[INFO] Topps Allen & Ginter Reference Thread

[Mrstacy]

If I have the right card, the Alpha Black Lotus had 1,100 produced.  Man. now i think those bullish on our beloved 2018 83 crypto card may be right.  But, they have to wait 20+ years to strike it rich??

https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/magic-the-gathering-alpha-black-lotus/

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[dolphriends]

If I have the right card, the Alpha Black Lotus had 1,100 produced.  Man. now i think those bullish on our beloved 2018 83 crypto card may be right.  But, they have to wait 20+ years to strike it rich??

https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/magic-the-gathering-alpha-black-lotus/

The one on ebay is the beta, always hard for me to spot the difference, I think the corners are different a little

[Fattcatt]

Up another $1000, I'm betting over $50,000.oo  2 days to go

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Magic-The-Gathering-MTG-Beta-Black-Lotus-R-A-BGS-9-5-GEM-MINT-PWCC/401788925291

[Fattcatt]

Now over $50,000....amazing what some paper can sell for.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Magic-The-Gathering-MTG-Beta-Black-Lotus-R-A-BGS-9-5-GEM-MINT-PWCC/401788925291



Update: over $60,000.00 now, with 10 hours to go.

[dolphriends]

Now over $50,000....amazing what some paper can sell for.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Magic-The-Gathering-MTG-Beta-Black-Lotus-R-A-BGS-9-5-GEM-MINT-PWCC/401788925291

Can you imagine owning all four printing plates, "The Rainbow" of the crytocurrency #83.  One of the big auction houses would need to handle it so bidding could be worldwide. We are talking some serious numbers.

[Mrstacy]

Now over $50,000....amazing what some paper can sell for.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1993-Magic-The-Gathering-MTG-Beta-Black-Lotus-R-A-BGS-9-5-GEM-MINT-PWCC/401788925291

Can you imagine owning all four printing plates, "The Rainbow" of the crytocurrency #83.  One of the big auction houses would need to handle it so bidding could be worldwide. We are talking some serious numbers.

No one was smart/lucky enough to get all 4 i'm thinking, but that would be an epic auction for sure.  Like finding a siamese unicorn born on leap year - a rare combination

[dolphriends]

Does anyone know how many X Black Base were created?

Can't quite remember but, their were 200 cases and I think someone said they found 1 in two cases so maybe 100 but, not sure.

[Spokanistan51]

Does anyone know how many X Black Base were created?

Can't quite remember but, their were 200 cases and I think someone said they found 1 in two cases so maybe 100 but, not sure.

I believe the black X minis were limited to 100. The full size black X cards are more numerous, not sure how many though.

[anonymousminer]

Does anyone know how many X Black Base were created?

Can't quite remember but, their were 200 cases and I think someone said they found 1 in two cases so maybe 100 but, not sure.

I believe the black X minis were limited to 100. The full size black X cards are more numerous, not sure how many though.

There were way more than 100 full size ginter x cards.  I'd imagine at least 500 up to maybe 1500 of them

[Fattcatt]

So if 1500, kinda like the NOT very first crypto stamp RED Edition, then huh?

[anonymousminer]

Thanks for the replies guys. So then the X Black Base with up to maybe 1,500 would possibly align with the 1,100 Alpha Black Lotus Magic Cards at some point.

T206 Wagner with 200 total produced and 57 existing could possibly be X Mini which has less than 100 and who knows how many in actual existence.

Red's would be pieces of priceless art.

1/1 Silver and Printing Plates....

Is this a wild line of thinking with future pricing? And if Moore's Law is applied to the art world considering the growth pattern of crypto would we need to wait 100-200 years or 10-20? We shall see.

All printing plates are spoken for and safe.....

The whereabouts of the silver is not known and a couple of the reds are not known either.

[Fattcatt]

Let's not forget about the Topps Vault 1/1 cards: there were a couple of them. Ie:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-Allen-amp-Ginter-3-Card-Mini-Strip-Cryptocurrency-/352512775973?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=bUL%252FJLhOZEBQ2qH6m2I9LIHHQ0Q%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc

[Fattcatt]

Or all of the 5x7 sets. Of which there was a #83 error card, also a 1/1.  And the Jumbo/Poster Topps Cryptocurrency # 1- 100

Gold 5x7 sets were $1400 to buy, and were numbered to 10...these sets cost the bucks, way more than the other sets originally.

Color 5 x 7 sets were $700 to buy, and were numbered to 49...so if these cost a lot more, doesn't it stand to reason that they would also be
so moving forward? Historically speaking.

[Mrstacy]

Or all of the 5x7 sets. Of which there was a #83 error card, also a 1/1.  And the Jumbo/Poster Topps Cryptocurrency # 1- 100

Gold 5x7 sets were $1400 to buy, and were numbered to 10...these sets cost the bucks, way more than the other sets originally.

Color 5 x 7 sets were $700 to buy, and were numbered to 49...so if these cost a lot more, doesn't it stand to reason that they would also be
so moving forward? Historically speaking.

if i had a black lotus 5x7 of any stripe, i'd have a permanent smile for sure.  I'm thinking if the price of any 83 card takes off, they all will.  Also, the time factor, Over time, cards left in the wild tend to get damaged, so graded cards will go for a premium.

[Fattcatt]

is there still just the one x mini black with a 10, or have there been more now?

[anonymousminer]

Or all of the 5x7 sets. Of which there was a #83 error card, also a 1/1.  And the Jumbo/Poster Topps Cryptocurrency # 1- 100

Gold 5x7 sets were $1400 to buy, and were numbered to 10...these sets cost the bucks, way more than the other sets originally.

Color 5 x 7 sets were $700 to buy, and were numbered to 49...so if these cost a lot more, doesn't it stand to reason that they would also be
so moving forward? Historically speaking.

These are not relevant to this part of the conversation TBH, as they were not found in boxes.... just a straight purchase from topps.  The discussion was about cards found in the boxes, not a shill of what you have sitting in your safe.  Those 5x7s are in the hands of only a couple people.  I don't see the 5x7s doing nearly what the regular cards will do.

[Mrstacy]

is there still just the one x mini black with a 10, or have there been more now?

Just that one insider (total speculation and jealousy on my part) with the PSA 10.

[Mrstacy]

Or all of the 5x7 sets. Of which there was a #83 error card, also a 1/1.  And the Jumbo/Poster Topps Cryptocurrency # 1- 100

Gold 5x7 sets were $1400 to buy, and were numbered to 10...these sets cost the bucks, way more than the other sets originally.

Color 5 x 7 sets were $700 to buy, and were numbered to 49...so if these cost a lot more, doesn't it stand to reason that they would also be
so moving forward? Historically speaking.

These are not relevant to this part of the conversation TBH, as they were not found in boxes.... just a straight purchase from topps.  The discussion was about cards found in the boxes, not a shill of what you have sitting in your safe.  Those 5x7s are in the hands of only a couple people.  I don't see the 5x7s doing nearly what the regular cards will do.

We all think our kids and possessions are the best and prettiest - Human nature. 

[Mrstacy]

is there still just the one x mini black with a 10, or have there been more now?

Oddly enough, there have been no graded red minis.  I for one would just get it authenticated at the least. if it is a 7, it is still worth a ton or am i off here?

[Mrstacy]

Thanks for the replies guys. So then the X Black Base with up to maybe 1,500 would possibly align with the 1,100 Alpha Black Lotus Magic Cards at some point.

T206 Wagner with 200 total produced and 57 existing could possibly be X Mini which has less than 100 and who knows how many in actual existence.

Red's would be pieces of priceless art.

1/1 Silver and Printing Plates....

Is this a wild line of thinking with future pricing? And if Moore's Law is applied to the art world considering the growth pattern of crypto would we need to wait 100-200 years or 10-20? We shall see.

All printing plates are spoken for and safe.....

The whereabouts of the silver is not known and a couple of the reds are not known either.

Wow. if you or someone did the impossible (collecting all 4 printing plates). That'd be the accomplishment of the century or even millennium.