possible, thus nothing can be proven.  This is never going to be "decryptable"



The reason why we have multiple rounds is so that "bad Masternode owners" would all have to collude to discover what happened.

MN1 knows where they came from (blinding not in effect yet) thus knows who got which newly named coin, MN2 only knows the newly named coins, not their original sender, but if he follows where they went, he could share that information with MN1 and thus, they would still know what happened.  MN3 would also have to be a bad actor, sharing with MN1 and MN2, etc.... so calculations were made to show the possibility or better still, the requirements of what % of MNs in the system a bad actor has to have control over in order to deanonymize the source/owners, and it quickly becomes extremely improbable.  You'll only need 1 round in Evolution because the entry point through DAPI conceals the user's IP address (or doesn't collect that information as it isn't pertinent) and thus the MNs will be blinded.

Ugh, please excuse my spelling... i before e except after c,  I type to too fast!! UGH!

[TanteStefana2]

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/#!wallets

It's pretty accurate, ie #1: XosXcEm3Y6Mv6tmBKd1rUWhqB9Pf1hABj7 has exactly 491 masternodes presently (see updated pic below), of these 11 are owned by friends that I manage them for.

What's interesting is addie #4 with 232,500 DASH all at one address & 9 + 11 with a further 119,421 DASH also not in masternodes, enough for approx 352 more MN if they choose to make them.

Undoubtedly, those are exchanges.

[TanteStefana2]

Ah interesting, I'll look more closely at them, thanks.

It seems like #4 just send 20k DASH to Poloniex a few hours ago.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?2300795.htm

&

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XrHLQmgzQtY2oxvkhTeyxXADg48G2CAkYy.htm

So DASH isn't that anonymous after all it seems.

This shouldn't surprise anybody. Blockchain analysis is turning into a pretty big field, and the same principles that apply to Bitcoin will apply to DASH. Yes DASH has a mixer, but at its heart it works the same as Bitcoin utilizing addresses and transactions that are publicly accessible and traceable. Unless the DASH team is working non stop to harden their mixing service it will eventually be defeated. Or at least somebody will have a software tool that is able to correlate addresses well enough to de-anonymize the largest users.

How?

[bigrcanada1]

My friend...this is simple.  We say our mixing working.  ITS up to you to prove otherwise.  So...till you or any Trollero or anyone for that matter breaks it....its secure.  You and your team benefit the most from breaking our mixing.  If its as easy as you said...then do it.

Until then...its hot air and we are on the record saying its SOLID and unbroken.  End of subject...we've made it...and have staked the claim that its unbroken.

[bigrcanada1]

Ah interesting, I'll look more closely at them, thanks.

It seems like #4 just send 20k DASH to Poloniex a few hours ago.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/tx.dws?2300795.htm

&

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/address.dws?XrHLQmgzQtY2oxvkhTeyxXADg48G2CAkYy.htm

So DASH isn't that anonymous after all it seems.

This shouldn't surprise anybody. Blockchain analysis is turning into a pretty big field, and the same principles that apply to Bitcoin will apply to DASH. Yes DASH has a mixer, but at its heart it works the same as Bitcoin utilizing addresses and transactions that are publicly accessible and traceable. Unless the DASH team is working non stop to harden their mixing service it will eventually be defeated. Or at least somebody will have a software tool that is able to correlate addresses well enough to de-anonymize the largest users.

How?

Forget it...its a bunch of wanabee techies that don't have the skills.  We've been hearing this broken record for almost 2 years.  Its hog wash...tell them to come back once they have proven something. 

[iCEBREAKER]

We say our mixing working.  ITS up to you to prove otherwise.  So...till you or any Trollero or anyone for that matter breaks it....its secure.  You and your team benefit the most from breaking our mixing.  If its as easy as you said...then do it.

Until then...its hot air and we are on the record saying its SOLID and unbroken.  End of subject...we've made it...and have staked the claim that its unbroken.

That's not how this works.  The burden of proof is on Dash to prove it's secure.

Why?  Because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Please note you sound exactly like the ShadowCash dudes who got pwnd when Shen #R3KT their coin's bad crypto.

Only systems that are structurally incompatible with fraud don't suffer from the overhang of potential fraud.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

I'm still waiting for the Reddit Darkcoin De-anonymizer that was promised a year and a half ago...