[ANN] Blacknet BLN | Staking | Future of zApp & ZeFi

[acseric]

Suggestion: veritasBS, colinfx, TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet, morituri13,  Soepkip, Gritt, vizique, IconicExpert and all those supposedly involved in this current situation, make a group call on skype and talk things out.

Then make a public joint announcement of how the situation was resolved and how we are moving forward together, untill then: stop posting.

Regardless of who is right and what is true, the posting today is embarrassing for all parties involved. If both groups in this argument can not resolve this situation (that has been going for weeks now) by themselves then no group deserves any support from the community, which is us by the way, we are where the money and success is.

How can we possibly convince you we had no part in something completely fabricated? That's like proving there is no aether in which light propagates, or perhaps a more mundane example, that there is no God.

I have provided a link to my wallet in the past. You can see that for the past 4-6 weeks I have had the exact same amount of BC that I currently do (well not exact it ranges from 450kish to 410kish). That is about the best proof I can offer anyone and I don't see IE posting his HUGE wallets (or so he claims) etc. My official stance on this (official only onto myself) is to ignore baseless accusations.

I have talked with most of the people accused on a conference call today... What did we talk about? Improving the landing pages for blackcoin.co, blackcoinpool.com, and what type of articles we want the PR firm to promote. This was a much better use of our time, I promise you that.

I understand your point and appreciate the sane responses from your side. Yet the community is still divided. While I understand this is difficult given the situation you are presented with, either party will have to do something to sway the community so we can move forward united and on the same page as a community. All time spent posting today by all community members could have been productively spent working towards the future.

A handfull of nutjobs spreading FUD is not a divided community.

[morituri13]

Suggestion: veritasBS, colinfx, TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet, morituri13,  Soepkip, Gritt, vizique, IconicExpert and all those supposedly involved in this current situation, make a group call on skype and talk things out.

Then make a public joint announcement of how the situation was resolved and how we are moving forward together, untill then: stop posting.

Regardless of who is right and what is true, the posting today is embarrassing for all parties involved. If both groups in this argument can not resolve this situation (that has been going for weeks now) by themselves then no group deserves any support from the community, which is us by the way, we are where the money and success is.

How can we possibly convince you we had no part in something completely fabricated? That's like proving there is no aether in which light propagates, or perhaps a more mundane example, that there is no God.

I have provided a link to my wallet in the past. You can see that for the past 4-6 weeks I have had the exact same amount of BC that I currently do (well not exact it ranges from 450kish to 410kish). That is about the best proof I can offer anyone and I don't see IE posting his HUGE wallets (or so he claims) etc. My official stance on this (official only onto myself) is to ignore baseless accusations.

I have talked with most of the people accused on a conference call today... What did we talk about? Improving the landing pages for blackcoin.co, blackcoinpool.com, and what type of articles we want the PR firm to promote. This was a much better use of our time, I promise you that.

I understand your point and appreciate the sane responses from your side. Yet the community is still divided. While I understand this is difficult given the situation you are presented with, either party will have to do something to sway the community so we can move forward united and on the same page as a community. All time spent posting today by all community members could have been productively spent working towards the future.

I agree mrmate. However, I personally (again only me) plan on winning the community over with my continued support of the coin. Actions, in the coming days or weeks, will speak louder than words.

[colinfx]

Suggestion: veritasBS, colinfx, TheBlackDogeOfWallStreet, morituri13,  Soepkip, Gritt, vizique, IconicExpert and all those supposedly involved in this current situation, make a group call on skype and talk things out.

Then make a public joint announcement of how the situation was resolved and how we are moving forward together, untill then: stop posting.

Regardless of who is right and what is true, the posting today is embarrassing for all parties involved. If both groups in this argument can not resolve this situation (that has been going for weeks now) by themselves then no group deserves any support from the community, which is us by the way, we are where the money and success is.

Sorry to break it to you, but if people are scamming they won't be willing to work it out. The names are all the foundation vs. IE. Hardly even fair. Just not gonna happen, cause they won't stop there manipulation of BC and using there multipool as cover. These prices and walls are not normal.

Brammien, who is in the Blackcoin Foundation? And what is the Blackcoin Foundation?

We are still trying to figure that out, but Soepkip surely is pretty tight lipped about it. They say they are group of investors in IRC, but they are official representing the coin? Soepkip has little to nothing to say where he fits into all this, and therefore needs to go if he can answer to the community.

Let me get this straight. I publicly stated I hold, I suck at day trading and just lose. If I could gain I would do it.

So, let's clear something up.

Am I not ALLOWED to Buy and Sell my BlackCoins if I wish?

Why is that? Does this rule apply to everyone?

Do other coins have these limitations?

How did IconicExpert get to be the guy who chooses who can trade?

[brammien]

brammien, I am not pushing you to reddit but there is an explanation there. Your concerns have been heard and I, and the investor group, have been separated from the foundation. You, more or less directly, caused this.

Not going to reddit, but if you post it here i'll read it. reddit is fine, but not for me, and I'd rather it be in the open here if there is an explaination to this.

I still believe there needs to be a change of guard reguarding social media, soepkips childish posts of himself with tin foil hats on and smoking on podcasts is not the image needed anymore for BC, I believe with all the stuff going around, we can mostly agree, he's not fit for being the figurehead of BC if we are to have one running social media.

Like or hate IE, he did bring up some issues of concern, and the unbacking publicly from this foundation, or whatever is considered to be official BC, was harmful to the project, and to community, and this came from top down not being supportive enough to make public statement by grit. Grit is also another one that needs to go.

As for an investment group, that's completely separate, no ties to website, facebook, or twitter, I'd expect is what we need now to restore confidence in this community.

If you want us to be taken seriously by outsiders, tin foil hat wearing 27 year olds, smoking on podcasts, and representing coin officially with keys to all the social media and more than likely hands involved in whatever this investor group is, is irresponsible and will tarnish this community. Please remove soepkip and grit from official status.

Someone like maarx comes to mind that would be good person to represent this coin on social media until we decide on someone fit to do so.

[barabbas]

TIC... TIC... TIC...

In the world of white crime, quoting the unforgettable Gordon Gekko, "greed, for lack of a better word, is good". Translated to the world of crypto, this is probably the understatement of the century. We are all greedy. Hugely greedy. Discard any euphemisms such as "I want this coin to be #1", "I want crypto to change the world" and the myriad others that don't even try to hide the one and only motive behind it all: Greed. To be able to turn a minimal investment in tens, hundreds, thousand, millions or even millions of millions (they call them billions in some parts). Nothing else.

In the real world, greed is -supposedly- countered by legislation. Not in cryptoworld. This is the Wild West, unregulated and unexplored. And no laws apply (yet).

So here we have BlackCoin, a new alt coin that in just over 2 months has reached a high level of success strictly between traders, the greediest ones - I would know, I'm one of them-, run by The Doge of Wall Street (Rat4 is the dev and has only a loose idea of what is going on in the non-tech side of the coin and the other 3 count very little) who is also the 50% owner of the Multipool that gets ALL of BlackCoin's miners' business, not because it is the best, or the safest, or has the better plan, but because it is owned by the guy who runs things around here and that, maybe not too much now -but a significant amount nevertheless already- but stand to make a killing when/if a massive amount of miners come to the Multipool because BlackCoin makes them money. Mind you, The Doge IS BlackCoin, so no need for the competition to apply and offer kickbacks for the pooling business. Plus the fallback pool, CoinAlts, is already on board, enthusiastically, quite happy to play banana (and ball) to the Doge's pool because, well, something is definitely much better than nothing. And if this grows, as expected, there are definitely great possibilities of increased business in the future.

Now, let's debunk a relatively well hidden myth (not pre-mined) -or, to be precise, very little pre-mined. In fact, in the 7 days that BlackCoin was pre-mined, many millions of coins were actually mined. Many. By who, mostly? you guessed it: The Doge. Many others too, of course, but who was there, ready to rumble and fully equipped to amass massive amounts of the coin? again, you guessed it. How many? I have no idea. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of the bulkiest wallets in the top 20 were his. Again, no proof, no fuss, so do with this information what you wish. Let me tell you that I have proof that one miner, just a single one, mined over half a million Blackcoins in a few hours in one of those 7 days. With that info, you can speculate on your own.

Yesterday I penned a rather lengthy post about the so called "Foundation" trying to explain why it was a hasty land grab and why it was a totally illegitimate move seeking control of this coin ONLY for profit among the people self appointed to its board. Since, we have received all kinds of conflicting information about who is and who isn't on that future board. Apparently, theDoge -mind you, he's calling the shots here, no one else-, has not yet made up his mind. I also stated without any margin for doubt, why it was not ethical that a group of investors would be even remotely close to the pretended "foundation" and went on to explain what they could easily do, on any whim, to control the price of the coin and, logically, benefit from it. Well, I was already late: They have been doing it since day one. Openly, too. Not even bothering to hide. Pumping and dumping... only, theoretically, for show, marginally to TheDoge who may or may not -for him to demonstrate, impossible to prove because he surely has several wallets so showing what's on one will demonstrate nothing- have been dumping his probable millions of coins all along. "Maarx", who for now seems to be intent in remaining "honest", admits to having witnessed at least 5 such schemes in these few weeks. Those schemes took the coin, mind you, above 80k, maybe even 90k, don't recall. The enthusiast that bought on the "1BC = 1 Lambo" and other ra-ra's by "Soepkip" and co, have been halved, so far, or even "2/3-ded". That's damage to the little guy who happens to be honest and knows nothing about the manipulations that now we all know have happened ostensibly under the surface, continue happening now and will, indeed, continue happening under the auspices of "the foundation".

Everyone here knows that I was the first and most acid critic of IconicExplorer's dirty attempt at public manipulation and I want to believe that I had something to do with shooting down that ill-fated, ill-conceived scheme... well, it wasn't me or my critical position toward it what shot it down at all. It was "the group", of course, that wanted to just keeping doing it themselves, like they have been doing from day one. Total control. We now know that with their at least 8 million coins, they can do practically anything they want with the price, controlling it absolutely while benefiting daily from simply switching from Cryptsy to MintPal. That simple.

Everyone here knows that IE is a number of deplorable things, including a ruthless manipulator and as greedy or more than any of the rest of us, bar none. But everyone also knows that he is not a liar and that if anything has ever more importance for him than money, it is probably feeding his ego. He could have "played ball", he definitely was offered the chance to do so. So money was there for the taking, but he refused because he seems to have some very loose values applied to his ego that work in strange ways: He doesn't have any problem promoting a blatant manipulation of the market... as long as it is public -so everyone knows?- while he doesn't participate in back door conspiracies to do exactly the same thing... but behind the backs of the innocent investors who are the ones that are going to be hurt by them. It is a strange ethic, but some ethic, nevertheless. Since I dislike the guy I will have to admit to another peculiar ethic of his that I find admirable: He doesn't believe in unpaid work.

Finally, everyone here knows, clearly, that IE is not a dummy. He may not be the sharpest knife in every kitchen, but obviously he has proven repeatedly that he is not a dumb tool. With that in mind, what would he have to gain antagonizing the bigger part of the dev team -Gritt, Soepkip and the other guy -cant remember his handle off the cuff-, besides all the big-pocketed "investors" that have rushed to grab the land of "the Foundation" following clear instructions to do so by TheDOGE? His quite solid reputation for tirelessly working to increase the price of BlackCoin cannot be argued, not by me -and I find most of his efforts absurdly gimmicky, plus I don't like the guy per se one bit- not even by any detractor of which he had, until recently, none or very, very few. He stood to gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from his exposee. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. -at-all. And, obviously, he would be subjected to all kinds of smearing attacks, legal threats -none of them will materialize, by the way- and discredit campaigns so he won't be able to even sell a single card more. Why would he do it? No, the ego thing? sorry. I know about that significantly more than anyone here and nope, the opposite would be true. If anything his ego would have made him compromise in exchange for a more positive limelight... Incredibly as it might seem, even to me, it is evident that IE's exposee has been made public to take the mask off the conspirators, to make sure the community knows what's going on under the surface and who's the puppet master and to put the ball on our (the community) court. Not only everything he has posted is true, he more than probably has the means to prove it.

What he doesn't know, hilariously, is that it doesn't matter, really. Oh BlackCoin will self-destruct inevitably, no question about that, but in the meantime, this is going to be brushed aside not because the accusations are not true -they are-, but because a active members of the community, in its vast majority, not only simply do not care, but also accept it as "part of the deal". This is, after all, lawless land, remember? So everything actually goes. And what 99% of them want is to see the coin finally break above 30k, it doesn't matter if it is manipulated of not. They are in it for the thrill of the instantly gratified greed, for nothing else. "Pumps and dumps? Part of the deal. Conspiracies behind doors? more power to them, how do I join so I make sure I will not be the one holding the bag? People getting seriously hurt? Huh? they should have known better and not invest in crypto anything they wouldn't be ready to lose...

So the tic..tic..tic... of the bomb keeps on ticking towards it's inevitable implosion. The wise have already started to run for the exits. The crooks will just keep going along as there sheep still to sacrifice and the ra-ra crowd... well, they will keep on with the smearing campaign that, obviously, now will include me too, as the events grant.

Entertaining, indeed.

[vizique]

Not going to reddit, but if you post it here i'll read it. reddit is fine, but not for me, and I'd rather it be in the open here if there is an explaination to this.

You deliberately deprive yourself of knowledge to make what point exactly?
PMSL

[colinfx]

brammien, I am not pushing you to reddit but there is an explanation there. Your concerns have been heard and I, and the investor group, have been separated from the foundation. You, more or less directly, caused this.

Not going to reddit, but if you post it here i'll read it. reddit is fine, but not for me, and I'd rather it be in the open here if there is an explaination to this.

I still believe there needs to be a change of guard reguarding social media, soepkips childish posts of himself with tin foil hats on and smoking on podcasts is not the image needed anymore for BC, I believe with all the stuff going around, we can mostly agree, he's not fit for being the figurehead of BC if we are to have one running social media.

Like or hate IE, he did bring up some issues of concern, and the unbacking publicly from this foundation, or whatever is considered to be official BC, was harmful to the project, and to community, and this came from top down not being supportive enough to make public statement by grit. Grit is also another one that needs to go.

As for an investment group, that's completely separate, no ties to website, facebook, or twitter, I'd expect is what we need now to restore confidence in this community.

If you want us to be taken seriously by outsiders, tin foil hat wearing 27 year olds, smoking on podcasts, and representing coin officially with keys to all the social media and more than likely hands involved in whatever this investor group is, is irresponsible and will tarnish this community. Please remove soepkip and grit from official status.

Someone like maarx comes to mind that would be good person to represent this coin on social media until we decide on someone fit to do so.

Let me get this straight. I publicly stated I hold, I suck at day trading and just lose. If I could gain I would do it.

So, let's clear something up.

Am I not ALLOWED to Buy and Sell my BlackCoins if I wish?

Why is that? Does this rule apply to everyone?

Do other coins have these limitations?

How did IconicExpert get to be the guy who chooses who can trade?

[acseric]

TIC... TIC... TIC...

In the world of white crime, quoting the unforgettable Gordon Gekko, "greed, for lack of a better word, is good". Translated to the world of crypto, this is probably the understatement of the century. We are all greedy. Hugely greedy. Discard any euphemisms such as "I want this coin to be #1", "I want crypto to change the world" and the myriad others that don't even try to hide the one and only motive behind it all: Greed. To be able to turn a minimal investment in tens, hundreds, thousand, millions or even millions of millions (they call them billions in some parts). Nothing else.

In the real world, greed is -supposedly- countered by legislation. Not in cryptoworld. This is the Wild West, unregulated and unexplored. And no laws apply (yet).

So here we have BlackCoin, a new alt coin that in just over 2 months has reached a high level of success strictly between traders, the greediest ones - I would know, I'm one of them-, run by The Doge of Wall Street (Rat4 is the dev and has only a loose idea of what is going on in the non-tech side of the coin and the other 3 count very little) who is also the 50% owner of the Multipool that gets ALL of BlackCoin's miners' business, not because it is the best, or the safest, or has the better plan, but because it is owned by the guy who runs things around here and that, maybe not too much now -but a significant amount nevertheless already- but stand to make a killing when/if a massive amount of miners come to the Multipool because BlackCoin makes them money. Mind you, The Doge IS BlackCoin, so no need for the competition to apply and offer kickbacks for the pooling business. Plus the fallback pool, CoinAlts, is already on board, enthusiastically, quite happy to play banana (and ball) to the Doge's pool because, well, something is definitely much better than nothing. And if this grows, as expected, there are definitely great possibilities of increased business in the future.

Now, let's debunk a relatively well hidden myth (not pre-mined) -or, to be precise, very little pre-mined. In fact, in the 7 days that BlackCoin was pre-mined, many millions of coins were actually mined. Many. By who, mostly? you guessed it: The Doge. Many others too, of course, but who was there, ready to rumble and fully equipped to amass massive amounts of the coin? again, you guessed it. How many? I have no idea. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of the bulkiest wallets in the top 20 were his. Again, no proof, no fuss, so do with this information what you wish. Let me tell you that I have proof that one miner, just a single one, mined over half a million Blackcoins in a few hours in one of those 7 days. With that info, you can speculate on your own.

Yesterday I penned a rather lengthy post about the so called "Foundation" trying to explain why it was a hasty land grab and why it was a totally illegitimate move seeking control of this coin ONLY for profit among the people self appointed to its board. Since, we have received all kinds of conflicting information about who is and who isn't on that future board. Apparently, theDoge -mind you, he's calling the shots here, no one else-, has not yet made up his mind. I also stated without any margin for doubt, why it was not ethical that a group of investors would be even remotely close to the pretended "foundation" and went on to explain what they could easily do, on any whim, to control the price of the coin and, logically, benefit from it. Well, I was already late: They have been doing it since day one. Openly, too. Not even bothering to hide. Pumping and dumping... only, theoretically, for show, marginally to TheDoge who may or may not -for him to demonstrate, impossible to prove because he surely has several wallets so showing what's on one will demonstrate nothing- have been dumping his probable millions of coins all along. "Maarx", who for now seems to be intent in remaining "honest", admits to having witnessed at least 5 such schemes in these few weeks. Those schemes took the coin, mind you, above 80k, maybe even 90k, don't recall. The enthusiast that bought on the "1BC = 1 Lambo" and other ra-ra's by "Soepkip" and co, have been halved, so far, or even "2/3-ded". That's damage to the little guy who happens to be honest and knows nothing about the manipulations that now we all know have happened ostensibly under the surface, continue happening now and will, indeed, continue happening under the auspices of "the foundation".

Everyone here knows that I was the first and most acid critic of IconicExplorer's dirty attempt at public manipulation and I want to believe that I had something to do with shooting down that ill-fated, ill-conceived scheme... well, it wasn't me or my critical position toward it what shot it down at all. It was "the group", of course, that wanted to just keeping doing it themselves, like they have been doing from day one. Total control. We now know that with their at least 8 million coins, they can do practically anything they want with the price, controlling it absolutely while benefiting daily from simply switching from Cryptsy to MintPal. That simple.

Everyone here knows that IE is a number of deplorable things, including a ruthless manipulator and as greedy or more than any of the rest of us, bar none. But everyone also knows that he is not a liar and that if anything has ever more importance for him than money, it is probably feeding his ego. He could have "played ball", he definitely was offered the chance to do so. So money was there for the taking, but he refused because he seems to have some very loose values applied to his ego that work in strange ways: He doesn't have any problem promoting a blatant manipulation of the market... as long as it is public -so everyone knows?- while he doesn't participate in back door conspiracies to do exactly the same thing... but behind the backs of the innocent investors who are the ones that are going to be hurt by them. It is a strange ethic, but some ethic, nevertheless. Since I dislike the guy I will have to admit to another peculiar ethic of his that I find admirable: He doesn't believe in unpaid work.

Finally, everyone here knows, clearly, that IE is not a dummy. He may not be the sharpest knife in every kitchen, but obviously he has proven repeatedly that he is not a dumb tool. With that in mind, what would he have to gain antagonizing the bigger part of the dev team -Gritt, Soepkip and the other guy -cant remember his handle off the cuff-, besides all the big-pocketed "investors" that have rushed to grab the land of "the Foundation" following clear instructions to do so by TheDOGE? His quite solid reputation for tirelessly working to increase the price of BlackCoin cannot be argued, not by me -and I find most of his efforts absurdly gimmicky, plus I don't like the guy per se one bit- not even by any detractor of which he had, until recently, none or very, very few. He stood to gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from his exposee. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. -at-all. And, obviously, he would be subjected to all kinds of smearing attacks, legal threats -none of them will materialize, by the way- and discredit campaigns so he won't be able to even sell a single card more. Why would he do it? No, the ego thing? sorry. I know about that significantly more than anyone here and nope, the opposite would be true. If anything his ego would have made him compromise in exchange for a more positive limelight... Incredibly as it might seem, even to me, it is evident that IE's exposee has been made public to take the mask off the conspirators, to make sure the community knows what's going on under the surface and who's the puppet master and to put the ball on our (the community) court. Not only everything he has posted is true, he more than probably has the means to prove it.

What he doesn't know, hilariously, is that it doesn't matter, really. Oh BlackCoin will self-destruct inevitably, no question about that, but in the meantime, this is going to be brushed aside not because the accusations are not true -they are-, but because a active members of the community, in its vast majority, not only simply do not care, but also accept it as "part of the deal". This is, after all, lawless land, remember? So everything actually goes. And what 99% of them want is to see the coin finally break above 30k, it doesn't matter if it is manipulated of not. They are in it for the thrill of the instantly gratified greed, for nothing else. "Pumps and dumps? Part of the deal. Conspiracies behind doors? more power to them, how do I join so I make sure I will not be the one holding the bag? People getting seriously hurt? Huh? they should have known better and not invest in crypto anything they wouldn't be ready to lose...

So the tic..tic..tic... of the bomb keeps on ticking towards it's inevitable implosion. The wise have already started to run for the exits. The crooks will just keep going along as there sheep still to sacrifice and the ra-ra crowd... well, they will keep on with the smearing campaign that, obviously, now will include me too, as the events grant.

Entertaining, indeed.

Seems Legit.

[MuffinMaster]

TIC... TIC... TIC...

In the world of white crime, quoting the unforgettable Gordon Gekko, "greed, for lack of a better word, is good". Translated to the world of crypto, this is probably the understatement of the century. We are all greedy. Hugely greedy. Discard any euphemisms such as "I want this coin to be #1", "I want crypto to change the world" and the myriad others that don't even try to hide the one and only motive behind it all: Greed. To be able to turn a minimal investment in tens, hundreds, thousand, millions or even millions of millions (they call them billions in some parts). Nothing else.

In the real world, greed is -supposedly- countered by legislation. Not in cryptoworld. This is the Wild West, unregulated and unexplored. And no laws apply (yet).

So here we have BlackCoin, a new alt coin that in just over 2 months has reached a high level of success strictly between traders, the greediest ones - I would know, I'm one of them-, run by The Doge of Wall Street (Rat4 is the dev and has only a loose idea of what is going on in the non-tech side of the coin and the other 3 count very little) who is also the 50% owner of the Multipool that gets ALL of BlackCoin's miners' business, not because it is the best, or the safest, or has the better plan, but because it is owned by the guy who runs things around here and that, maybe not too much now -but a significant amount nevertheless already- but stand to make a killing when/if a massive amount of miners come to the Multipool because BlackCoin makes them money. Mind you, The Doge IS BlackCoin, so no need for the competition to apply and offer kickbacks for the pooling business. Plus the fallback pool, CoinAlts, is already on board, enthusiastically, quite happy to play banana (and ball) to the Doge's pool because, well, something is definitely much better than nothing. And if this grows, as expected, there are definitely great possibilities of increased business in the future.

Now, let's debunk a relatively well hidden myth (not pre-mined) -or, to be precise, very little pre-mined. In fact, in the 7 days that BlackCoin was pre-mined, many millions of coins were actually mined. Many. By who, mostly? you guessed it: The Doge. Many others too, of course, but who was there, ready to rumble and fully equipped to amass massive amounts of the coin? again, you guessed it. How many? I have no idea. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of the bulkiest wallets in the top 20 were his. Again, no proof, no fuss, so do with this information what you wish. Let me tell you that I have proof that one miner, just a single one, mined over half a million Blackcoins in a few hours in one of those 7 days. With that info, you can speculate on your own.

Yesterday I penned a rather lengthy post about the so called "Foundation" trying to explain why it was a hasty land grab and why it was a totally illegitimate move seeking control of this coin ONLY for profit among the people self appointed to its board. Since, we have received all kinds of conflicting information about who is and who isn't on that future board. Apparently, theDoge -mind you, he's calling the shots here, no one else-, has not yet made up his mind. I also stated without any margin for doubt, why it was not ethical that a group of investors would be even remotely close to the pretended "foundation" and went on to explain what they could easily do, on any whim, to control the price of the coin and, logically, benefit from it. Well, I was already late: They have been doing it since day one. Openly, too. Not even bothering to hide. Pumping and dumping... only, theoretically, for show, marginally to TheDoge who may or may not -for him to demonstrate, impossible to prove because he surely has several wallets so showing what's on one will demonstrate nothing- have been dumping his probable millions of coins all along. "Maarx", who for now seems to be intent in remaining "honest", admits to having witnessed at least 5 such schemes in these few weeks. Those schemes took the coin, mind you, above 80k, maybe even 90k, don't recall. The enthusiast that bought on the "1BC = 1 Lambo" and other ra-ra's by "Soepkip" and co, have been halved, so far, or even "2/3-ded". That's damage to the little guy who happens to be honest and knows nothing about the manipulations that now we all know have happened ostensibly under the surface, continue happening now and will, indeed, continue happening under the auspices of "the foundation".

Everyone here knows that I was the first and most acid critic of IconicExplorer's dirty attempt at public manipulation and I want to believe that I had something to do with shooting down that ill-fated, ill-conceived scheme... well, it wasn't me or my critical position toward it what shot it down at all. It was "the group", of course, that wanted to just keeping doing it themselves, like they have been doing from day one. Total control. We now know that with their at least 8 million coins, they can do practically anything they want with the price, controlling it absolutely while benefiting daily from simply switching from Cryptsy to MintPal. That simple.

Everyone here knows that IE is a number of deplorable things, including a ruthless manipulator and as greedy or more than any of the rest of us, bar none. But everyone also knows that he is not a liar and that if anything has ever more importance for him than money, it is probably feeding his ego. He could have "played ball", he definitely was offered the chance to do so. So money was there for the taking, but he refused because he seems to have some very loose values applied to his ego that work in strange ways: He doesn't have any problem promoting a blatant manipulation of the market... as long as it is public -so everyone knows?- while he doesn't participate in back door conspiracies to do exactly the same thing... but behind the backs of the innocent investors who are the ones that are going to be hurt by them. It is a strange ethic, but some ethic, nevertheless. Since I dislike the guy I will have to admit to another peculiar ethic of his that I find admirable: He doesn't believe in unpaid work.

Finally, everyone here knows, clearly, that IE is not a dummy. He may not be the sharpest knife in every kitchen, but obviously he has proven repeatedly that he is not a dumb tool. With that in mind, what would he have to gain antagonizing the bigger part of the dev team -Gritt, Soepkip and the other guy -cant remember his handle off the cuff-, besides all the big-pocketed "investors" that have rushed to grab the land of "the Foundation" following clear instructions to do so by TheDOGE? His quite solid reputation for tirelessly working to increase the price of BlackCoin cannot be argued, not by me -and I find most of his efforts absurdly gimmicky, plus I don't like the guy per se one bit- not even by any detractor of which he had, until recently, none or very, very few. He stood to gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from his exposee. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. -at-all. And, obviously, he would be subjected to all kinds of smearing attacks, legal threats -none of them will materialize, by the way- and discredit campaigns so he won't be able to even sell a single card more. Why would he do it? No, the ego thing? sorry. I know about that significantly more than anyone here and nope, the opposite would be true. If anything his ego would have made him compromise in exchange for a more positive limelight... Incredibly as it might seem, even to me, it is evident that IE's exposee has been made public to take the mask off the conspirators, to make sure the community knows what's going on under the surface and who's the puppet master and to put the ball on our (the community) court. Not only everything he has posted is true, he more than probably has the means to prove it.

What he doesn't know, hilariously, is that it doesn't matter, really. Oh BlackCoin will self-destruct inevitably, no question about that, but in the meantime, this is going to be brushed aside not because the accusations are not true -they are-, but because a active members of the community, in its vast majority, not only simply do not care, but also accept it as "part of the deal". This is, after all, lawless land, remember? So everything actually goes. And what 99% of them want is to see the coin finally break above 30k, it doesn't matter if it is manipulated of not. They are in it for the thrill of the instantly gratified greed, for nothing else. "Pumps and dumps? Part of the deal. Conspiracies behind doors? more power to them, how do I join so I make sure I will not be the one holding the bag? People getting seriously hurt? Huh? they should have known better and not invest in crypto anything they wouldn't be ready to lose...

So the tic..tic..tic... of the bomb keeps on ticking towards it's inevitable implosion. The wise have already started to run for the exits. The crooks will just keep going along as there sheep still to sacrifice and the ra-ra crowd... well, they will keep on with the smearing campaign that, obviously, now will include me too, as the events grant.

Entertaining, indeed.

Seems Legit.

this has nothing to do with muffins

[colinfx]

Update: My donation match has raised $6,220 in just 24 hours!!! Thank You!

BACK TO BUSINESS!

Dear BlackCoin Community,

I'm blown away by the potential of the upcoming 90 day PR campaign. Our lovely coin will be catapulted onto the world stage and I firmly believe this will be immensely beneficial to BC. So over the weekend I thought, "what can I do to help BlackCoin?" in addition to my donations to all projects already?

Well. I've decided to put all my efforts into assisting with the PR campaign by making FURTHER donations to the cause equal to those raised by the community up to a value of $5,000.

I promise to match EVERY donation from now onwards for 24 hours up to a total of $5,000. You can pay in any of the official denominations. For accounting purposes I need you to list your donation transaction ID on reddit, I will then match it 100%. I will be promoting my fund raiser on Reddit, Twitter and BitCoinTalk.

Official donation addresses:

BC: BTfqh99d8DcKWrd4hFYLR7D2bAYDdAKV3Q    
BTC: 1MAGvdGMCAaJysMBgA5uFRBUFQ25AkUWQV    
LTC: LSGPviYMYmgF2RiXVuXG1U4iVz3drk3JvR  
Doge: DNkmhknWWx6ogrHaTy9X2SLft9ouwhCNs1
Paypal: http://www.blackcoin.co/donate/

Tell me about your donation HERE on Reddit, and I will match it:

http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/24si9s/i_will_match_your_pr_donations_to_5000_for_24/

So, please help me reach my target, together we can add $10,000 to the fund raised. If you have already donated (like me) then consider donating AGAIN as I'm going double it for you! Let's get BlackCoin to $1 sooner rather than later!!

Let's get this PR campaign underway and prove what an AWESOME COMMUNITY we are!

You can find more about the PR campaign here: http://www.blackcoin.co/general/the-next-step-for-blackcoin-hiring-an-pr-agency/

Thank you for donations so far guys!

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Come on guys - BlackCoin needs YOU!

Let's take BlackCoin to the TOP! First coin with Professional Marketing - 90 day campaign!

[L3pje]

[brammien]

Not going to reddit, but if you post it here i'll read it. reddit is fine, but not for me, and I'd rather it be in the open here if there is an explaination to this.

You deliberately deprive yourself of knowledge to make what point exactly?
PMSL

Nope, I want you to bring the info here so we can all see it. Reddit can be manipulated by the mob on up and downvotes, I'm not playing there with such as dishonest bunch of manipulators, I'll play in this sandbox. Bring the info here if it's important and we'll discuss it, otherwise, I'm not playing by your rules and obvious attempts to move conversation to where it's easier to downvote.

[acseric]

I think that IE and Barabbas should only be allowed to post crazy conspiracy walls of next from this point on.

Nothing else.  Only unibomberesque manifestos!

[Subtuppel]

ironically this whole circus started today - probably the first day in weeks where no one was constantly dumping.

still no proof from either side, maybe i'll find something when i am back, g'nite folks.

[derBruchpilotPro]

barabbas: Then we all have here a problem...
A coin without a supporting GROUP can hardly came up between these 10000 Shitcoins,

If theres no group who holds some of the coins there is no motivation.

How do you think is it possible to make a coin todays which is not self-destructing?
Blackcoin is IMHO the best you can get ATM, how to make an ALTcoin successful like Litecoin in your opinion?

[derBruchpilotPro]

ironically this whole circus started today - probably the first day in weeks where no one was constantly dumping.

still no proof from either side, maybe i'll find something when i am back, g'nite folks.

maybe https://twitter.com/CryptoPlankton/status/463735045015240704

[Thomas-s]

TIC... TIC... TIC...

In the world of white crime, quoting the unforgettable Gordon Gekko, "greed, for lack of a better word, is good". Translated to the world of crypto, this is probably the understatement of the century. We are all greedy. Hugely greedy. Discard any euphemisms such as "I want this coin to be #1", "I want crypto to change the world" and the myriad others that don't even try to hide the one and only motive behind it all: Greed. To be able to turn a minimal investment in tens, hundreds, thousand, millions or even millions of millions (they call them billions in some parts). Nothing else.

In the real world, greed is -supposedly- countered by legislation. Not in cryptoworld. This is the Wild West, unregulated and unexplored. And no laws apply (yet).

So here we have BlackCoin, a new alt coin that in just over 2 months has reached a high level of success strictly between traders, the greediest ones - I would know, I'm one of them-, run by The Doge of Wall Street (Rat4 is the dev and has only a loose idea of what is going on in the non-tech side of the coin and the other 3 count very little) who is also the 50% owner of the Multipool that gets ALL of BlackCoin's miners' business, not because it is the best, or the safest, or has the better plan, but because it is owned by the guy who runs things around here and that, maybe not too much now -but a significant amount nevertheless already- but stand to make a killing when/if a massive amount of miners come to the Multipool because BlackCoin makes them money. Mind you, The Doge IS BlackCoin, so no need for the competition to apply and offer kickbacks for the pooling business. Plus the fallback pool, CoinAlts, is already on board, enthusiastically, quite happy to play banana (and ball) to the Doge's pool because, well, something is definitely much better than nothing. And if this grows, as expected, there are definitely great possibilities of increased business in the future.

Now, let's debunk a relatively well hidden myth (not pre-mined) -or, to be precise, very little pre-mined. In fact, in the 7 days that BlackCoin was pre-mined, many millions of coins were actually mined. Many. By who, mostly? you guessed it: The Doge. Many others too, of course, but who was there, ready to rumble and fully equipped to amass massive amounts of the coin? again, you guessed it. How many? I have no idea. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of the bulkiest wallets in the top 20 were his. Again, no proof, no fuss, so do with this information what you wish. Let me tell you that I have proof that one miner, just a single one, mined over half a million Blackcoins in a few hours in one of those 7 days. With that info, you can speculate on your own.

Yesterday I penned a rather lengthy post about the so called "Foundation" trying to explain why it was a hasty land grab and why it was a totally illegitimate move seeking control of this coin ONLY for profit among the people self appointed to its board. Since, we have received all kinds of conflicting information about who is and who isn't on that future board. Apparently, theDoge -mind you, he's calling the shots here, no one else-, has not yet made up his mind. I also stated without any margin for doubt, why it was not ethical that a group of investors would be even remotely close to the pretended "foundation" and went on to explain what they could easily do, on any whim, to control the price of the coin and, logically, benefit from it. Well, I was already late: They have been doing it since day one. Openly, too. Not even bothering to hide. Pumping and dumping... only, theoretically, for show, marginally to TheDoge who may or may not -for him to demonstrate, impossible to prove because he surely has several wallets so showing what's on one will demonstrate nothing- have been dumping his probable millions of coins all along. "Maarx", who for now seems to be intent in remaining "honest", admits to having witnessed at least 5 such schemes in these few weeks. Those schemes took the coin, mind you, above 80k, maybe even 90k, don't recall. The enthusiast that bought on the "1BC = 1 Lambo" and other ra-ra's by "Soepkip" and co, have been halved, so far, or even "2/3-ded". That's damage to the little guy who happens to be honest and knows nothing about the manipulations that now we all know have happened ostensibly under the surface, continue happening now and will, indeed, continue happening under the auspices of "the foundation".

Everyone here knows that I was the first and most acid critic of IconicExplorer's dirty attempt at public manipulation and I want to believe that I had something to do with shooting down that ill-fated, ill-conceived scheme... well, it wasn't me or my critical position toward it what shot it down at all. It was "the group", of course, that wanted to just keeping doing it themselves, like they have been doing from day one. Total control. We now know that with their at least 8 million coins, they can do practically anything they want with the price, controlling it absolutely while benefiting daily from simply switching from Cryptsy to MintPal. That simple.

Everyone here knows that IE is a number of deplorable things, including a ruthless manipulator and as greedy or more than any of the rest of us, bar none. But everyone also knows that he is not a liar and that if anything has ever more importance for him than money, it is probably feeding his ego. He could have "played ball", he definitely was offered the chance to do so. So money was there for the taking, but he refused because he seems to have some very loose values applied to his ego that work in strange ways: He doesn't have any problem promoting a blatant manipulation of the market... as long as it is public -so everyone knows?- while he doesn't participate in back door conspiracies to do exactly the same thing... but behind the backs of the innocent investors who are the ones that are going to be hurt by them. It is a strange ethic, but some ethic, nevertheless. Since I dislike the guy I will have to admit to another peculiar ethic of his that I find admirable: He doesn't believe in unpaid work.

Finally, everyone here knows, clearly, that IE is not a dummy. He may not be the sharpest knife in every kitchen, but obviously he has proven repeatedly that he is not a dumb tool. With that in mind, what would he have to gain antagonizing the bigger part of the dev team -Gritt, Soepkip and the other guy -cant remember his handle off the cuff-, besides all the big-pocketed "investors" that have rushed to grab the land of "the Foundation" following clear instructions to do so by TheDOGE? His quite solid reputation for tirelessly working to increase the price of BlackCoin cannot be argued, not by me -and I find most of his efforts absurdly gimmicky, plus I don't like the guy per se one bit- not even by any detractor of which he had, until recently, none or very, very few. He stood to gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from his exposee. N.O.T.H.I.N.G. -at-all. And, obviously, he would be subjected to all kinds of smearing attacks, legal threats -none of them will materialize, by the way- and discredit campaigns so he won't be able to even sell a single card more. Why would he do it? No, the ego thing? sorry. I know about that significantly more than anyone here and nope, the opposite would be true. If anything his ego would have made him compromise in exchange for a more positive limelight... Incredibly as it might seem, even to me, it is evident that IE's exposee has been made public to take the mask off the conspirators, to make sure the community knows what's going on under the surface and who's the puppet master and to put the ball on our (the community) court. Not only everything he has posted is true, he more than probably has the means to prove it.

What he doesn't know, hilariously, is that it doesn't matter, really. Oh BlackCoin will self-destruct inevitably, no question about that, but in the meantime, this is going to be brushed aside not because the accusations are not true -they are-, but because a active members of the community, in its vast majority, not only simply do not care, but also accept it as "part of the deal". This is, after all, lawless land, remember? So everything actually goes. And what 99% of them want is to see the coin finally break above 30k, it doesn't matter if it is manipulated of not. They are in it for the thrill of the instantly gratified greed, for nothing else. "Pumps and dumps? Part of the deal. Conspiracies behind doors? more power to them, how do I join so I make sure I will not be the one holding the bag? People getting seriously hurt? Huh? they should have known better and not invest in crypto anything they wouldn't be ready to lose...

So the tic..tic..tic... of the bomb keeps on ticking towards it's inevitable implosion. The wise have already started to run for the exits. The crooks will just keep going along as there sheep still to sacrifice and the ra-ra crowd... well, they will keep on with the smearing campaign that, obviously, now will include me too, as the events grant.

Entertaining, indeed.

Too bad everyone will ignore or ridicule this post.

[MuffinMaster]

ironically this whole circus started today - probably the first day in weeks where no one was constantly dumping.

still no proof from either side, maybe i'll find something when i am back, g'nite folks.

[acseric]

ironically this whole circus started today - probably the first day in weeks where no one was constantly dumping.

still no proof from either side, maybe i'll find something when i am back, g'nite folks.

Wait a minute.  I was told there would be muffins!!!

[alison03]

Not going to reddit, but if you post it here i'll read it. reddit is fine, but not for me, and I'd rather it be in the open here if there is an explaination to this.

You deliberately deprive yourself of knowledge to make what point exactly?
PMSL

Nope, I want you to bring the info here so we can all see it. Reddit can be manipulated by the mob on up and downvotes, I'm not playing there with such as dishonest bunch of manipulators, I'll play in this sandbox. Bring the info here if it's important and we'll discuss it, otherwise, I'm not playing by your rules and obvious attempts to move conversation to where it's easier to downvote.

but posting here with 1500+ pages of text is easier where there is almost no line of consistent thought process because people are holding multiple conversations/arguing/posting ideas/spreading fud all at the same time?