[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[utopianfuture]

so, i read what you are saying, correctly.

You say that,
because sockpuppets were not anticipated to be such a problem,
and because the devteam decided to deny them access to this project on a date later than the announcement
then socks should be accepted, because they were accepted in the beginning.

is this correct?
do you need to correct my statement anywhere, to reflect better what you are saying?
Let me repeat it, for the record, with less words. Please corret me if i am wrong somewhere.

Because socks where not stopped on day 1, they should be accepted.
If socks are not acepted, then the devteam is not fair.

Do the above two lines reflect your issue, or do you need to correct it?

No, the issue has nothing to do with what I think, it's all to do with interpreting UP's statements, like the one below. I've said enough - obviously  - why don't you read utopian's statement below and try and point to anything that justifies naming and shaming people who created multiple accounts prior to Jan 29.

"I won't prevent multiple buy-in. It is impossible to prevent people making two- three accounts and register for them. But it won't matter much as our user bases would be huge. Furthermore, it takes time to make multiple accounts. It takes time to manage multiple accounts. Later on you would need to provide me passwords on these accounts. That's a lot of work already and if someone can go through all of that they have shown a lot of interest in NEM and probably deserve their stakes. And at this point, more accounts means more development fund to NEM. So I don't see the need to prevent multiple buy-in. It is very different from someone putting 10.000 NXT in and buy 10% stake of NEM. I very much doubt anyone can have more than 5-6 buy-ins. I hope this explanation clears the worry about double buy-in."

edit: I'm just the messenger

anyway, UP acquiesced multiple buy-in in the beginning. i just hope NEM project can get through this stuff.

Up to 5. No more.

[patmast3r]

anyway, UP acquiesced multiple buy-in in the beginning. i just hope NEM project can get through this stuff.

There is a difference between acknowledging the fact that there isn't much that can be done against sockpuppets and to support it.
To acquiesce something doesn't mean you say you'll never do anything about it.

regardless...

Even if UP had said that sockpuppetry is okay and he would have welcomed all sockpuppets with a hug and a cup of coffee I'd still not call it dishonest to do something about it now. Those people get their money back! They are not being robbed or anything they're just not welcome anymore. People are allowed to change their opinions are they not ?

Imagine this scenario.

You found a club for all the cool kidz and you even let in a couple of dbags because you think that it won't do much harm. If you later notice that the dbags are actually ruining it for everyone else would it be dishonest to kick them out of the club ? I don't think so.

[cupper5]

If you play the 'good guy' card you have to be 100% trustworthy - that's so obvious!

Ok, now i am convinced, you are just circlejerking are you not?
How many socks do  you have? care to share the number with us?

I joined in the early days before payment was required with an 'interested'. If you think this is about me you're wrong. I'm sad to see utopian damage his chance with NEM over this ridiculous issue. You can't change what was said. Sockpuppets will haunt NEM & UP like a dead body.

To go on to such an extent it is obvious that you have multiple sock puppet accounts before your specified date where virtually no payment was required . At least sock puppets after your date paid for each account.

You are wrong and people will in the fullness of time see that there may have been a few sock puppets
But the worst of them were weeded out making it the fairest distribution of any coin.

[lucienlu]

any one could get it free?

[SZZT]

Issue is UP will damage NEM if he looks dishonest.

Oh, so you are now making sure UP does not look dishonest to community?
Really?
This your motivation for all your issues? Ha, UP, here;s a fan, he cares about your reputation so bad, it hurts
 

No mate, the issue you have is that your socks are being pruned.
You keep implying that the devteam is not honest and fair because they are taking out socks.
Which is like the complete opposite of what the rest in this thread are saying.

So, unless you want to help root out some more socks, i would suggest that you keep quiet and stop your veiled ad hominem attacks.
We can see through you

 

[dgex_victim]

Dear Dvictim watch this and your gripes will go away
http://www.country1011.com/2014/01/20/video-of-ottawa-woman-gone-viral/

Thanks for that Emill!! Thought provoking

[Spider]

Dear Dvictim watch this and your gripes will go away
http://www.country1011.com/2014/01/20/video-of-ottawa-woman-gone-viral/

Thanks for that Emill!! Thought provoking

It recalls to enjoy what we have and give the best of yourself.

[cupper5]

Dear Dvictim watch this and your gripes will go away
http://www.country1011.com/2014/01/20/video-of-ottawa-woman-gone-viral/

Thanks for that Emill!! Thought provoking

It recalls to enjoy what we have and give the best of yourself.

Yeah....puts all this in perspective....the fact is we have life....celebrate!!!!!

[M-Plan]

Dear Dvictim watch this and your gripes will go away
http://www.country1011.com/2014/01/20/video-of-ottawa-woman-gone-viral/

Thanks for that Emill!! Thought provoking

Have we time to discuss about such things? I don't think so.
It would be better when we focus on NEM and stop discussion about unfairness etc.
In my view this area would be better for constructive suggestions.

[SIjong]

i hope the discussion of the stakeholder list is ended in the near future so that we can talk about other things!

[Spyrofix]

i hope the discussion of the stakeholder list is ended in the near future so that we can talk about other things!

I share your opinion! NEM is such an amazing movement and we are part of that! We should do everything possible for its success, shouldn't we?

[nxtvisa]

i hope the discussion of the stakeholder list is ended in the near future so that we can talk about other things!

We should focus on how to make NEM become the most promising encryption currency!
I suggest that all shareholders are to  BTT made their own proposals, not silence. Let the NEM community more active, like the Doge community.

[patmast3r]

i hope the discussion of the stakeholder list is ended in the near future so that we can talk about other things!

This will never end. It will become less obivous once we move to the official forum (go ahead and register now!) but it will never stop. That's just how the internet works.

[conbos]

... Getting tired about this discussion; better looking forward. According to UP's plan; today the contract, or other important news should be released. Am I OK?

[utopianfuture]

... Getting tired about this discussion; better looking forward. According to UP's plan; today the contract, or other important news should be released. Am I OK?

I will be finishing refunding today. Development announcement will be at the end of this month 3/30. We will get pass the refunding discussion at that point.

[vytasz7]

where can i see the shre holders list

[pabloangello]

where can i see the shre holders list

There is link at the first page of this thread.

[vytasz7]

is it the last one?

[utopianfuture]

is it the last one?

Minus the refunding list + waiting list.

[pabloangello]

is it the last one?

Last one of what exactly?