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[illodin]

To run a Tor node they wouldn't have to even purchase anything. Do you all agree "DarkTor" would still be better than standard Tor in that regard?

There are people running Tor exit nodes as we speak. Why wouldn't they run DarkTor exit nodes as well for the added incentive?

[qwizzie]

To run a Tor node they wouldn't have to even purchase anything. Do you all agree "DarkTor" would still be better than standard Tor in that regard?

There are people running Tor exit nodes as we speak. Why wouldn't they run DarkTor exit nodes as well for the added incentive?

well, there is that pricetag of 1000 DRK on it...

[illodin]

To run a Tor node they wouldn't have to even purchase anything. Do you all agree "DarkTor" would still be better than standard Tor in that regard?

There are people running Tor exit nodes as we speak. Why wouldn't they run DarkTor exit nodes as well for the added incentive?

well, there is that pricetag of 1000 DRK on it...

Well then they should act fast while it's still cheap.  

Or, they could run the node for someone else for a cut.

[Freckleg]

This is creazy Evan went from creating the first anonymous coin to
Creating the first bulletproof anonymous internet

Time magazine should make Evan most influential person of 2014/2015 

[qwizzie]

To run a Tor node they wouldn't have to even purchase anything. Do you all agree "DarkTor" would still be better than standard Tor in that regard?

There are people running Tor exit nodes as we speak. Why wouldn't they run DarkTor exit nodes as well for the added incentive?

well, there is that pricetag of 1000 DRK on it...

Well then they should act fast while it's still cheap.  

Or, they could run the node for someone else for a cut.

.. we are surely entering interesting times, just imagine 1 year ahead ..

[Drobek]

maybe we should avoid calling it DarkTor.. maybe we should call it DarkFreedom

DarkTor is great for getting the publicity, no one cares about DarkMadeUpStuff

[erok]

This is creazy Evan went from creating the first anonymous coin to
Creating the first bulletproof anonymous internet

Time magazine should make Evan most influential person of 2014/2015 

None of that happened.

[TsuyokuNaritai]

Why couldn't there be a DRK/BTC decentralized exchange? Use the masternodes to host the portal of buys and sells (when an offer is agreed on, the ad is removed from the portal), when someone wants to buy/sell, each respective party puts up their side of the coins to the masternode network, once both send their end of the deal, the masternodes exchange to the other party. In the event one party backs out, the masternode sends it back to the original party. The portal would show up in each client wallet under an exchange tab.

To be truly DRK, you'd need a trustless way for a masternode to hold bitcoin. Maybe masternodes taking part in it could have their server do bitcoin walletty things to receive and send a limited amount of bitcoin, up to a total amount that the bitcoin sellers would be happy for the masternode's 1000DRK to act as collateral...

But they don't need to hold the actual coins in the same way they don't hold actual drk... because that's dangerous.

They shouldn't and don't currently "hold" anything as I understand it.

Swap keys not coins

I'm not sure which of a few things you meant by that, so please pick one of the following answers from me depending on what you meant:

• Swapping private keys is swapping the coins.
• Good luck getting that added to the bitcoin protocol.
• What about double-spending?

[Freckleg]

This is creazy Evan went from creating the first anonymous coin to
Creating the first bulletproof anonymous internet

Time magazine should make Evan most influential person of 2014/2015  

None of that happened.

It did

As did cloak coin failed its audit and equals thrash. Now scurry off and let the grown ups talk

[KryptoFoo]

Why couldn't there be a DRK/BTC decentralized exchange? Use the masternodes to host the portal of buys and sells (when an offer is agreed on, the ad is removed from the portal), when someone wants to buy/sell, each respective party puts up their side of the coins to the masternode network, once both send their end of the deal, the masternodes exchange to the other party. In the event one party backs out, the masternode sends it back to the original party. The portal would show up in each client wallet under an exchange tab.

To be truly DRK, you'd need a trustless way for a masternode to hold bitcoin. Maybe masternodes taking part in it could have their server do bitcoin walletty things to receive and send a limited amount of bitcoin, up to a total amount that the bitcoin sellers would be happy for the masternode's 1000DRK to act as collateral...

But they don't need to hold the actual coins in the same way they don't hold actual drk... because that's dangerous.

They shouldn't and don't currently "hold" anything as I understand it.

Swap keys not coins

I guess each MN runs bitcoin and darkcoin daemons, processing multisig transactions on behalf of the buyers/sellers. Put a time expiry like 15 minutes on the transactions to cancel them if the counterparty does not comply. But then you have masternodes signing bitcoin and darkcoin transactions, I think this opens up a new world of security risks.

It's centralized, but I'm going to check more into shapeshift.io see if this is a service darkcoin could leverage to pay wherever bitcoin payments are accepted. No account required but would like to know their logging and retention policies.
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2ch83w/shapeshiftio_instant_bitcoinlitecoin_conversion/

[silikonski]

Development Update - 8/19/14

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/development-update-august-19-2014.2086/

Utilizing the Masternode network - DarkTor

One of the future goals is to turn the masternode network into a decentralized business for masternode operators. To do this we’ll add features that improve the privacy of end users and compete with centralized businesses. Our first endeavor into this is to make a completely private tor network within Darkcoin.

The Darkcoin network will begin to offer anonymous internet access via the masternode network. As a user, all you’ll have to do is pay a fee for 24 hours of access. This fee will be paid to a masternode in much the same way the masternode fees are paid, using a deterministic algorithm for determining which masternode will get paid.

There’s a few benefits to running a private tor network through Darkcoin.

    Sybil resistant - Due to the cost of obtaining masternodes, it will be very difficult for any one person to view all traffic.
    Anonymous Payments - Users can pay anonymously for the service
    Private Network - Our tor network will be internal to darkcoin only. All traffic will be paid traffic, so the cost of running the service should be profitable for the masternode operators.
    Faster than tor - Tor has historically been very slow. This will be a lean version, that has much higher throughput.


As for the cost of the service we’re thinking $0.50 per day or something to that effect.

We’re still working on the details how this will function and this isn’t a feature that we’re absolutely set on. We’re very interested to get the community’s response to see if it’s viable .

I think I just shit my pants.

Why rely one one VPN provider when you can use a network of a thousand of them?

Great! The power of masternodes unleached!!!

Wow, nice one! Great work on debugging.
Pity I don't have 1000 DRK's for MN

[sharkbyte093]

whoever just dropped that 15k buy.... damn you... *shakes fist*

nvm, you pulled it. Good sir. Now dump down to .0048 please!

[Freckleg]

Coinzx3

Are you not overdoing it a bit with the mintpal buy wall  

[Drobek]

Mistake? Will lost in front of the courts and is on probation now.

That looks very strange. Never hear of similar case, the guy must have been involved in something.
Will search for more details, thanks.

Anyway, the same thing may happen for using crypto - exchanging the money is more sensitive than exchanging information

Dunno in what naive world you life, but normally cops just ask who owns what ip and then storm your house. Doesn´t matter if its an exit node or not. Non-speciliased cops prolly dont even know what exit nodes are.

http://itnomad.wordpress.com/2006/09/10/germany-crackdown-on-tor-node-operators/
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/08/26/0017203/the-eff-reflects-on-ice-seizing-a-tor-exit-node
http://spyblog.org.uk/blog/2009/03/passion-and-dalliance-blog-why-you-need-balls-of-steel-to-operate-a-tor-exit-nod.html
...

Has a reason why every good anonymity service that interacts with the plain WWW has a bunch of lawyers.

Look at the dates of the articles... raid in 2006, 2009, 2011... All in all, there were maybe 10 raids over the previous 10 years around the world.
The Austrian case seems to be the only one when the guy received a sentence but it likely involved more than ownership of the exit node...

[oblox]

Why couldn't there be a DRK/BTC decentralized exchange? Use the masternodes to host the portal of buys and sells (when an offer is agreed on, the ad is removed from the portal), when someone wants to buy/sell, each respective party puts up their side of the coins to the masternode network, once both send their end of the deal, the masternodes exchange to the other party. In the event one party backs out, the masternode sends it back to the original party. The portal would show up in each client wallet under an exchange tab.

To be truly DRK, you'd need a trustless way for a masternode to hold bitcoin. Maybe masternodes taking part in it could have their server do bitcoin walletty things to receive and send a limited amount of bitcoin, up to a total amount that the bitcoin sellers would be happy for the masternode's 1000DRK to act as collateral...

But they don't need to hold the actual coins in the same way they don't hold actual drk... because that's dangerous.

They shouldn't and don't currently "hold" anything as I understand it.

Swap keys not coins

I'm not sure which of a few things you meant by that, so please pick one of the following answers from me depending on what you meant:

• Swapping private keys is swapping the coins.
• Good luck getting that added to the bitcoin protocol.
• What about double-spending?

Yeah, private key swapping is coin transfer so that doesn't work as is. BTC implementation is hard being that it has it's own blockchain. Perhaps following in the footsteps of BitHalo in how things are structured would resolve the issue. Granted, no source is available to my knowledge but if David is capable of figuring out a workable solution, I have to imagine Evan could do it as well.

That would bring so much utility to those with existing BTC not relying on exchanges.

[Minotaur26]

In my country the government is too busy stealing tax money to care about exit nodes, let alone Darkcoin, so all of my masternodes will provide the full service.

[qwizzie]

Why couldn't there be a DRK/BTC decentralized exchange? Use the masternodes to host the portal of buys and sells (when an offer is agreed on, the ad is removed from the portal), when someone wants to buy/sell, each respective party puts up their side of the coins to the masternode network, once both send their end of the deal, the masternodes exchange to the other party. In the event one party backs out, the masternode sends it back to the original party. The portal would show up in each client wallet under an exchange tab.

To be truly DRK, you'd need a trustless way for a masternode to hold bitcoin. Maybe masternodes taking part in it could have their server do bitcoin walletty things to receive and send a limited amount of bitcoin, up to a total amount that the bitcoin sellers would be happy for the masternode's 1000DRK to act as collateral...

But they don't need to hold the actual coins in the same way they don't hold actual drk... because that's dangerous.

They shouldn't and don't currently "hold" anything as I understand it.

Swap keys not coins

I guess each MN runs bitcoin and darkcoin daemons, processing multisig transactions on behalf of the buyers/sellers. Put a time expiry like 15 minutes on the transactions to cancel them if the counterparty does not comply. But then you have masternodes signing bitcoin and darkcoin transactions, I think this opens up a new world of security risks.

It's centralized, but I'm going to check more into shapeshift.io see if this is a service darkcoin could leverage to pay wherever bitcoin payments are accepted. No account required but would like to know their logging and retention policies.
http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2ch83w/shapeshiftio_instant_bitcoinlitecoin_conversion/

You might wanna check this one too : https://holytransaction.com/
(found it here : https://www.darkcoin.io/getstarted.html)

[erok]

This is creazy Evan went from creating the first anonymous coin to
Creating the first bulletproof anonymous internet

Time magazine should make Evan most influential person of 2014/2015  

None of that happened.

It did

As did cloak coin failed its audit and equals thrash. Now scurry off and let the grown ups talk

Source?
And when was your audit? oh yeah: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=560138.0

[reflexmk]

In my country the government is too busy stealing tax money to care about exit nodes, let alone Darkcoin, so all of my masternodes will provide the full service.

More than one country like yours

p.s. Coinz x3, how much of the 50k buy left for purchasing?

[qwizzie]

http://coinbrief.net/how-to-use-darkcoin-wallet-darksend/

Edit : well written tutorial .. TanteStefana