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Reed really isn't that good on the ground and even if she is at this match, Lookboonmee as the shorter fighter has a lower center of gravity that could make it harder for Reed to take her down. If anything I think it's Lookboonmee who could take Reed down via body lock and trip take down. But pretty confident it will stay on the feet. I got her at the top.
As for Volk, I get why some folks fancy him. The line is too wide imho as Volk is tough. It could go for the whole 5 rounds and I worry about Makhachev's cardio if pushed.
I've seen some decent ground game from her, it's just she's awful getting there. Although, I'll be going for Lookboonmee her striking is crisp, and she gets the volume out there. In close matches where a finish isn't probable then volume wins you the fights. Yeah, I've seen Makhachev's cardio struggle before, and Volky is literally the king of cardio. I'm not betting on it, as it's just too unpredictable, but I'll be cheering on Volk you can guarantee that. A few weeks ago when they first announced the odds he was at 4.00 which is absolutely crazy to be rated that low. I haven't checked yet, but will be tomorrow when I hope to get the predictions out for this event. ^ It's either gonna be a long and close match with guys siding with Volk going 'see, what did you guys expect?' or a really short one with Makhachev subbing Volk in under 2.5 rounds with the Makhachev guys saying 'see, what did you guys expect?'. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Whatever happens, it's gonna be a great event. Can't wait for the weigh ins and the face offs! Anyway, some talks going around that Emmett has some sort of hip injury coming into this fight. Not sure about it tho. It could be just that. Rumors.
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So, I really like Maddalena, and I'd normally fancy him over most of the competition, but Randy Brown is worrying me. Maddalena can be a little sloppy at times, and he could get caught, and knocked out. Also, looking forward to seeing Jamie Mullarkey again. He'll be high on my list of favourites that's for sure. A real tough fighter, and leaves everything in the octagon. Honestly, this is a good event this weekend, I feel like a lot of people are sleeping on this. Some very good matchups, and I see some potential for money earned. Anyway, some talks going around that Emmett has some sort of hip injury coming into this fight. Not sure about it tho. It could be just that. Rumors.
Where are you hearing these rumours? I swear, sometimes I feel like I go in blind because I never really hear this type of thing, and just bet on tape I've watched in the past. Knowing some of this insider stuff could be what gives me my big break ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) .
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Anyway, some talks going around that Emmett has some sort of hip injury coming into this fight. Not sure about it tho. It could be just that. Rumors.
I didn't hear anything about this but I know many fighters have some injuries they are trying to hide, just remember how Michael Bisping was fighting with one eye during his MMA carrier. They need to pass medical tests before fight starts but they have little tricks how to bypass them. Problem for me is becoming Dana White, now he said that Makhachev don't know anything about fight promotion and he couldn't even remember his name. This guy is going to ruin UFC if he continues behaving like this, cocaine and whores are making him more crazy than ever.
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I didn't hear anything about this but I know many fighters have some injuries they are trying to hide, just remember how Michael Bisping was fighting with one eye during his MMA carrier. They need to pass medical tests before fight starts but they have little tricks how to bypass them. Problem for me is becoming Dana White, now he said that Makhachev don't know anything about fight promotion and he couldn't even remember his name. This guy is going to ruin UFC if he continues behaving like this, cocaine and whores are making he more crazy than ever.
Bisping is a legend, but it's kind of sad what he gave to the UFC. However, he's obviously had a very successful career, and stil does with the commentary. I'm kind of glad when the UFC found out about him hiding it, they didn't give him too much trouble. They could've easily made a statement by banning him from events, as well as competing. Obviously, I think it was revealed after he decided to retire which is probably one of the reasons it wasn't made a big deal of. Makhachev doesn't really do a lot of promotion. He hasn't got the personality, probably due to the fact his English is limited. That's understandable though, not every fighter is good with words. It does mean they won't be as big of a superstar as someone who can talk, and fight though. Conor is the prime example of that.
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Makhachev doesn't really do a lot of promotion. He hasn't got the personality, probably due to the fact his English is limited. That's understandable though, not every fighter is good with words. It does mean they won't be as big of a superstar as someone who can talk, and fight though. Conor is the prime example of that.
But it's not up to fighters to act like clowns and promote fights, UFC should do that, fighters should focus more on training. Just read all the stupid comments Dana made in last few weeks, man is either crazy or high all the time, he likes to piss on people's head and make them look weak, so you can understand who fighters are complaining so much. He doesn't respect people at all, even his own mother said this.
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Interesting to read that if Conor McGregor wins his next fight he’ll immediately be given a title shot. I don’t blame the UFC for making his path incredibly easy given that he’s their cash cow, but I imagine a lot of fighters are going to be angry about this and want to take Conor’s head off as a result. He’s going to have a hard time on this next run I think. Not sure he’s going to become champion ever again. I wouldn’t want to be the first guy to face him in his comeback though.
For me, he is one point that made the UFC well known and in that kind of antics I think the UFC has gained many fans, or many people have known the UFC because of him, well including myself, well the hype of Conor McGregor has made me interested with the UFC, but I was really aware of MMA, and before Khabib Nurmagomedov, Conor McGregor was the light that shines brightly for new fans of the sport and the UFC, I think we can all agree of it, But yeah Conor McGregor now might have some spark, but not like the old McGregor that still has his shine and prime, for me there will be many technical fighters that can defeat him now, but if he becomes more technical then maybe he could have a chance, Bisping is a legend, but it's kind of sad what he gave to the UFC. However, he's obviously had a very successful career, and stil does with the commentary. I'm kind of glad when the UFC found out about him hiding it, they didn't give him too much trouble. They could've easily made a statement by banning him from events, as well as competing. Obviously, I think it was revealed after he decided to retire which is probably one of the reasons it wasn't made a big deal of.
Makhachev doesn't really do a lot of promotion. He hasn't got the personality, probably due to the fact his English is limited. That's understandable though, not every fighter is good with words. It does mean they won't be as big of a superstar as someone who can talk, and fight though. Conor is the prime example of that.
Bisping is a legend and I really liked his character and how he talked and protected the MMA community, and actually seeing him fight back then without even revealing his status with his eyes it was really something else you will surely never notice about it until he revealed it publicly, and I think that Dana White and the UFC have truly inspired on what he achieved with just one eye, and surely he is great in speaking and talking so likely he is a good commentator for the UFC, Well Islam Makhachev doesn't really need to promote himself and his skills and winning will promote on their own, while I think Conor McGregor can also be just like Cormier, or Bisping for the UFC but with that kind of temper and that mouth running wild I really doubt he ever is just like them,
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Khamzat Chimaev doesn't go to the ground with Gilbert Burns because he knows that he will surely struggle and have a hard time with him on the ground because of Burns Physique, and Gilburt Burns also doesn't went for the takedowns and don't want to engage with Chimaev on the ground, because he is doubting his capabilities in the ground,
Several hours ago I have finished watching latest interview with Chimaev, and he has told that he could go fight Burns on the ground and win him. He has said that his wrestling and grappling is better than Burns. But, he has told/bet with his brother that he will rip Burns head off. So he was after KO in that fight. That is why his coach was angry on him, because they thought Burns was more dangerous standing, than on the ground ( https://youtu.be/hRXML6AQgmw?t=1112 just turn on English subs if you want to watch it). Maybe he is just showing off or as usual, feels like a invincible. Chimaev was offered to fight Whittaker. But he did not want to fight in Australia, because of visa problems (dont know if this is a big issue for fighters). Instead he has offered to fight in the US, Vegas, while he has valid visa till April. Whittaker refuses that offer. Or Chimaev was always ready to fight in UAE.
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But it's not up to fighters to act like clowns and promote fights, UFC should do that, fighters should focus more on training. Just read all the stupid comments Dana made in last few weeks, man is either crazy or high all the time, he likes to piss on people's head and make them look weak, so you can understand who fighters are complaining so much. He doesn't respect people at all, even his own mother said this.
Yeah, unfortunately Dana wants to be involved, but he isn't the best spokesman for the UFC. Obviously, been involved in a lot of controversy recently too which isn't a good look on the brand, and generally makes the public think less of him, and the UFC as a result. I do think fighters need to sell themselves though, they don't have to act like clowns or even like Conor, but bring some personality into it otherwise people tend to not follow you. My favourite fighters all have a bit of personality about them, and I don't think they act like clowns. Sometimes, Izzy can overstep the fact for sure, but generally if you listen to him he's quite level headed, and has some insightful conversations. Several hours ago I have finished watching latest interview with Chimaev, and he has told that he could go fight Burns on the ground and win him. He has said that his wrestling and grappling is better than Burns. But, he has told/bet with his brother that he will rip Burns head off. So he was after KO in that fight. That is why his coach was angry on him, because they thought Burns was more dangerous standing, than on the ground ( https://youtu.be/hRXML6AQgmw?t=1112 just turn on English subs if you want to watch it). Maybe he is just showing off or as usual, feels like a invincible. Chimaev was offered to fight Whittaker. But he did not want to fight in Australia, because of visa problems (dont know if this is a big issue for fighters). Instead he has offered to fight in the US, Vegas, while he has valid visa till April. Whittaker refuses that offer. Or Chimaev was always ready to fight in UAE. I mean, Burns did threaten on the ground too. I don't dispute the fact that Chimaev is better at wrestling, but Burns can submit anyone, and Chimaev found that out quite early on. The only point I was really worried was the ground, and pound from Chimaev on Burns, but Burns just started whacking away, and didn't seem all that bothered. I'd actually put money on Burns submitting Chimaev, especially if he can get him tired before it hits the ground.
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I do think fighters need to sell themselves though
I also think that fighters needs to help UFC sell their fights. Nowadays it is not enough to be just a good fighters, you need to be a businessman also. There are lot of great fighters whos career is on pause (they dont get higher ranked opponents or title fight quick) because they are boring at conference, they are not interested in to watch. Like Paddy Pimblett can sell more tickets and PPV subscriptions than top10-top15 of his division. The disability to sell themselves is a huge problem to all non US fighters, despite few who are fluent in English. And that is a big problem imho.
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Anyway, some talks going around that Emmett has some sort of hip injury coming into this fight. Not sure about it tho. It could be just that. Rumors.
Where are you hearing these rumours? I swear, sometimes I feel like I go in blind because I never really hear this type of thing, and just bet on tape I've watched in the past. Knowing some of this insider stuff could be what gives me my big break ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) . They've been going around for the last couple of days or so with tweets like this... https://twitter.com/anyaction_/status/1623417079436283904I'm really not sure if it's all being spread on purpose cos it's all a rumor or if there's some insider leak from Emmett's team. But one thing's for sure, the lines are kinda moving towards Rodriguez's favor. His line was 1.67 a week ago and now it's at around 1.58 - 1.59 depending on the book. So the rumor and seeing how the line is reacting prolly shows that there's some truth to it..?
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I mean, Burns did threaten on the ground too. I don't dispute the fact that Chimaev is better at wrestling, but Burns can submit anyone, and Chimaev found that out quite early on. The only point I was really worried was the ground, and pound from Chimaev on Burns, but Burns just started whacking away, and didn't seem all that bothered. I'd actually put money on Burns submitting Chimaev, especially if he can get him tired before it hits the ground.
Khamzat is actually going to be the one to win in this fight. He is more of an all rounded Fighter compared to his opponent Gilbert Burns. I think this is going to be a very close fight between both of these fighters. I honestly do not think that, even though Khamzat is very confident about his ground game, he is still not going to try to wrestle for a long time with Gilbert Burns. Because as you said Burns can submit anyone. We have seen Khamzat get tagged before. So we know that can happen. He is a good fighter but not invincible.
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Khamzat is actually going to be the one to win in this fight. He is more of an all rounded Fighter compared to his opponent Gilbert Burns. I think this is going to be a very close fight between both of these fighters. I honestly do not think that, even though Khamzat is very confident about his ground game, he is still not going to try to wrestle for a long time with Gilbert Burns. Because as you said Burns can submit anyone. We have seen Khamzat get tagged before. So we know that can happen. He is a good fighter but not invincible.
I don't know about that, I mean Burns is pretty well rounded. He pretty much knocked out Chimaev for a split second the last fight. Chimaev literally face planted the floor, and I actually think Burns won that fight. However, I can see why they gave the fight to Chimaev. Although, I definitely do disagree I think Burns is more well rounded than Chimaev. Burns is a black belt in BJJ, and is one of the most dangerous with his submissions. Burns had the better of Chimaev on the feet for me personally. I'm not going to say that Burns wins this, I will say that it's probably one of the hardest fights Chimaev will have, simply because Burns actually has a presence on the ground, where as a lot of other fighters don't have that same threat. It'll be a good fight regardless of who wins, and I'm glad they're doing the rematch.
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February 09, 2023, 06:53:35 PM |
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Khamzat is actually going to be the one to win in this fight. He is more of an all rounded Fighter compared to his opponent Gilbert Burns. I think this is going to be a very close fight between both of these fighters. I honestly do not think that, even though Khamzat is very confident about his ground game, he is still not going to try to wrestle for a long time with Gilbert Burns. Because as you said Burns can submit anyone. We have seen Khamzat get tagged before. So we know that can happen. He is a good fighter but not invincible.
I don't know about that, I mean Burns is pretty well rounded. He pretty much knocked out Chimaev for a split second the last fight. Chimaev literally face planted the floor, and I actually think Burns won that fight. However, I can see why they gave the fight to Chimaev. Although, I definitely do disagree I think Burns is more well rounded than Chimaev. Burns is a black belt in BJJ, and is one of the most dangerous with his submissions. Burns had the better of Chimaev on the feet for me personally. I'm not going to say that Burns wins this, I will say that it's probably one of the hardest fights Chimaev will have, simply because Burns actually has a presence on the ground, where as a lot of other fighters don't have that same threat. It'll be a good fight regardless of who wins, and I'm glad they're doing the rematch. And so Dana found someone who can potentially beat Khamzat. You can look at this as the first fight between Usman and Edwards that end up in a decision. That 1st Usman vs Edwards fight put Usman already in a bad position even when he took down Edwards. It took several years before Dana pull Edwards back to have a rematch and indeed, Edwards can defeat Usman. If Dana wants Khamzat to be defeated one day, he will put back Burns. Unfortunately, Burns is already 36.
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Khamzat is actually going to be the one to win in this fight. He is more of an all rounded Fighter compared to his opponent Gilbert Burns. I think this is going to be a very close fight between both of these fighters. I honestly do not think that, even though Khamzat is very confident about his ground game, he is still not going to try to wrestle for a long time with Gilbert Burns. Because as you said Burns can submit anyone. We have seen Khamzat get tagged before. So we know that can happen. He is a good fighter but not invincible.
I don't know about that, I mean Burns is pretty well rounded. He pretty much knocked out Chimaev for a split second the last fight. Chimaev literally face planted the floor, and I actually think Burns won that fight. However, I can see why they gave the fight to Chimaev. Although, I definitely do disagree I think Burns is more well rounded than Chimaev. Burns is a black belt in BJJ, and is one of the most dangerous with his submissions. Burns had the better of Chimaev on the feet for me personally. I'm not going to say that Burns wins this, I will say that it's probably one of the hardest fights Chimaev will have, simply because Burns actually has a presence on the ground, where as a lot of other fighters don't have that same threat. It'll be a good fight regardless of who wins, and I'm glad they're doing the rematch. And so Dana found someone who can potentially beat Khamzat. You can look at this as the first fight between Usman and Edwards that end up in a decision. That 1st Usman vs Edwards fight put Usman already in a bad position even when he took down Edwards. It took several years before Dana pull Edwards back to have a rematch and indeed, Edwards can defeat Usman. If Dana wants Khamzat to be defeated one day, he will put back Burns. Unfortunately, Burns is already 36. I think Burns and Khamzat are not at the same path yet, my thinking is that Khamzat is one fight away from title shot. And for Burns he would need 1-2 wins to get there. UFC like storylines and I think they plan to make Khamzat champ and then pair him up with Burns since that would be good payday for them.
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I do think fighters need to sell themselves though, they don't have to act like clowns or even like Conor, but bring some personality into it otherwise people tend to not follow you. My favourite fighters all have a bit of personality about them, and I don't think they act like clowns. Sometimes, Izzy can overstep the fact for sure, but generally if you listen to him he's quite level headed, and has some insightful conversations.
Fighters are going to promote themselves best with their performance in octagon, and problem start when they think a lot about performance outside octagon. I think this is the case with Adesanya now, he is spending a lot of time working on costumes, music and show before fight starts, maybe that is the problem in his recent fights. My favorite fighters are humble, they have personality but they are not trying to always act and pretend they are something different.
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Yeah, Burns is getting on, but he legitimately has a chance at the title, and I'd love to see him get it. Seems like a good guy outside the cage, and he's entertaining regardless of what happens. Definitely, has some of the best submissions inside the UFC, but can also bang as we saw against Chimaev. Remember, everyone was expecting Chimaev to go in there, and wipe the floor with Burns like every single other fight, but it turned out to be a real slog, and Chimaev was the one to get hurt the most. That face plant, I can still visualise perfectly ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . # I just want Burns to have another shot, and get that title.
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Several hours ago I have finished watching latest interview with Chimaev, and he has told that he could go fight Burns on the ground and win him. He has said that his wrestling and grappling is better than Burns. But, he has told/bet with his brother that he will rip Burns head off. So he was after KO in that fight. That is why his coach was angry on him, because they thought Burns was more dangerous standing, than on the ground ( https://youtu.be/hRXML6AQgmw?t=1112 just turn on English subs if you want to watch it). Maybe he is just showing off or as usual, feels like a invincible. Chimaev was offered to fight Whittaker. But he did not want to fight in Australia, because of visa problems (dont know if this is a big issue for fighters). Instead he has offered to fight in the US, Vegas, while he has valid visa till April. Whittaker refuses that offer. Or Chimaev was always ready to fight in UAE. Surely Khamzat Chimaev will win when they fought on the ground and they are saying that it is their game plan all along, but as I have said that he will surely struggle with Gilbert Burns, because of his physique, and surely that, given Burns a beating while standing but I have watched that fight because I want to see if Chimaev can really submit Gilbert Burns on the ground but I didn't expect he will go toe to toe against him, throwing their plan to the window, Robert Whittaker is aware of the dominant ground game of Khamzat Chimaev, and maybe he wants to try Khamzat for sure, but surely if he really wants to fight Chimaev, he needs to cut down or maybe Khamzat Chimaev can gain weight for their fight, Khamzat is actually going to be the one to win in this fight. He is more of an all rounded Fighter compared to his opponent Gilbert Burns. I think this is going to be a very close fight between both of these fighters. I honestly do not think that, even though Khamzat is very confident about his ground game, he is still not going to try to wrestle for a long time with Gilbert Burns. Because as you said Burns can submit anyone. We have seen Khamzat get tagged before. So we know that can happen. He is a good fighter but not invincible.
Actually, they already fight and if a rematch could take place Khamzat Chimaev will still win it, Gilbert Burns doesn't really stand a chance against Khamzat Chimaev the coach of Chimaev have said to take Burns to the ground because he has suggested that Burns go to be hard to fight toe to toe with him and it was, but on their rematch, I want to see Khamzat Chimaev try to take Gilbert Burns to the ground if what could really happen,
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Several hours ago I have finished watching latest interview with Chimaev, and he has told that he could go fight Burns on the ground and win him. He has said that his wrestling and grappling is better than Burns. But, he has told/bet with his brother that he will rip Burns head off. So he was after KO in that fight. That is why his coach was angry on him, because they thought Burns was more dangerous standing, than on the ground ( https://youtu.be/hRXML6AQgmw?t=1112 just turn on English subs if you want to watch it). Maybe he is just showing off or as usual, feels like a invincible. Chimaev was offered to fight Whittaker. But he did not want to fight in Australia, because of visa problems (dont know if this is a big issue for fighters). Instead he has offered to fight in the US, Vegas, while he has valid visa till April. Whittaker refuses that offer. Or Chimaev was always ready to fight in UAE. Surely Khamzat Chimaev will win when they fought on the ground and they are saying that it is their game plan all along, but as I have said that he will surely struggle with Gilbert Burns, because of his physique, and surely that, given Burns a beating while standing but I have watched that fight because I want to see if Chimaev can really submit Gilbert Burns on the ground but I didn't expect he will go toe to toe against him, throwing their plan to the window, Robert Whittaker is aware of the dominant ground game of Khamzat Chimaev, and maybe he wants to try Khamzat for sure, but surely if he really wants to fight Chimaev, he needs to cut down or maybe Khamzat Chimaev can gain weight for their fight, I think UFC should add a clause of "having minimum wrestling or grappling skills of black belt" in contract when they sign fighters. Wrestling gives to much advantage in the fight. Otherwise the sports turns from mix martial arts into "try to beat wrestler with your other fighting style". From the interview I have also found out that Colby Covington was offered 4 times to fight Chimaev, and he had refused all offers. Chimaev dreams to have UFC tournament in Sweden, in his second home. He said that UFC had only 1 tournament in Sweden, he wants it back. Remember when he announced his retirement? It turned out he has covid-19, but one of the doctors gave him false diagnose - lung cancer. Because Chimaev was coughing with blood and on xray there were some strange black dots. Switching to different doctor helped. Remember his fight against Li Jingliang? How dominant he was, how he put Li up and went to Danas side of the octagon ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) ? Before that fight he had only 1 month of training, after a year of being sick. He said he was in a rush in that fight, because he was loosing stamina quick. Several months before the fight, he had dyspnea even after passing several floors.
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Actually, they already fight and if a rematch could take place Khamzat Chimaev will still win it, Gilbert Burns doesn't really stand a chance against Khamzat Chimaev the coach of Chimaev have said to take Burns to the ground because he has suggested that Burns go to be hard to fight toe to toe with him and it was, but on their rematch, I want to see Khamzat Chimaev try to take Gilbert Burns to the ground if what could really happen,
Burns is like what one of the best submission artists in the UFC, and he's probably more rounded than Chimaev himself. I wouldn't be so confident that Chimaev would win the rematch. I think it needs to happen, just because that first fight was so close. Burns throwing up submissions attempts while Chimaev has him stacked, then Chimaev doesn't even go back to the ground. You can call it ego if you want, but early in that fight you could see that he was trying to get Burns on the mat. That's is until he found out it wasn't going to be easy. Then, they go to the stand up, and Burns drops him nearly knocking him out. I honestly, had Burns up in that fight, and I think a lot of other people would've too. I'm not saying it was a robbery because it was a close fight, and obviously I'm not saying that Chimaev isn't the better fighter, since it was a close fight. I just don't like how underestimated Burns is. He legitimately could be the champion.
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So the press conference happened earlier and it looks to me like Makhachev is playing mind games by saying that he wants to KO Volk... Not happening. It's gonna be via submission and if anything I feel like it's gonna be a rear naked choke. Dunno... I'm just talking out of my ass rn as somehow a rear naked choke popped in my head just now. UFC 284: Pre Fight Press Conferencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_MfxTdFj0Live weigh ins will be a few hours later. I hope to see everybody having a good weight cut so in turn we have a good event. GL to all your bets! UFC 284: Live Weigh In Showhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MagR6zyYtA
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